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Is Flacco FINALLY gaining respect from the media? This is weird

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So, on NFL.com, they did their 2008 redraft; Ryan went #1 overall and Flacco #3. The analysts were talking Joe up, explaining how  you can't argue with his body of work since entering the league.

 

Another article mentions how Flacco had a disappointing year due to injuries, washed up players and throwing to unestablished guys with butter fingers. Any other time, they would have ignored those facts and chastised him (case in point: during the season, they beat up Flacco for not "overcoming those obstacles").

 

A third article on the site (cant find the link) talked about how (paraphrase) Flacco was set up to fail, and the supporting cast needs to do it's job.

 

Now of course, this is not exactly news most of us. It is just interesting to me that prior to last year, Flacco has carried this team to awesome achievements, yet he could do nothing right in their eyes -- our success was always due to everyone BUT Flacco. So you would think that after last year, when these guys FINALLY had the chance to bury Flacco, instead of saying "see, we were right all along", they did a complete 180 and defend him from the very criticism they have been dishing out.

 

Flacco the media darling? The world is now in complete disarray.....up is down, left is right, right is wrong....what is going on???

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They picked the only two QBs from that draft, who can actually play and they picked Joe second. Don't know how "respectfull" that is.

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No - they still refuse to admit that "Matty Ice" was gift-wrapped Roddy White and Tony Gonzales, and his team spent two first round picks on Julio Jones, while Joe waited 4 years for them to draft Torrey, and we got lucky that the 4th round tight end we drafted turned out be as good as he is, and we also waited years on Boldin just so we could get his price down.  Not to mention the difference in OCs.  Just once I would like one of these analysts to say something about the difference in personnel the two have had over the years.  Just once.

 

Not to mention, they conveniently neglect the fact that Matt Ryan struggles every time he plays the caliber of defense Joe plays against on practically a weekly basis.

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until they admit that joe is light years beyond matt ryan, then i will consider it a spit in his face from the media, but im sure he could care less, hes joe cool mayne.

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I think some respect/attention is way overdue. I will never understand the Matt Ryan love affair with the press. I have said many times before if Joe had the offensive weapons Ryan has/had we would have more then just the two superbowl wins .I think it goes to show you how popular fantasy football is some people can't see beyond stats. I would take Joe in the superbowl over any other quarterback including Peyton and Brady.

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While this is awesome, let's face it, the 2008 draft had a lot of whiffs in the first round or players who didn't live up to the billing of where they were drafted.

I still don't see taking both Flacco and Ryan in the top 3 but it is a passing league. Seriously though, go back and look at the 2008 first round picks and you will see very few effective starters.

I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

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While this is awesome, let's face it, the 2008 draft had a lot of whiffs in the first round or players who didn't live up to the billing of where they were drafted.

I still don't see taking both Flacco and Ryan in the top 3 but it is a passing league. Seriously though, go back and look at the 2008 first round picks and you will see very few effective starters.

I understand what you are saying and your opinion, but I just find it.....interesting....that after crapping on Flacco since day one, now they are defending him and holding him in high regard. The re-draft aside, in other articles they talk about how they blame the supporting cast for Flacco's down year, yet when things are going well, they never wanted to give Flacco any kind of credit at all. Strange how the media is fighting the monster they created

I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

I have to confess that I was absolutely delighted with that pick. I remember calling him "a fast Bart Scott"...before the draft. Whoops
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I understand what you are saying and your opinion, but I just find it.....interesting....that after crapping on Flacco since day one, now they are defending him and holding him in high regard. The re-draft aside, in other articles they talk about how they blame the supporting cast for Flacco's down year, yet when things are going well, they never wanted to give Flacco any kind of credit at all. Strange how the media is fighting the monster they created

Oh absolutely. Honestly, if they do a 2012 redraft, I wouldn't be shocked if Russell Wilson was a top 5 pick.

I have to confess that I was absolutely delighted with that pick. I remember calling him "a fast Bart Scott"...before the draft. Whoops

What's fun is to read our mock drafts or the GM games from years ago. Guys we hyped up aren't even playing....

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What's fun is to read our mock drafts or the GM games from years ago. Guys we hyped up aren't even playing....

   Baby megatron aka streeter hah

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I actually saw a redraft that had Flacco go number one just because he won the Super Bowl, if that's any constellation.

I kinda hope he gets no respect because the Ravens do much better when they aren't respected. Five years of disrespect and we're a top team in the league. One year of respect and we're out of the playoffs. (Joking, sorta)

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What's fun is to read our mock drafts or the GM games from years ago. Guys we hyped up aren't even playing....

 

That 2009 receiver draft - DHB, Nicks, Britt, Maclin - none of those guys can stay on the field, or stay on the team that drafted them, it seems like.  Just goes to show me this front office knows what it's doing a lot more than most teams out there.

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I actually saw a redraft that had Flacco go number one just because he won the Super Bowl, if that's any constellation.

I kinda hope he gets no respect because the Ravens do much better when they aren't respected. Five years of disrespect and we're a top team in the league. One year of respect and we're out of the playoffs. (Joking, sorta)

There ain't no consolation unless we see some constellations

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Is this intended to be realistic? Because if so there was ZERO chance of Flacco going over Ryan. A lot of people thought Flacco would last until the second but the Ravens got antsy because they heard Miami and NYJ were interested.

