Is Flacco FINALLY gaining respect from the media? This is weird

[52520Andrew]

We were talking about the Falcons at that point.

 

Gotcha, that was the 2011 playoffs then and I agree, it was bad

[berad]

Some of those re-drafts are just straight up terrible - I'll post some examples later - but I think Flacco earned himself a ton of credit with his 2012 playoff run and resulting championship.

[allblackraven]

Joe and Kubiak are both coming off horrible seasons in their respective carreers, but I am excited over this coaching staff hire. People around here, myself included, always thought that Cam overstayed his welcome past Flacco's 4th season. With Kubiak new system in place, the last remnants of Cam's influence on the offense are gone. That's probably the biggest difference for Joe this season. Joe has been put in the best possible position to succeed, imho. So, as a Flacco believer, I do think he will finally gain that consistency that we've been hoping to see from him for so long.

What gives me additional hope is the hire of three position coaches in Dennison, Pariani and Engram. Proper passing game coaching has been long overdue. That and the player who will be snapping the ball on Flacco's call, not on Yanda's butt-tap.

[berad]

Some of those re-drafts are just straight up terrible - I'll post some examples later - but I think Flacco earned himself a ton of credit with his 2012 playoff run and resulting championship.

 

Quoting myself:

 

Daniel Jeremiah 2003 Re-Draft - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333940/article/2003-nfl-draft-doover-new-orleans-saints-pick-troy-polamalu

 

Not too much wrong with this although he kept Palmer as the top pick, had Ty Warren over better players, and kept Rex Grossman as a 1st rounder.

 

Bucky Brooks' 2004 Re-Draft - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000335484/article/2004-nfl-draft-doover-oakland-raiders-get-ben-roethlisberger

 

Kellen Winslow Jr. 6th overall (again) *His top 6 picks were all "same"

 

DeAngelo Hall 8th overall (above Jared Allen)

 

Tommie Harris 14th overall

 

Bucky Brooks' 2005 Re-Draft - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000337191/article/2005-nfl-draft-doover-san-francisco-49ers-get-aaron-rodgers

 

Marion Barber 5th overall

 

Shawn Merriman 9th overall

 

Cedric Benson 22nd overall (where the Ravens drafted, and above Logan Mankins)

 

Those are pretty terrible, along with some others. The point of the re-drafts is that you have hindsight on your side, not to make questionable decisions after you see what will happen.

[RobFuseRaven]

I think every year at some point the media gives Flacco some respect, only for the small moment to be destroyed weeks later. I don't really pay much attention to them. They migrate to whatever story will get them paid. I'd rather pay attention to local guys like Ryan Mink. Don't really care what the NFL and ESPN guys think.

[Militant X 1]

Flacco will never get respect and thats just how it is. After he carried us through the playoffs with our 20(or so) best defense it was "hurr durr Good Job Ray Lewis" 

 

That should go without saying here!  After all, the man has only been the face of the Baltimore Ravens franchise and the sole "original" Raven for nearly 18 years.  However, I believe that Flacco himself even said that he was not only happy to win it for himself but also for Ray Lewis.  There is no divide here!  We all saw what Flacco did throughout the playoffs and in the SB.

 

#Mili

[ThePurpleWall]

Dogs and cats living together! !!

 

ironically yes I have cats and a dog that live together and have no issues

[atljbo]

No - they still refuse to admit that "Matty Ice" was gift-wrapped Roddy White and Tony Gonzales, and his team spent two first round picks on Julio Jones, while Joe waited 4 years for them to draft Torrey, and we got lucky that the 4th round tight end we drafted turned out be as good as he is, and we also waited years on Boldin just so we could get his price down.  Not to mention the difference in OCs.  Just once I would like one of these analysts to say something about the difference in personnel the two have had over the years.  Just once.

 

Not to mention, they conveniently neglect the fact that Matt Ryan struggles every time he plays the caliber of defense Joe plays against on practically a weekly basis.

