Is Flacco FINALLY gaining respect from the media? This is weird

[PolishRifle]

I think Flacco might finally come through this year and I think Kubiak will be really good for Flacco. I don't expect 5000 yards or anything crazy but I do expect 4,000 and 25 TDs. He has the talent around him now, now time to prove the doubters wrong.

 

Joe and Kubiak are both coming off horrible seasons in their respective carreers, but I am excited over this coaching staff hire. People around here, myself included, always thought that Cam overstayed his welcome past Flacco's 4th season. With Kubiak new system in place, the last remnants of Cam's influence on the offense are gone. That's probably the biggest difference for Joe this season. Joe has been put in the best possible position to succeed, imho. So, as a Flacco believer, I do think he will finally gain that consistency that we've been hoping to see from him for so long.

[ravensdfan]

Well if Flacco has good numbers this year then he will be 1/7 ........  I do not have the statistics handy but has Flacco ever been in the to 10 QB's statically speaking. Just in the top 30%??????? He has had GREAT defenses but that is it. What If Flacco had a middle of the road defense during his career ?    If he has not , why would you guys think that the media disrespects him?  BTW, the article/interview/commentary you guys are referencing is NOT that Joe is GREAT, ( they are not praising him because he had the most touchdowns or passing yards like Manning or Brady ) its more like giving Joe excuses for being in the bottom 20% of the QB's last year.  It amazing how 2 people can read the same thing and come out of it with 2 different conclusions.  BTW also  these were 2 football media types, that have this opinion,  out of hundreds  in this country.  its NOT the consensus of the football media......  whew  

 

No one can take what Joe did in the playoffs 2 years ago, but he was far from perfect and very fortunate on a lot of Jump balls........God bless Boulden.  a non existent FS in Denver and special teams in the SB. 

if you want to talk about a QB who has ridden the coat tails of a great defense - Big Ben comes to mind. Not to mention, a tainted SB win where the referees handed your team the victory, and even admitted their mistakes!

Might also remind you that your last SB appearance, was a loss.

 

Flacco may never put up gaudy regular season numbers. That hasn't been how this team was built nor how we played football. Until the Steelers went away from the run first mentality Ben didn't put up numbers either. In fact, Flacco still has a better post season record than Big Ben and a SB performance that Ben has yet to match.

 

Despite a horrid season due to poor O line play, injuries, etc Flacco finished # 11 in passing yards. In 2010, he finished 7th in QB rating.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah it was a dumb call. There were a lot of them in that game but it didn't matter 

very one-sided officiating and we still blew them out

[JoeyFlex5]

if you want to talk about a QB who has ridden the coat tails of a great defense - Big Ben comes to mind. Not to mention, a tainted SB win where the referees handed your team the victory, and even admitted their mistakes!

Might also remind you that your last SB appearance, was a loss.

 

Flacco may never put up gaudy regular season numbers. That hasn't been how this team was built nor how we played football. Until the Steelers went away from the run first mentality Ben didn't put up numbers either. In fact, Flacco still has a better post season record than Big Ben and a SB performance that Ben has yet to match.

 

Despite a horrid season due to poor O line play, injuries, etc Flacco finished # 11 in passing yards. In 2010, he finished 7th in QB rating.

steelers fans would call this nitpicking to give joe an edge over ben, but i would say this is an incredible explanation to explain why joe and ben are in the same league regardless of stats. i also don't even count the 05 super bowl as bens win, the 08 win you gotta give him credit for, and he didn't do what he needed to win his 3rd appearance, so i only count the 2nd and 3rd super bowl as a real measuring stick, so once joe gets to his 2nd super bowl, i think then you can accurately compare the two.

big ben in his 08-09 super bowl run, i still to this day claim to be maybe the most clutch postseason I've ever seen, and joes super bowl run ranks right up there with it, i would still take joe over ben any day though, because the best ability is reliability, and ben doesn't have that, while joe certainly does.

[52520Andrew]

Joe and Kubiak are both coming off horrible seasons in their respective carreers, but I am excited over this coaching staff hire. People around here, myself included, always thought that Cam overstayed his welcome past Flacco's 4th season. With Kubiak new system in place, the last remnants of Cam's influence on the offense are gone. That's probably the biggest difference for Joe this season. Joe has been put in the best possible position to succeed, imho. So, as a Flacco believer, I do think he will finally gain that consistency that we've been hoping to see from him for so long.

