Mcgahee

[raven43]

Ok Mcgahee has been playing poorly like all season and we already knew that he can't run or cathc or hold on theo the ball this season but did anyone see him miss that blcok on Lawrence Timmons last night? Timmons just ran by him, sacked Flacco and pushed us out of field goal range. Mcgahee screwed up agian. lets just just trtade him

[Ravens52]

It would have still been a really long field goal about 50 yards of such.

It would have helped big time, but I'm just trying to ease the blame.

[ravensfan160]

Don't forget another dropped pass that would have been a first down. I really thought he'd come through for us as some point. The season's not over yet but I'm feeling less and less confident he will.

[PuRock]

Usually I don't like turning on a player. But we are paying this guy star money to make the big plays. He isn't making those plays at all this season. He had one great game. But even in that game I think he turned the ball over.

McGahee is a big dissapointment, and I hope he can rebound. I support him as long as he is a Raven. But he HAS to step up!

[ChiseBack(CB)]

I used to laugh at Bills fans when they said we were picking up their trash, now not so much. I just hope McGahee rebounds, I think he's just banged up.

[Canes21]

i know mcclain did a good job running the ball last night but he did drop that easy pass that would have given us a first down inside the 10 yard line after the reed fumble recovery.

[bce086]

Did you guys notice McGahee wearing his UMiami jersey under the Ravens jersey?

At least he knows he is under performing and trying to get some good luck back on his side...

[neepo13]

McGahee is the worse running back on this team right now. And he would be the one that we will have the hardest time trying to get rid of. If he's so hurt, he needs to find himself on IR, with our other underperforming superstar.

[Marc2k6]

Right now you are all getting on my last nerve with all of the crying! McGahee did this and McGahee didn't do that. You are too focused on everything negative that you do not see any thing positive. He missed a block, he dropped the ball, yup he sure did. I also remember him recovering a fumble for Flacco and there were a few passes he dropped, but one pass was not even close to being a good pass. While you are playing the blame game, why don't you blame him for the interception thrown and the pop warner play calling while you are at it.

[52Kia Kaha92]

yeah last nigth there where a few runs where willis ran really hard and picked up 5-6 yards, there where others where the d-line got penetration so willis could not get yards, yeah he missed a block but if we traded him it would cost us 11 mil against the cap next year plus the extra players cap that replces him, wouldny you rather keep him to be a backup, learn the playbook, get in better shape and only pay 3 mil, i would rather keep him and 11 mil is a lot so id keep him, he is getting better, next year we should see the real willis

[RAVENOUS]

I think McGahee will get better with playing time. sure, he missed blocks, but the game before, he missed much more than that which led to a fumble. This game was a little better, he was gaining yards, getting "his feet wet" again imo. He should be ready for the postseason when it comes.

[SafteyLegend]

i think

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='106365' date='Dec 15 2008, 06:13 PM']Right now you are all getting on my last nerve with all of the crying! McGahee did this and McGahee didn't do that. You are too focused on everything negative that you do not see any thing positive. He missed a block, he dropped the ball, yup he sure did. I also remember him recovering a fumble for Flacco and there were a few passes he dropped, but one pass was not even close to being a good pass. While you are playing the blame game, why don't you blame him for the interception thrown and the pop warner play calling while you are at it. [/quote]

There wouldnt have been a fumble had he not wiffed on the block. The guy who sacked Flacco went to him free because McGahee didnt pick him up. Whoopy-doo, he partially made up for his mistake.

[dan21236]

Stats on McGahee do not lie. Plan and simple. Whether you like him or not, he is not doing what the Ravens are paying him for. We missed Ray Rice yesterday.

[bossman419]

[quote name='bce086' post='106070' date='Dec 15 2008, 11:35 AM']Did you guys notice McGahee wearing his UMiami jersey under the Ravens jersey?

At least he knows he is under performing and trying to get some good luck back on his side...[/quote]
yeah his pads are lined with green and orange

[Revolution]

Time to unload this guy.

[macbrak]

We would take a huge cap hit if we get rid of McGahee. He's not going anywhere.