 

 

Come on... This year Matt Ryan made freakin harry douglas a 1000 yard WR this year... Harry Douglas....  Because our top 2 WR's was hurt must of the year ... Boldin was 1000 yard WR for Kaeppy this year ... Hit and sacked top 3 in the league .. Still hade over 4500 yards and 26 TDs... He had the worst run game in the league and one of the worst D's in the league last year.... Last in pass rush

 

 

 

I just dont get this beef yall still have for Matt Ryan ... Its ok to say both is good for god sakes

[display name]

Come on... This year Matt Ryan made freakin harry douglas a 1000 yard WR this year... Harry Douglas....  Because our top 2 WR's was hurt must of the year ... Boldin was 1000 yard WR for Kaeppy this year ... Hit and sacked top 3 in the league .. Still hade over 4500 yards and 26 TDs... He had the worst run game in the league and one of the worst D's in the league last year.... Last in pass rush

 

 

 

I just dont get this beef yall still have for Matt Ryan ... Its ok to say both is good for god sakes

I would agree that Ryan is the better QB overall. And I would also agree with those who say they don't care about Flacco getting respect from the media. Flacco has also said several times that he doesn't.

[The Mom Gene]

Some of those re-drafts are just straight up terrible - I'll post some examples later - but I think Flacco earned himself a ton of credit with his 2012 playoff run and resulting championship.

Absolutely Berad...

[The Mom Gene]

I would agree that Ryan is the better QB overall. And I would also agree with those who say they don't care about Flacco getting respect from the media. Flacco has also said several times that he doesn't.

I'm not sure that Ryan is the better QB.  He's had a much better supporting cast than Joe.  And like so many others that everyone compares Joe to...  He can't get over that hump either.

[display name]

I'm not sure that Ryan is the better QB.  He's had a much better supporting cast than Joe.  And like so many others that everyone compares Joe to...  He can't get over that hump either.

You win Super Bowls as a team, not as a single player.

[ratedr]

I don't think Ryan is a better QB but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend he isn't a quality QB in his own right either.

As for the original topic, most of the media seems to acknowledge that Flacco wasn't the main reason for our issues last year. It's mostly dumb fans from opposing teams who say those things.

[The Mom Gene]

You win Super Bowls as a team, not as a single player.

Correct, but you need the key players to do it...  Ryan has had Roddy White, Julio Jones, Gonzales, Turner.  Better receivers and TE's, etc.  Better players give you more completions, and better stats...  Let alone you win more games.  And, if you look at last year, Joe had no Bolden, no Pitta, and no Jacoby.  He had Drop'em Dixon, Old Stokely, Old Dallas Clark... and no time...  The only steady he had was Torrey.  Compare that to 2012???       

[SecretAgentMan]

Come on... This year Matt Ryan made freakin harry douglas a 1000 yard WR this year... Harry Douglas....  Because our top 2 WR's was hurt must of the year ... Boldin was 1000 yard WR for Kaeppy this year ... Hit and sacked top 3 in the league .. Still hade over 4500 yards and 26 TDs... He had the worst run game in the league and one of the worst D's in the league last year.... Last in pass rush

 

 

 

I just dont get this beef yall still have for Matt Ryan ... Its ok to say both is good for god sakes

Oh, I just hate him bc of the constant comparisons to Flacco.

 

He's good enough to be a QB to win a SB but your team needs DEPTH.. Lots of it my friend. 

Same goes for Romo. 

Same goes for Cutler

Same goes for most of the QBs with the massive contracts who haven't gotten there yet

[SecretAgentMan]

Correct, but you need the key players to do it...  Ryan has had Roddy White, Julio Jones, Gonzales, Turner.  Better receivers and TE's, etc.  Better players give you more completions, and better stats...  Let alone you win more games.  And, if you look at last year, Joe had no Bolden, no Pitta, and no Jacoby.  He had Drop'em Dixon, Old Stokely, Old Dallas Clark... and no time...  The only steady he had was Torrey.  Compare that to 2012???       

2012 the Falcons were only a play from getting to the SB. Ryan still couldn't do it.

 

Flacco > Ryan. Flacco may have failed to get to the postseason, but never under him have we picked in the top 10.