 

Yeah I think Kubiak will be a great hire for us.

 

 

very one-sided officiating and we still blew them out

 

Yeah thankfully we were able to destroy them

[Seseau]

Regardless,

 

We absolutely love Joe Flacco.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Dude, Flacco had a great defense? So what? You're a Steelers fan. What leg have you to stand on? What did Ben do to win his first SB? OH, right...

 

9/21 Cmp 123 Yrds 0 TD 2 INT

 

The only passing TD was thrown by Antwaan Randle El. Maybe he should have been the starting QB for the Steelers. How does it stack up to Flacco's first SB?

 

22/33 Cmp 287 Yrds 3 TD 0 INT (which is btw, still leagues better than Big Bens second SB performance)

 

As far as I can tell Flacco has won his team as many SBs as Roethlisberger...1.

 

Agree w/ this point.   

 

Far as I know, Ben had to be the one of the most atrocious QBs i've ever witnessed @ Superbowl.  His seahawks/cardinals game was a complete joke.   He did pretty good @ Packers game, but he didn't win that one.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I kinda find it funny that people say the defense is why Flacco was able to win when the defense ranked worse than the offense. I think the defense was like 17th and the offense was 16th

[flynismo]

Dude, Flacco had a great defense? So what? You're a Steelers fan. What leg have you to stand on? What did Ben do to win his first SB? OH, right...

9/21 Cmp 123 Yrds 0 TD 2 INT

The only passing TD was thrown by Antwaan Randle El. Maybe he should have been the starting QB for the Steelers. How does it stack up to Flacco's first SB?

22/33 Cmp 287 Yrds 3 TD 0 INT (which is btw, still leagues better than Big Bens second SB performance)

As far as I can tell Flacco has won his team as many SBs as Roethlisberger...1.

I wouldn't even give Ben that much credit. They won two SB with Ben, and neither time was he selected MVP.

[ratedr]

Truth be told, they were a non pass interference call away from playing the Ravens in the Superbowl.

I acknowledged they were close last year, but Hardbaugh said "multiple" SBs. Aside from last year they've been blown out, including a pathethic 24-2 performance against the Giants in 2012.

[ratedr]

Ben has been to three Super Bowls yet has managed to win MVPs in exactly ZERO of them. Lol.

[Hardbaugh]

Ben has been to three Super Bowls yet has managed to win MVPs in exactly ZERO of them. Lol.

 

Yet........

Ben has a 63.3 career completion Pct. something that Flacco hasn't reached even during one season.

Ben has two Super Bowl Rings, I only mention it because that's the first card some fans pull in comparisons between Flacco and quarterbacks that don't own one.

Ben has a  92.6 QB rating during his entire career and three 100 plus seasons. Flacco has one season with a better than 90 rating and that's 2010 with 93.6.

 

With Ben missing time with injury he has still passed the 4,000 yard mark. Flacco never has.

 

Ben has made Pro Bowls and been in the discussion for MVP during the year. Flacco never has.

 

Ben is a better QB than Flacco.

[ravensdfan]

Yet........

Ben has a 63.3 career completion Pct. something that Flacco hasn't reached even during one season.

Ben has two Super Bowl Rings, I only mention it because that's the first card some fans pull in comparisons between Flacco and quarterbacks that don't own one.

Ben has a  92.6 QB rating during his entire career and three 100 plus seasons. Flacco has one season with a better than 90 rating and that's 2010 with 93.6.

 

With Ben missing time with injury he has still passed the 4,000 yard mark. Flacco never has.

 

Ben has made Pro Bowls and been in the discussion for MVP during the year. Flacco never has.

 

Ben is a better QB than Flacco.

 

You're so cute!

 

And yet.....

 

Flacco has a SB MVP. Ben does not

Ben has 20 TDS to 17 INTs in the post season. Flacco has 19 TDS to 8 INTs.

Ben has a 10-4 post season record - Flacco has 9-4 record being in the league 4 less years.

Joe's post season rating is 86.5 compared to Ben's 83.7.

 

Most important - your QB is no good to you on the sidelines. Ben has only 2 seasons starting all 16 games. Flacco has never missed a game.

 

Regular season stats will win your fantasy league - the post season performance will win you SBs.