[3Zach21]

[quote name='macbrak' post='106546' date='Dec 15 2008, 09:43 PM']We would take a huge cap hit if we get rid of McGahee. He's not going anywhere.[/quote]

I agree, we should keep Mcgahee on our team, and as our starter for a couple years. It will give Rice and Mcclain to develop more, and we still have a solid RB as our starter. This is just an injury prone season for McGahee.

[H8R]

We must keep McGahee for next year, his value is basically nothing. WE WILL NOT just release him, it's too much of a salary hit. If he comes out decent next year and we still decide to part ways after the season he will have more value or atleast one less year of obligations.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='Revolution' post='106545' date='Dec 15 2008, 09:40 PM']Time to unload this guy.[/quote]

did you not read my post lol

[WhackoForFlacco]

[quote name='H8R' post='106558' date='Dec 15 2008, 10:08 PM']We must keep McGahee for next year, his value is basically nothing. WE WILL NOT just release him, it's too much of a salary hit. If he comes out decent next year and we still decide to part ways after the season he will have more value or atleast one less year of obligations.[/quote]Release or trade -- it makes no difference on the cap hit: 11.25 MILLION either way. He's here for at least one more year, but I would NOT put him in as the number one anything. I'd only keep him as a reserve/back up RB because he's got us over an 11.25 million dollar barrel.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='106565' date='Dec 15 2008, 10:16 PM']Whoopy-F@#!ing doo I guess he threw all the int's too![/quote]

The first interception was off a pass deflection and Pitt didnt get any points off it. The second one came when the game was pretty much over. However, the fumble that was basically McGahee's fault knocked us out of field goal range.

[BringingtheBlitz]

[quote name='neepo13' post='106589' date='Dec 16 2008, 12:05 AM']However, the fumble that was basically McGahee's fault knocked us out of field goal range.[/quote]

Last time I checked, 13 is still greater than 12. Even if you tack on a field goal to our score, we still lose. We would not have pinned them back at their 8 yard line off a kickoff. Yeah McGahee obviously blew the block that was his responsibility, but adding a field goal to our score would not have necessarily changed anything. He is not going to go anywhere, he has had an injury riddled year, and he has admitted that he is disappointed in his own performance. Sure, he missed two passes that went his way during the game, but any time a player has a subpar year I cannot justify so many people crying "Get rid of the bum," especially after he made the Pro Bowl last year (yes I know he was an alternate). It is also worth pointing out that several of the passes thrown in his direction, were thrown poorly and either behind or high.

He had an excellent year for us last year, and frankly we needed him to have that kind of year for us to be as competitive as we were. Fortunately, this year we are in a situation with a more developed McClain and an emerging Rice, not to mention one of the NFL's best ever fullbacks in Lorenzo Neal, where we do not need Willis to have another stellar year. We have fallen more in line with the committee back system that so many other teams use, so losing one player is not going to hurt us drastically. Yes, I would like him to performing at a higher level, and perhaps he will help carry our team into the playoffs these last two weeks for all we know. One must look at the complete body of work once the season is over in order to make a fair analysis. With Rice recovering from his injury, Willis gives us more of a big play potential catching passes out of the backfield than McClain does.

I hope he is beginning to turn the corner from his recent funk, as I personally will take any spark we can get in our offense. I want to see us regain our place among the top 5 teams running the football this season, as we dropped to 6th after our performance against the Steelers. The Ravens' identity has always been to play physical football both on offense and defense, and Willis proved himself last year as being more than capable of living up to that identity. Let us not be so quick to cast him aside, especially when it is obvious he still has quite some time left with the team. Stop acting like the Eagles fans that want to kick McNabb to the curb any time he has a lackluster performance, only to willing love him when he has an outstanding game. We are better than that.

For the record, this also applies to people calling for Rolle "The Hole" to be removed from our roster in the offseason as well. He and Fabian did a great job the entire game Sunday, do not blame him for the defensive plays that were called and their results.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='neepo13' post='106589' date='Dec 16 2008, 12:05 AM']The first interception was off a pass deflection and Pitt didnt get any points off it. The second one came when the game was pretty much over. However, the fumble that was basically McGahee's fault knocked us out of field goal range.[/quote]
You are so right!

