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Is Flacco FINALLY gaining respect from the media? This is weird

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So, on NFL.com, they did their 2008 redraft; Ryan went #1 overall and Flacco #3. The analysts were talking Joe up, explaining how  you can't argue with his body of work since entering the league.

 

Another article mentions how Flacco had a disappointing year due to injuries, washed up players and throwing to unestablished guys with butter fingers. Any other time, they would have ignored those facts and chastised him (case in point: during the season, they beat up Flacco for not "overcoming those obstacles").

 

A third article on the site (cant find the link) talked about how (paraphrase) Flacco was set up to fail, and the supporting cast needs to do it's job.

 

Now of course, this is not exactly news most of us. It is just interesting to me that prior to last year, Flacco has carried this team to awesome achievements, yet he could do nothing right in their eyes -- our success was always due to everyone BUT Flacco. So you would think that after last year, when these guys FINALLY had the chance to bury Flacco, instead of saying "see, we were right all along", they did a complete 180 and defend him from the very criticism they have been dishing out.

 

Flacco the media darling? The world is now in complete disarray.....up is down, left is right, right is wrong....what is going on???

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They picked the only two QBs from that draft, who can actually play and they picked Joe second. Don't know how "respectfull" that is.

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No - they still refuse to admit that "Matty Ice" was gift-wrapped Roddy White and Tony Gonzales, and his team spent two first round picks on Julio Jones, while Joe waited 4 years for them to draft Torrey, and we got lucky that the 4th round tight end we drafted turned out be as good as he is, and we also waited years on Boldin just so we could get his price down.  Not to mention the difference in OCs.  Just once I would like one of these analysts to say something about the difference in personnel the two have had over the years.  Just once.

 

Not to mention, they conveniently neglect the fact that Matt Ryan struggles every time he plays the caliber of defense Joe plays against on practically a weekly basis.

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until they admit that joe is light years beyond matt ryan, then i will consider it a spit in his face from the media, but im sure he could care less, hes joe cool mayne.

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I think some respect/attention is way overdue. I will never understand the Matt Ryan love affair with the press. I have said many times before if Joe had the offensive weapons Ryan has/had we would have more then just the two superbowl wins .I think it goes to show you how popular fantasy football is some people can't see beyond stats. I would take Joe in the superbowl over any other quarterback including Peyton and Brady.

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While this is awesome, let's face it, the 2008 draft had a lot of whiffs in the first round or players who didn't live up to the billing of where they were drafted.

I still don't see taking both Flacco and Ryan in the top 3 but it is a passing league. Seriously though, go back and look at the 2008 first round picks and you will see very few effective starters.

I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

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I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

Double Dip at RB?

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While this is awesome, let's face it, the 2008 draft had a lot of whiffs in the first round or players who didn't live up to the billing of where they were drafted.

I still don't see taking both Flacco and Ryan in the top 3 but it is a passing league. Seriously though, go back and look at the 2008 first round picks and you will see very few effective starters.

I understand what you are saying and your opinion, but I just find it.....interesting....that after crapping on Flacco since day one, now they are defending him and holding him in high regard. The re-draft aside, in other articles they talk about how they blame the supporting cast for Flacco's down year, yet when things are going well, they never wanted to give Flacco any kind of credit at all. Strange how the media is fighting the monster they created

I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

I have to confess that I was absolutely delighted with that pick. I remember calling him "a fast Bart Scott"...before the draft. Whoops
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I understand what you are saying and your opinion, but I just find it.....interesting....that after crapping on Flacco since day one, now they are defending him and holding him in high regard. The re-draft aside, in other articles they talk about how they blame the supporting cast for Flacco's down year, yet when things are going well, they never wanted to give Flacco any kind of credit at all. Strange how the media is fighting the monster they created

Oh absolutely. Honestly, if they do a 2012 redraft, I wouldn't be shocked if Russell Wilson was a top 5 pick.

I have to confess that I was absolutely delighted with that pick. I remember calling him "a fast Bart Scott"...before the draft. Whoops

What's fun is to read our mock drafts or the GM games from years ago. Guys we hyped up aren't even playing....

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What's fun is to read our mock drafts or the GM games from years ago. Guys we hyped up aren't even playing....