 

Ben's best SB performance of 93.2 doesn't come close to Joe's 124.2 rating.

 

Oh and proof you're just talking out the "other" end:

 

Flacco had completion percentages of 63.1 and 62.6 in 2009/2010. Wow so far away from 63.3. So you're entire "Joe hasn't seen that even in a season" is way overblown.

 

We've already addressed yards - Flacco would have surpassed that 4,000 mark had he not sat most of the Cincy game in 2012. So in four more seasons Ben has passed 4,000 yds twice. That would be his 6th season and his 8th. But I guess Joe was supposed to do it twice in his first five years.

[Gordo52]

^ owned.

[Hardbaugh]

You're so cute!

 

And yet.....

 

Flacco has a SB MVP. Ben does not

Ben has 20 TDS to 17 INTs in the post season. Flacco has 19 TDS to 8 INTs.

Ben has a 10-4 post season record - Flacco has 9-4 record being in the league 4 less years.

Joe's post season rating is 86.5 compared to Ben's 83.7.

 

 

 

Oh and proof you're just talking out the "other" end:

 

Flacco had completion percentages of 63.1 and 62.6 in 2009/2010. Wow so far away from 63.3. So you're entire "Joe hasn't seen that even in a season" is way overblown.

 

We've already addressed yards - Flacco would have surpassed that 4,000 mark had he not sat most of the Cincy game in 2012. So in four more seasons Ben has passed 4,000 yds twice. That would be his 6th season and his 8th. But I guess Joe was supposed to do it twice in his first five years.

 

 

 

 

Way overblown??  Funny stuff there.   The facts are Flacco has never for a season matched Ben's career average in QB rating.

Not one time during his 6 year career. Ben has 3 --100 plus QB rating seasons  , Flacco hasn't even come close to sniffing that.

 

Flacco had an historic 4 game run. I think everyone acknowledges that. One four game run isn't the stuff they chisel busts in Canton for.

 

Getting back to the 4,000 yards, it's always if, would , could, or should have with Flacco with some of you peeps. We can play the same game when comparing him top others.

[BmoreBird22]

Way overblown??  Funny stuff there.   The facts are Flacco has never for a season matched Ben's career average in QB rating.

Not one time during his 6 year career. Ben has 3 --100 plus QB rating seasons  , Flacco hasn't even come close to sniffing that.

 

Flacco had an historic 4 game run. I think everyone acknowledges that. One four game run isn't the stuff they chisel busts in Canton for.

 

Getting back to the 4,000 yards, it's always if, would , could, or should have with Flacco with some of you peeps. We can play the same game when comparing him top others.

The thing is, no one cares about his regular season state because he wins in the postseason

[ravensdfan]

Way overblown??  Funny stuff there.   The facts are Flacco has never for a season matched Ben's career average in QB rating.

Not one time during his 6 year career. Ben has 3 --100 plus QB rating seasons  , Flacco hasn't even come close to sniffing that.

 

Flacco had an historic 4 game run. I think everyone acknowledges that. One four game run isn't the stuff they chisel busts in Canton for.

 

Getting back to the 4,000 yards, it's always if, would , could, or should have with Flacco with some of you peeps. We can play the same game when comparing him top others.

 

Actually Ben only has 2 - 4th & 6th year. At least get your facts straight even when your logical thinking is failing you.

 

Your almightly QB rating that you're so very concerned with and placing so very much importance on right now - fails you in post season play where it counts. If it is so very very very very important during the regular season, spread out over 16 games, then it is all that MORE important in the post season, when it is win or go home.

 

Flacco has a post season rating of 86.5 to Ben's 83.7 . I guess you just missed it in the first post.

 

Ben is not better than Flacco - time will prove it. Just like time proved you wrong about the Ravens not sniffing a SB victory until Flacco was gone.

 

Get over it really. It's beyond old. If Flacco bothers you that much then you really need to find another team to root for cuz he isn't going anywhere. You're reaching way too far and looking silly in the process.

[ratedr]

ravensdfan pretty much shut it down. lol.

[1/28/01]

ravensdfan pretty much shut it down. lol.

Yeah, that was pretty legit!

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Comparing Joe to Ben is pointless because you're not comparing apples to apples.

 

For one thing, Arians >>> Cameron & whoever was responsible for last season's mess (Caldwell, Harbaugh, Hostler, Castillo, etc.)