[display name]

Correct, but you need the key players to do it...  Ryan has had Roddy White, Julio Jones, Gonzales, Turner.  Better receivers and TE's, etc.  Better players give you more completions, and better stats...  Let alone you win more games.  And, if you look at last year, Joe had no Bolden, no Pitta, and no Jacoby.  He had Drop'em Dixon, Old Stokely, Old Dallas Clark... and no time...  The only steady he had was Torrey.  Compare that to 2012???       

I also agree that Ryan has more talent around him, but you should be judged by how well you play, regardless of who is around you. I agree that Flacco's poor 2013 season can partially be attributed to his surroundings, but a look at their stats will tell you who is better. It's not by much though.

[ravensnick]

I also agree that Ryan has more talent around him, but you should be judged by how well you play, regardless of who is around you. I agree that Flacco's poor 2013 season can partially be attributed to his surroundings, but a look at their stats will tell you who is better. It's not by much though.

I would bet you if I gave Flacco Jones/White/Douglass (who is better than any ravens WR last year except Torrey) and Tony Gonzales, Flacco would have multiple 5,000 passing seasons and multiple rings. The sad fact is Ryan had (before Gonzales' retirement) one of the best receiving corps of all time, yet he hasn't won more than 1 play off game. Give Ryan Flaccos's receivers (Torrey, Marlon, Jacoby, Pitta, Dickson), and Ryan would have a sub .500 record every season.  

[Inqui]

I would bet you if I gave Flacco Jones/White/Douglass (who is better than any ravens WR last year except Torrey) and Tony Gonzales, Flacco would have multiple 5,000 passing seasons and multiple rings. The sad fact is Ryan had (before Gonzales' retirement) one of the best receiving corps of all time, yet he hasn't won more than 1 play off game. Give Ryan Flaccos's receivers (Torrey, Marlon, Jacoby, Pitta, Dickson), and Ryan would have a sub .500 record every season.  

To be fair, you could swap out "recievers" for "rushing attack and defence" and switch Flacco and Ryan around to make the same (opposite?) argument.

 

For what it's worth, I think they're both in the tier of franchise QBs that could be up there with Drew Brees or even Tom Brady given the right circumstances. I'm also dubious of QB stats since they tend to standardise QBs and don't take mch into account aside from what they're measuring.

[atljbo]

Correct, but you need the key players to do it...  Ryan has had Roddy White, Julio Jones, Gonzales, Turner.  Better receivers and TE's, etc.  Better players give you more completions, and better stats...  Let alone you win more games.  And, if you look at last year, Joe had no Bolden, no Pitta, and no Jacoby.  He had Drop'em Dixon, Old Stokely, Old Dallas Clark... and no time...  The only steady he had was Torrey.  Compare that to 2012???       

 

 

Did you see Ryan Last year... Julio played the first 5 games... and Roddy played the last 5 games (he admiited he was a pure decoy .. He couldnt run before the last 5 games) ... Again.... Harru Douglas had a 1000 yard year.... Harry freakin douglas... Im not trying to act like he is a scrub but Torry Smith is light years better.

 

 

Im not comparing  Ryan and Flacco ... Im just saying ... Ryan put up stats with Harry Douglas as our number 1 WR when Julio got injured after the 5th game...

 

 

Im just saying .. Give Ryan some props.... Our bad year had zero to do with him... Please watch the 49ers game... I can name u 6 or more games where we had the lead with 2 mins to go and our D gave up the league in the last seconds or plays where Ryan made the play for us to win but Harry Douhlas happned (the 49ers game and more) or steven jackson dropping a bunny TD pass to beat the saints.... Or our center botch snapping the ball while ryan is calling the play vs the panthers (the game he was sacked 9 times and we was still in position to win the game in the last seconds before that botched snap)

 

 

My point is .. Just give both QBs there Due man ... I think Ryan is better but Joe is a good QB... I wont knock him

 

Not trying to start a Ryan vs Flacco thing.. We are far past that ... You guys have a superbowl tho.. I dont get this Matt Ryan thing ....

[ravensnick]

To be fair, you could swap out "recievers" for "rushing attack and defence" and switch Flacco and Ryan around to make the same (opposite?) argument.

 

For what it's worth, I think they're both in the tier of franchise QBs that could be up there with Drew Brees or even Tom Brady given the right circumstances. I'm also dubious of QB stats since they tend to standardise QBs and don't take mch into account aside from what they're measuring.