   Baby megatron aka streeter hah

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I actually saw a redraft that had Flacco go number one just because he won the Super Bowl, if that's any constellation.

I kinda hope he gets no respect because the Ravens do much better when they aren't respected. Five years of disrespect and we're a top team in the league. One year of respect and we're out of the playoffs. (Joking, sorta)

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What's fun is to read our mock drafts or the GM games from years ago. Guys we hyped up aren't even playing....

 

That 2009 receiver draft - DHB, Nicks, Britt, Maclin - none of those guys can stay on the field, or stay on the team that drafted them, it seems like.  Just goes to show me this front office knows what it's doing a lot more than most teams out there.

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I actually saw a redraft that had Flacco go number one just because he won the Super Bowl, if that's any constellation.

I kinda hope he gets no respect because the Ravens do much better when they aren't respected. Five years of disrespect and we're a top team in the league. One year of respect and we're out of the playoffs. (Joking, sorta)

There ain't no consolation unless we see some constellations

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Is this intended to be realistic? Because if so there was ZERO chance of Flacco going over Ryan. A lot of people thought Flacco would last until the second but the Ravens got antsy because they heard Miami and NYJ were interested.

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I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

The cody pick is probably the one I want back the most.  As well as the Kindle pick, but that was pretty extraordinary circumstances.

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Is this intended to be realistic? Because if so there was ZERO chance of Flacco going over Ryan. A lot of people thought Flacco would last until the second but the Ravens got antsy because they heard Miami and NYJ were interested.

 

Do you understand how a redraft works? A redraft takes the player's NFL performance into account, looks back at the draft, and puts a player where he belongs based on how he did. A redraft is basically looking back at the draft in hindsight and saying "this guy probably should have went here."

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If flacco fails to put up at least a good performance this year, don't be surprised if flacco gets an earful.

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If flacco fails to put up at least a good performance this year, don't be surprised if flacco gets an earful.

 

Flacco gets an earful regardless. Kind of the point here - he's getting some respect in the media.

 

But I'm sure all this "respect" nonsense will blow over as soon as the season starts. :)

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Flacco gets an earful regardless. Kind of the point here - he's getting some respect in the media.

 

But I'm sure all this "respect" nonsense will blow over as soon as the season starts. :)

 

Absolutely!  Cause to me; the offense will only go as far as Flacco can lead them.  And with this upcoming season...we have new coaches, a new O.C., there's the draft of new players to fill holes and needs on the O-line, he has resigned players coming back in Pitta and Jacoby a young WR who is slowly making his mark on the team in Marlon Brown and new additions in Steve Smith and Owen Daniels.  Therefore to me...NO EXCUSES to be made and NO EXCUSES to be accepted for another piss poor offensive showing like last season.

 

#Mili

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If flacco fails to put up at least a good performance this year, don't be surprised if flacco gets an earful.

If (big if) S. Smith and Owen Daniels can play at the levels that we know that they are capable of, then we no longer can point to lack of weapons as an issue.

 

Hell, they can play at 70% of their previous levels if our OL get's it's act together.

 

No matter whether these offseason moves work out or not, we cannot blame the FO for not attemtping to address our issues -- it is all on the players now.

 

On paper, this offense looks like a top 8 unit (top 3 or 4 if Smith and Daniels still have one more big year left in them)

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If (big if) S. Smith and Owen Daniels can play at the levels that we know that they are capable of, then we no longer can point to lack of weapons as an issue.

 

Hell, they can play at 70% of their previous levels if our OL get's it's act together.

 

No matter whether these offseason moves work out or not, we cannot blame the FO for not attemtping to address our issues -- it is all on the players now.

 

On paper, this offense looks like a top 8 unit (top 3 or 4 if Smith and Daniels still have one more big year left in them)

 

I'll take Top 10.

 

To me, the biggest hindrance has been addressed - the lack of a real OC in the entire time Flacco has been here. Kubiak has his flaws as well, but at least he gameplans to his players' strengths and has some creativity.

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So, on NFL.com, they did their 2008 redraft; Ryan went #1 overall and Flacco #3. The analysts were talking Joe up, explaining how  you can't argue with his body of work since entering the league.