 

Ben has had for his WRs & TEs: H. Ward, S. Holmes, P. Burress, N. Washington, A. Randle El, M. Wallace, A. Brown, E. Sanders, J. Cotchery, H. Miller.

 

While Joe has had: D. Mason, M. Clayton, T. Heap, K. Washington, A. Boldin, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, L. Evans, E. Dickson, D. Pitta, T. Doss, J. Jones, D. Clark, B. Stokely, M. Brown.

 

Clearly Ben has had the better receiving corp as Ward, Holmes (back then), Burress, Wallace and Brown are better overall than Mason, Boldin & T. Smith (so far). And the TEs are basically a wash.

 

A comparison of draft busts (6th round or earlier) yields a startling fact.

 

The Ravens draft busts at WR (2004 - 2012) -- the years that would impact Flacco

D. Darling, C. Moore, D. Williams, J. Harper, M. Smith, D. Reed, T. Doss, and T. Streeter.

 

The Steelers draft busts at WR (2000 - 2012) -- the years that would impact Ben.

L Mays, F. Gibson, W. Reid, and L. Sweed.

 

That's right, the Steelers have only missed on 4 of their WR draft picks in 13 years compared to the Ravens missing on 8 of theirs in only 9 years.

 

And that's why the Ravens keep having to trade for older (past their prime) vets and rely on cheap retreads for depth at WR throughout Flacco's time here. Because they've failed at drafting WRs far too often.
 

[Static]

Flacco will never get respect and thats just how it is. After he carried us through the playoffs with our 20(or so) best defense it was "hurr durr Good Job Ray Lewis" 

[1/28/01]

Flacco will never get respect and thats just how it is. After he carried us through the playoffs with our 20(or so) best defense it was "hurr durr Good Job Ray Lewis"

Really? He was the talk of the town immediately following the SB.

[SecretAgentMan]

Really? He was the talk of the town immediately following the SB.

Not in other parts of the country. It was all good job Ray Lewis

[Tank 92]

Flacco will never get respect and thats just how it is. After he carried us through the playoffs with our 20(or so) best defense it was "hurr durr Good Job Ray Lewis" 

 

 

Yeah, but the good thing is I don't think he really cares. 

[flynismo]

Really? He was the talk of the town immediately following the SB.

I dunno. We had a huge "argument" here about how the defense bailed out the offense in the 2nd half.

 

Sounds crazy, but I honestly believe that he would have taken the $17M / per year we originally offered him, if the fan base weren't so critical of him. He said the contract was more about respect than money, so he wanted to be paid like the top QBs get paid.

[beanfigger]

I dunno. We had a huge "argument" here about how the defense bailed out the offense in the 2nd half.

Sounds crazy, but I honestly believe that he would have taken the $17M / per year we originally offered him, if the fan base weren't so critical of him. He said the contract was more about respect than money, so he wanted to be paid like the top QBs get paid.

That is strange logic to me. He wanted more money because fans criticized him? I think he wanted more money because he is human, and he had faith in himself to prove his worth. I just can't seem to believe anyone's inner thoughts told him not to accept $17M because fans called into radio shows or posted on forums about him.

[52520Andrew]

24-2 performance against the Giants in 2012.

 

? If I remember correctly, the Steelers went into New York and won that game

[flynismo]

That is strange logic to me. He wanted more money because fans criticized him? I think he wanted more money because he is human, and he had faith in himself to prove his worth. I just can't seem to believe anyone's inner thoughts told him not to accept $17M because fans called into radio shows or posted on forums about him.

Not just fans but media and other players publicly bashing him (even his own teammate) as well ---- I realize that on the surface, it sounds a bit insane, but yeah, I do believe the utter disrespect shown towards him played a factor. Players say all the time that they use critics as motivation, so it's really not much different.

[ratedr]

? If I remember correctly, the Steelers went into New York and won that game

We were talking about the Falcons at that point.

[beanfigger]

Not just fans but media and other players publicly bashing him (even his own teammate) as well ---- I realize that on the surface, it sounds a bit insane, but yeah, I do believe the utter disrespect shown towards him played a factor. Players say all the time that they use critics as motivation, so it's really not much different.

I can get on board with him wanting to prove himself and being motivated by all that. I just believe you may be overthinking why someone wanted more money.