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='BringingtheBlitz' post='106603' date='Dec 16 2008, 01:46 AM'][b]Last time I checked, 13 is still greater than 12. Even if you tack on a field goal to our score, we still lose. [/b] We would not have pinned them back at their 8 yard line off a kickoff. Yeah McGahee obviously blew the block that was his responsibility, but adding a field goal to our score would not have necessarily changed anything. He is not going to go anywhere, he has had an injury riddled year, and he has admitted that he is disappointed in his own performance. Sure, he missed two passes that went his way during the game, but any time a player has a subpar year I cannot justify so many people crying "Get rid of the bum," especially after he made the Pro Bowl last year (yes I know he was an alternate). It is also worth pointing out that several of the passes thrown in his direction, were thrown poorly and either behind or high.

He had an excellent year for us last year, and frankly we needed him to have that kind of year for us to be as competitive as we were. Fortunately, this year we are in a situation with a more developed McClain and an emerging Rice, not to mention one of the NFL's best ever fullbacks in Lorenzo Neal, where we do not need Willis to have another stellar year. We have fallen more in line with the committee back system that so many other teams use, so losing one player is not going to hurt us drastically. Yes, I would like him to performing at a higher level, and perhaps he will help carry our team into the playoffs these last two weeks for all we know. One must look at the complete body of work once the season is over in order to make a fair analysis. With Rice recovering from his injury, Willis gives us more of a big play potential catching passes out of the backfield than McClain does.

I hope he is beginning to turn the corner from his recent funk, as I personally will take any spark we can get in our offense. I want to see us regain our place among the top 5 teams running the football this season, as we dropped to 6th after our performance against the Steelers. The Ravens' identity has always been to play physical football both on offense and defense, and Willis proved himself last year as being more than capable of living up to that identity. Let us not be so quick to cast him aside, especially when it is obvious he still has quite some time left with the team. Stop acting like the Eagles fans that want to kick McNabb to the curb any time he has a lackluster performance, only to willing love him when he has an outstanding game. We are better than that.

For the record, this also applies to people calling for Rolle "The Hole" to be removed from our roster in the offseason as well. He and Fabian did a great job the entire game Sunday, do not blame him for the defensive plays that were called and their results.[/quote]
You are right on that but what you're forgetting is we could have gotten into field goal range on our last drive. Because of the personal foul penalty we started the drive near midfield. It's vastly different when the defense knows you need a touchdown as opposed to a field goal.

[dan21236]

maybe we can convert him to a cornerback ?

[justifythegame]

[quote name='raven43' post='105944' date='Dec 15 2008, 08:52 AM']Ok Mcgahee has been playing poorly like all season and we already knew that he can't run or cathc or hold on theo the ball this season but did anyone see him miss that blcok on Lawrence Timmons last night? Timmons just ran by him, sacked Flacco and pushed us out of field goal range. Mcgahee screwed up agian. lets just just trtade him[/quote]
McGahee has missed some blocks, but he also makes great blocks a lot of the time. In fact i've never seen a RB on the ravens make as many great blocks as McGahee has, and i notice these things because i love watching OLs play. McGahee sucks this year with running the ball, but when we are going to pass and need a RB to block, i wouldn't hesitate when selecting McGahee. The guy is injury plagued right now and just completely out of shape and can't run the ball, but if he works hard in the offseason he should perform better than his first year with the ravens (because he was out of shape then too). And his job and future with the team is on the line so i think McGahee will uncharecteristically put in a lot of work and go on a football diet to get into shape this offseason. I just think you have to give the guy a chance to recover and a healthy offseason to get in shape before you give up on him. People thought he would never play from the first knee injury and he showed up to play right after surgery on the same knee again.

BTW, all of the big runs and good games mcgahee had this year, he had when Lorenzo Neal came in to play fullback. LeRon McClain is a good runner but his blocking ability has decreased since he lost all that weight to become an HB and most of McGahee's runs come from McClain at FB and and most of McClain's runs come from Lorenzo Neal at FB. So McClain has an unfair advantage. All i know is that Neal is the best FB in the league, look at LT now.