 

Another article mentions how Flacco had a disappointing year due to injuries, washed up players and throwing to unestablished guys with butter fingers. Any other time, they would have ignored those facts and chastised him (case in point: during the season, they beat up Flacco for not "overcoming those obstacles").

 

A third article on the site (cant find the link) talked about how (paraphrase) Flacco was set up to fail, and the supporting cast needs to do it's job.

 

Now of course, this is not exactly news most of us. It is just interesting to me that prior to last year, Flacco has carried this team to awesome achievements, yet he could do nothing right in their eyes -- our success was always due to everyone BUT Flacco. So you would think that after last year, when these guys FINALLY had the chance to bury Flacco, instead of saying "see, we were right all along", they did a complete 180 and defend him from the very criticism they have been dishing out.

 

Flacco the media darling? The world is now in complete disarray.....up is down, left is right, right is wrong....what is going on???

 

 

Maybe they are embarrassed from being wrong for 6 years.

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Matt Ryan would more than likely have two SB's by now if he had this defense to come to his aid and had the ability to absorb the Ravens offense in small doses the way Joe was brought along by Cam.

 

Ryan was asked to be a leader from day 1 in the building, which included a rookie LT and resurrect a franchise that had the stain of Micheal Vick's dog fighting scheme front and center.   There's no debate IMO, I'd take Ryan all day over Flacco.

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Sounds like the topic is turning into a Ryan over Flacco debate.

 

I don't think there is much of a comparison here in the fact that we have two very different styles of QB with different skill sets.  Flacco is a more big bodied, big armed, drop back long ball, cold weather, Air Coryell type of passer.  Ryan is an accurate short game rhythm west coast type of passer that is very cerebral. 

 

So who you would pick if you had the choice of the number 1 pick of the 08 draft probably comes down to which offensive system you prefer. 

 

I'd say the article was accurate, and that most people and analysts (especially fantasy football fans) would pick Ryan over Flacco, or west coast over air coryell. 

 

But history shows that both the Ravens and Falcons got their picks right and most of the rest of the league didn't!

 

Anyways, I do think the "media" is having a harder time dogging Flacco.  Also just you wait, in 2-3 years when Brady, Manning, and Brees are retiring or very close to it then Joe all of a sudden is one of the best of the rest.  Remember Joe still has more upside which is amazing considering how much playing time he's gotten for someone that is his age.  I also think it's sort of going to be a common thread of comparing Flacco and Ryan because of their age, being first round picks, and being day one starters.  There really isn't anyone else you can compare with Joe, as everyone else is much older or much younger. 

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That 2009 receiver draft - DHB, Nicks, Britt, Maclin - none of those guys can stay on the field, or stay on the team that drafted them, it seems like.  Just goes to show me this front office knows what it's doing a lot more than most teams out there.

 

Ozzie has little to brag about when it comes to drafting receivers....

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Matt Ryan would more than likely have two SB's by now if he had this defense to come to his aid and had the ability to absorb the Ravens offense in small doses the way Joe was brought along by Cam.

LOL.

And please tell me, who would they have beaten to win these two SBs? Which of their playoff losses wouldn't have happened. Besides last year they haven't even come close to the Super Bowl so this comment makes absolutely zero sense.

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Sounds like the topic is turning into a Ryan over Flacco debate.

I don't think there is much of a comparison here in the fact that we have two very different styles of QB with different skill sets. Flacco is a more big bodied, big armed, drop back long ball, cold weather, Air Coryell type of passer. Ryan is an accurate short game rhythm west coast type of passer that is very cerebral.

So who you would pick if you had the choice of the number 1 pick of the 08 draft probably comes down to which offensive system you prefer.

I'd say the article was accurate, and that most people and analysts (especially fantasy football fans) would pick Ryan over Flacco, or west coast over air coryell.

But history shows that both the Ravens and Falcons got their picks right and most of the rest of the league didn't!

Anyways, I do think the "media" is having a harder time dogging Flacco. Also just you wait, in 2-3 years when Brady, Manning, and Brees are retiring or very close to it then Joe all of a sudden is one of the best of the rest. Remember Joe still has more upside which is amazing considering how much playing time he's gotten for someone that is his age. I also think it's sort of going to be a common thread of comparing Flacco and Ryan because of their age, being first round picks, and being day one starters. There really isn't anyone else you can compare with Joe, as everyone else is much older or much younger.