I have Ryan and Flacco as top ten, Flacco at 6, Ryan at 8. I don't think you can make that arguement becaus eof how good Ryan's rushing are. Until last year, he had the best WR duo and then Tony Gonzales to pass to and Harry Douglas is better than all but one of last years Ravens receivers. 

[atljbo]

I have Ryan and Flacco as top ten, Flacco at 6, Ryan at 8. I don't think you can make that arguement becaus eof how good Ryan's rushing are. Until last year, he had the best WR duo and then Tony Gonzales to pass to and Harry Douglas is better than all but one of last years Ravens receivers. 

 

 

I would take Marlon Brown over Harry Douglas.... If you watched our games.. you would agree..... Im not saying HD is bad..He is a solid slot guy ... im a falcon fan and will support our players... But if you was a falcon fan you would understand how impressed i am Ryan got HD to 1000 yards ...He is not a #1 or #2 guy ....The fact that he was our number one guy most games last year...

 

The end of that 49ers game...... Still get to me...That happen 3  times with him in that important moment last year.

 

 

I like Harry as a guy but he is a solid #3... I think Marlon Brown can be a #2 .... I liked him at GA but he had that injury

[Malkavian Raven]

Flacco the media darling? The world is now in complete disarray.....up is down, left is right, right is wrong....what is going on???

 

So... left is wrong?

[Cville-Raven]

 

 

The end of that 49ers game...... Still get to me...That happen 3  times with him in that important moment last year.

 

 

I like Harry as a guy but he is a solid #3... I think Marlon Brown can be a #2 .... I liked him at GA but he had that injury

Yeah Douglas completely shrank. Btw you're right about Marlon Brown, the guy is pretty good. 

[atljbo]

Yeah Douglas completely shrank. Btw you're right about Marlon Brown, the guy is pretty good. 

 

 

im a fan of Brown ..

[The Mom Gene]

So... left is wrong?

Its a figure of speech only...  nothing more.  don't read too much into it.

[Tank 92]

Did you see Ryan Last year... Julio played the first 5 games... and Roddy played the last 5 games (he admiited he was a pure decoy .. He couldnt run before the last 5 games) ... Again.... Harru Douglas had a 1000 yard year.... Harry freakin douglas... Im not trying to act like he is a scrub but Torry Smith is light years better.

 

 

Im not comparing  Ryan and Flacco ... Im just saying ... Ryan put up stats with Harry Douglas as our number 1 WR when Julio got injured after the 5th game...

 

 

Im just saying .. Give Ryan some props.... Our bad year had zero to do with him... Please watch the 49ers game... I can name u 6 or more games where we had the lead with 2 mins to go and our D gave up the league in the last seconds or plays where Ryan made the play for us to win but Harry Douhlas happned (the 49ers game and more) or steven jackson dropping a bunny TD pass to beat the saints.... Or our center botch snapping the ball while ryan is calling the play vs the panthers (the game he was sacked 9 times and we was still in position to win the game in the last seconds before that botched snap)

 

 

My point is .. Just give both QBs there Due man ... I think Ryan is better but Joe is a good QB... I wont knock him

 

Not trying to start a Ryan vs Flacco thing.. We are far past that ... You guys have a superbowl tho.. I dont get this Matt Ryan thing ....

 

 

 

No one can deny Ryan is a good QB. But just like Dalton, he lacks the "clutch gene" that separates the pack.

[atljbo]

No one can deny Ryan is a good QB. But just like Dalton, he lacks the "clutch gene" that separates the pack.

i disagree ... i cant point at things but its no point ... ill just agree to disagree

[flynismo]

i disagree ... i cant point at things but its no point ... ill just agree to disagree

I think he is referring to the postseason. During the regular season, he will usually come up in clutch time. Just looks like a different person in January

[The Mom Gene]

I think he is referring to the postseason. During the regular season, he will usually come up in clutch time. Just looks like a different person in January

And that's what most people were referring to...  same with Romo.   If Ryan cracks the playoff hump... then maybe I put him in that category, but he hasn't with some of the best weapons in the league... when and if he does, then c'est la vie'.