[BringingtheBlitz]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='106648' date='Dec 16 2008, 09:18 AM']You are right on that but what you're forgetting is we could have gotten into field goal range on our last drive. Because of the personal foul penalty we started the drive near midfield. It's vastly different when the defense knows you need a touchdown as opposed to a field goal.[/quote]

The personal foul penalty came after they scored a TD, you are assuming that Reed would still committ the foul if they only had the lead by 1 point. You cannot assume that the foul would still happen if we had kicked a field goal. Furthermore, we would have had less time on the clock to get into field goal range at the end of the game if we had kicked the field goal successfully. Would our chances have been greater of coming back if we were down 13-12 instead of 13-9? Sure. But once you start talking about hypothetical situations, the rest of the game that happened after that point cannot be assumed to play out as it did.

Also, I am pretty sure that McClain did not lose much if any weight this year in order to run the ball more this year. He is still at 260 which is 5 lbs. heavier than Lorenzo is listed as playing this year. I also do not believe that McGahee is not in football shape at this point in the year. I would agree that he wasn't earlier in the year, but he is now.

[SafteyLegend]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='106670' date='Dec 16 2008, 11:21 AM']BTW, all of the big runs and good games mcgahee had this year, he had when Lorenzo Neal came in to play fullback. LeRon McClain is a good runner but his blocking ability has decreased since he lost all that weight to become an HB and most of McGahee's runs come from McClain at FB and and most of McClain's runs come from Lorenzo Neal at FB. So McClain has an unfair advantage. All i know is that Neal is the best FB in the league, look at LT now.[/quote]



you are so damn right!

[neepo13]

[quote name='BringingtheBlitz' post='106603' date='Dec 16 2008, 01:46 AM'][b]Last time I checked, 13 is still greater than 12. Even if you tack on a field goal to our score, we still lose.[/b] We would not have pinned them back at their 8 yard line off a kickoff. Yeah McGahee obviously blew the block that was his responsibility, but adding a field goal to our score would not have necessarily changed anything. He is not going to go anywhere, he has had an injury riddled year, and he has admitted that he is disappointed in his own performance. Sure, he missed two passes that went his way during the game, but any time a player has a subpar year I cannot justify so many people crying "Get rid of the bum," especially after he made the Pro Bowl last year (yes I know he was an alternate). It is also worth pointing out that several of the passes thrown in his direction, were thrown poorly and either behind or high.
He had an excellent year for us last year, and frankly we needed him to have that kind of year for us to be as competitive as we were. Fortunately, this year we are in a situation with a more developed McClain and an emerging Rice, not to mention one of the NFL's best ever fullbacks in Lorenzo Neal, where we do not need Willis to have another stellar year. We have fallen more in line with the committee back system that so many other teams use, so losing one player is not going to hurt us drastically. Yes, I would like him to performing at a higher level, and perhaps he will help carry our team into the playoffs these last two weeks for all we know. One must look at the complete body of work once the season is over in order to make a fair analysis. With Rice recovering from his injury, Willis gives us more of a big play potential catching passes out of the backfield than McClain does.

I hope he is beginning to turn the corner from his recent funk, as I personally will take any spark we can get in our offense. I want to see us regain our place among the top 5 teams running the football this season, as we dropped to 6th after our performance against the Steelers. The Ravens' identity has always been to play physical football both on offense and defense, and Willis proved himself last year as being more than capable of living up to that identity. Let us not be so quick to cast him aside, especially when it is obvious he still has quite some time left with the team. Stop acting like the Eagles fans that want to kick McNabb to the curb any time he has a lackluster performance, only to willing love him when he has an outstanding game. We are better than that.

For the record, this also applies to people calling for Rolle "The Hole" to be removed from our roster in the offseason as well. He and Fabian did a great job the entire game Sunday, do not blame him for the defensive plays that were called and their results.[/quote]

Yes but at least at that point a field goal wins the game. So, you dont have Flacco taking shots at the endzone almost every play. And even after Pitt scored, before Flacco threw the pick we were in long field goal range. By not tacking on that extra field goal we HAD to score a TD, if we would have had that extra field goal, a field goal wins us the game.