Matt Ryan is a non-entity to me. The guy I always compare Flacco to is Eli Manning. As far as I'm concerned they're the same guy.
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I really don;t think Ryan is getting a fair shake from many here.  Joe's my boy, but if Ryan landed with the Ravens I think that we'd have had very similar results.  Joe undeniably has a stronger arm, but Ryan has prove accurate.  The Ravens just know how to bring a young QB along.  Even Kyle "i can sack myself" Boller had a winning record as a rookie.  

 

Just look at the culture of the two teams and see why this team has been consistently successful.  If Joe was in Atlanta he may have just one play-off win too.  It's just the right person in the right place at the right time.

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So, on NFL.com, they did their 2008 redraft; Ryan went #1 overall and Flacco #3. The analysts were talking Joe up, explaining how  you can't argue with his body of work since entering the league.

 

Another article mentions how Flacco had a disappointing year due to injuries, washed up players and throwing to unestablished guys with butter fingers. Any other time, they would have ignored those facts and chastised him (case in point: during the season, they beat up Flacco for not "overcoming those obstacles").

 

A third article on the site (cant find the link) talked about how (paraphrase) Flacco was set up to fail, and the supporting cast needs to do it's job.

 

Now of course, this is not exactly news most of us. It is just interesting to me that prior to last year, Flacco has carried this team to awesome achievements, yet he could do nothing right in their eyes -- our success was always due to everyone BUT Flacco. So you would think that after last year, when these guys FINALLY had the chance to bury Flacco, instead of saying "see, we were right all along", they did a complete 180 and defend him from the very criticism they have been dishing out.

 

Flacco the media darling? The world is now in complete disarray.....up is down, left is right, right is wrong....what is going on???

 

 

DAMN!  See what you started? Gotta read nonsense from hardballs and a whole bunch of other crap about the choke artist known as matty ice.  Oh, well, I just wont read anymore.   :P

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DAMN! See what you started? Gotta read nonsense from hardballs and a whole bunch of other crap about the choke artist known as matty ice. Oh, well, I just wont read anymore. :P

you know why them call him Marty Ice, right? He melts when the heat is on

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you know why them call him Marty Ice, right? He melts when the heat is on

 

 

marty..........  :lol3:

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Absolutely!  Cause to me; the offense will only go as far as Flacco can lead them.  And with this upcoming season...we have new coaches, a new O.C., there's the draft of new players to fill holes and needs on the O-line, he has resigned players coming back in Pitta and Jacoby a young WR who is slowly making his mark on the team in Marlon Brown and new additions in Steve Smith and Owen Daniels.  Therefore to me...NO EXCUSES to be made and NO EXCUSES to be accepted for another piss poor offensive showing like last season.

 

#Mili

Could not agree more with you @Mili! Bisciotti, Ozzie and gang have totally excuse proofed Flacco for the upcoming season. However, Flacco being as streaky as he tends to be, will have to show more consistency and I believe this his seventh year, he will finally either prove his critics totally wrong or maybe right. I would like to believe Flacco starting this year will begin to put up numbers similar to those put up by Peyton, Brees, Brady and Rodgers. There is simply no reason he can't. He has all the tools physically.
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Matt Ryan would more than likely have two SB's by now if he had this defense to come to his aid and had the ability to absorb the Ravens offense in small doses the way Joe was brought along by Cam.

 

Ryan was asked to be a leader from day 1 in the building, which included a rookie LT and resurrect a franchise that had the stain of Micheal Vick's dog fighting scheme front and center.   There's no debate IMO, I'd take Ryan all day over Flacco.

As opposed to the supplemental draft second year LT we had?  Or the fact Ryan can't play outside when its not 85 degrees?  Or the fact he gets his lunch fed to him by defenses that remotely know what they're doing?

Ryan isn't winning any Super Bowls playing in the AFC North.  I'd be surprised if he got out of the first round in this division.

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Could not agree more with you @Mili! Bisciotti, Ozzie and gang have totally excuse proofed Flacco for the upcoming season. However, Flacco being as streaky as he tends to be, will have to show more consistency and I believe this his seventh year, he will finally either prove his critics totally wrong or maybe right. I would like to believe Flacco starting this year will begin to put up numbers similar to those put up by Peyton, Brees, Brady and Rodgers. There is simply no reason he can't. He has all the tools physically.

While I dont necessarily think he will put up huge numbers in Kubiak's sytem, year seven is typically the year where QBs put it all together and become whatever they are destined to become....kinda like the "third year WR" thing.

 

I think it would be wise to temper expectations a little this year, simply because we have no idea what a 35 year old Steve Smith has left in the tank, or what to expect from a 31 year old TE coming off a major injury, or whether Zuttah and Wagner/a rookie is enough to fix the OL. But I DO think the FO has done enough to prevent a repeat of last year. If our offense is remotely that bad this year, it is on the players.

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If flacco fails to put up at least a good performance this year, don't be surprised if flacco gets an earful.

He should. No one can deny what he has done for this team in his first five years, but he needs a bounce-back year, especially while he is getting paid what he is. I understand that Flacco's job was made more difficult last year by a crappy O-line, a crappy running game, and a mediocre-at best receiving corps, but when he is getting paid nearly $20 mil a year Flacco is expected to play better.

That being said I expect him to have a good season in 2014. The coaching staff and FO helped him out a lot with the recent signings. They owe it to him after trading away one of his top targets after we won the Super Bowl, which also didn't help matters any.

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Matt Ryan would more than likely have two SB's by now if he had this defense to come to his aid and had the ability to absorb the Ravens offense in small doses the way Joe was brought along by Cam.

Ryan was asked to be a leader from day 1 in the building, which included a rookie LT and resurrect a franchise that had the stain of Micheal Vick's dog fighting scheme front and center. There's no debate IMO, I'd take Ryan all day over Flacco.

Yeah, sure, if you love 12-14 wins followed by a home playoff loss.

Anyway, Flacco played poorly along with the rest of the offense last season. Instead of lifting his performance, it dropped right with the others, which was disappointing for me being a huge Flacco fan. He was certainly not the main culprit for our offensive struggles, but he contributed. I still feel had he not gotten hurt against Detroit that we would have found our way into the playoffs, and I would have fully expected the entire team to step up in postseason play.

As for this year, I fully expect the whole team to play better. Re-signing key free agents was a big key because we don't have to wait for new players to gel together as much as last year. The additions are seasoned professionals who should have no problem making their presence felt on the field and in the locker room. Here's to another epic playoff run, and then let the critics step up and try to knock Flacco and our squad again.

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While I dont necessarily think he will put up huge numbers in Kubiak's sytem, year seven is typically the year where QBs put it all together and become whatever they are destined to become....kinda like the "third year WR" thing.

 

Truth right here. I'm not expecting a 4500-5000 yard season out of the guy under Kubiaks system. I would like to see efficiency, PA bombs connecting, and a solid TD/INT ratio. Most importantly, dominate time of possession like the Texans have done for a few years now.

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I think Flacco might finally come through this year and I think Kubiak will be really good for Flacco. I don't expect 5000 yards or anything crazy but I do expect 4,000 and 25 TDs. He has the talent around him now, now time to prove the doubters wrong.

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Flacco gets an earful regardless. Kind of the point here - he's getting some respect in the media.

 

But I'm sure all this "respect" nonsense will blow over as soon as the season starts. :)

Well if Flacco has good numbers this year then he will be 1/7 ........  I do not have the statistics handy but has Flacco ever been in the to 10 QB's statically speaking. Just in the top 30%??????? He has had GREAT defenses but that is it. What If Flacco had a middle of the road defense during his career ?    If he has not , why would you guys think that the media disrespects him?  BTW, the article/interview/commentary you guys are referencing is NOT that Joe is GREAT, ( they are not praising him because he had the most touchdowns or passing yards like Manning or Brady ) its more like giving Joe excuses for being in the bottom 20% of the QB's last year.  It amazing how 2 people can read the same thing and come out of it with 2 different conclusions.  BTW also  these were 2 football media types, that have this opinion,  out of hundreds  in this country.  its NOT the consensus of the football media......  whew  

 

No one can take what Joe did in the playoffs 2 years ago, but he was far from perfect and very fortunate on a lot of Jump balls........God bless Boulden.  a non existent FS in Denver and special teams in the SB. 

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Well if Flacco has good numbers this year then he will be 1/7 ........ I do not have the statistics handy but has Flacco ever been in the to 10 QB's statically speaking. Just in the top 30%??????? He has had GREAT defenses but that is it. What If Flacco had a middle of the road defense during his career ? If he has not , why would you guys think that the media disrespects him? BTW, the article/interview/commentary you guys are referencing is NOT that Joe is GREAT, ( they are not praising him because he had the most touchdowns or passing yards like Manning or Brady ) its more like giving Joe excuses for being in the bottom 20% of the QB's last year. It amazing how 2 people can read the same thing and come out of it with 2 different conclusions. BTW also these were 2 football media types, that have this opinion, out of hundreds in this country. its NOT the consensus of the football media...... whew

No one can take what Joe did in the playoffs 2 years ago, but he was far from perfect and very fortunate on a lot of Jump balls........God bless Boulden. a non existent FS in Denver and special teams in the SB.

Nice spelling on Boldin. And cool story!

Edit - And I'm not even a Flacco homer. Just thought this post and deserved my attention.

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Well if Flacco has good numbers this year then he will be 1/7 ........  I do not have the statistics handy but has Flacco ever been in the to 10 QB's statically speaking. Just in the top 30%??????? He has had GREAT defenses but that is it. What If Flacco had a middle of the road defense during his career ?    If he has not , why would you guys think that the media disrespects him?  BTW, the article/interview/commentary you guys are referencing is NOT that Joe is GREAT, ( they are not praising him because he had the most touchdowns or passing yards like Manning or Brady ) its more like giving Joe excuses for being in the bottom 20% of the QB's last year.  It amazing how 2 people can read the same thing and come out of it with 2 different conclusions.  BTW also  these were 2 football media types, that have this opinion,  out of hundreds  in this country.  its NOT the consensus of the football media......  whew  

 

No one can take what Joe did in the playoffs 2 years ago, but he was far from perfect and very fortunate on a lot of Jump balls........God bless Boulden.  a non existent FS in Denver and special teams in the SB. 

 

Typical flawed and inaccurate outsider talk imo!  What jump balls do you speak of man?  And, it's the "non-existent" denver safety's fault that Joe Flacco was able to toss the pass over his head and into the hands of Jacoby Jones....who also had to make a play and catch the ball?  And yep!  In the SB....IT WAS ALL the special teams and their 1 TD that won the SB for us and Joe Flacco tossing 3 TD passes to Boldin, Pitta and Jacoby before halftime.....HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT VICTORY!  Ooooook!  lol!

 

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LOL.

And please tell me, who would they have beaten to win these two SBs? Which of their playoff losses wouldn't have happened. Besides last year they haven't even come close to the Super Bowl so this comment makes absolutely zero sense.

 

 

Truth be told, they were a non pass interference call away from playing the Ravens in the Superbowl.  

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Well if Flacco has good numbers this year then he will be 1/7 ........  I do not have the statistics handy but has Flacco ever been in the to 10 QB's statically speaking. Just in the top 30%??????? He has had GREAT defenses but that is it. What If Flacco had a middle of the road defense during his career ?    If he has not , why would you guys think that the media disrespects him?  BTW, the article/interview/commentary you guys are referencing is NOT that Joe is GREAT, ( they are not praising him because he had the most touchdowns or passing yards like Manning or Brady ) its more like giving Joe excuses for being in the bottom 20% of the QB's last year.  It amazing how 2 people can read the same thing and come out of it with 2 different conclusions.  BTW also  these were 2 football media types, that have this opinion,  out of hundreds  in this country.  its NOT the consensus of the football media......  whew  

 

No one can take what Joe did in the playoffs 2 years ago, but he was far from perfect and very fortunate on a lot of Jump balls........God bless Boulden.  a non existent FS in Denver and special teams in the SB. 

 

I could of swore a jump ball pass was part of the offense.  If you have a skilled receiver who can go get it, accuracy is not the key, you put it up there for him to go get it.  Remind me how you guys beat Seattle again in the Superbowl.  I'll wait!!

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