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I also like to look at our pick when we took Tavares Gooden with Jamaal Charles on the board

The cody pick is probably the one I want back the most.  As well as the Kindle pick, but that was pretty extraordinary circumstances.

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Is this intended to be realistic? Because if so there was ZERO chance of Flacco going over Ryan. A lot of people thought Flacco would last until the second but the Ravens got antsy because they heard Miami and NYJ were interested.

 

Do you understand how a redraft works? A redraft takes the player's NFL performance into account, looks back at the draft, and puts a player where he belongs based on how he did. A redraft is basically looking back at the draft in hindsight and saying "this guy probably should have went here."

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If flacco fails to put up at least a good performance this year, don't be surprised if flacco gets an earful.

 

Flacco gets an earful regardless. Kind of the point here - he's getting some respect in the media.

 

But I'm sure all this "respect" nonsense will blow over as soon as the season starts. :)

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Flacco gets an earful regardless. Kind of the point here - he's getting some respect in the media.

 

But I'm sure all this "respect" nonsense will blow over as soon as the season starts. :)

 

Absolutely!  Cause to me; the offense will only go as far as Flacco can lead them.  And with this upcoming season...we have new coaches, a new O.C., there's the draft of new players to fill holes and needs on the O-line, he has resigned players coming back in Pitta and Jacoby a young WR who is slowly making his mark on the team in Marlon Brown and new additions in Steve Smith and Owen Daniels.  Therefore to me...NO EXCUSES to be made and NO EXCUSES to be accepted for another piss poor offensive showing like last season.

 

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If flacco fails to put up at least a good performance this year, don't be surprised if flacco gets an earful.

If (big if) S. Smith and Owen Daniels can play at the levels that we know that they are capable of, then we no longer can point to lack of weapons as an issue.

 

Hell, they can play at 70% of their previous levels if our OL get's it's act together.

 

No matter whether these offseason moves work out or not, we cannot blame the FO for not attemtping to address our issues -- it is all on the players now.

 

On paper, this offense looks like a top 8 unit (top 3 or 4 if Smith and Daniels still have one more big year left in them)

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If (big if) S. Smith and Owen Daniels can play at the levels that we know that they are capable of, then we no longer can point to lack of weapons as an issue.

 

Hell, they can play at 70% of their previous levels if our OL get's it's act together.

 

No matter whether these offseason moves work out or not, we cannot blame the FO for not attemtping to address our issues -- it is all on the players now.

 

On paper, this offense looks like a top 8 unit (top 3 or 4 if Smith and Daniels still have one more big year left in them)

 

I'll take Top 10.

 

To me, the biggest hindrance has been addressed - the lack of a real OC in the entire time Flacco has been here. Kubiak has his flaws as well, but at least he gameplans to his players' strengths and has some creativity.

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So, on NFL.com, they did their 2008 redraft; Ryan went #1 overall and Flacco #3. The analysts were talking Joe up, explaining how  you can't argue with his body of work since entering the league.

 

Another article mentions how Flacco had a disappointing year due to injuries, washed up players and throwing to unestablished guys with butter fingers. Any other time, they would have ignored those facts and chastised him (case in point: during the season, they beat up Flacco for not "overcoming those obstacles").

 

A third article on the site (cant find the link) talked about how (paraphrase) Flacco was set up to fail, and the supporting cast needs to do it's job.

 

Now of course, this is not exactly news most of us. It is just interesting to me that prior to last year, Flacco has carried this team to awesome achievements, yet he could do nothing right in their eyes -- our success was always due to everyone BUT Flacco. So you would think that after last year, when these guys FINALLY had the chance to bury Flacco, instead of saying "see, we were right all along", they did a complete 180 and defend him from the very criticism they have been dishing out.

 

Flacco the media darling? The world is now in complete disarray.....up is down, left is right, right is wrong....what is going on???

 

 

Maybe they are embarrassed from being wrong for 6 years.

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Matt Ryan would more than likely have two SB's by now if he had this defense to come to his aid and had the ability to absorb the Ravens offense in small doses the way Joe was brought along by Cam.

 

Ryan was asked to be a leader from day 1 in the building, which included a rookie LT and resurrect a franchise that had the stain of Micheal Vick's dog fighting scheme front and center.   There's no debate IMO, I'd take Ryan all day over Flacco.

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Sounds like the topic is turning into a Ryan over Flacco debate.

 

I don't think there is much of a comparison here in the fact that we have two very different styles of QB with different skill sets.  Flacco is a more big bodied, big armed, drop back long ball, cold weather, Air Coryell type of passer.  Ryan is an accurate short game rhythm west coast type of passer that is very cerebral. 

 

So who you would pick if you had the choice of the number 1 pick of the 08 draft probably comes down to which offensive system you prefer. 

 

I'd say the article was accurate, and that most people and analysts (especially fantasy football fans) would pick Ryan over Flacco, or west coast over air coryell. 

 

But history shows that both the Ravens and Falcons got their picks right and most of the rest of the league didn't!

 

Anyways, I do think the "media" is having a harder time dogging Flacco.  Also just you wait, in 2-3 years when Brady, Manning, and Brees are retiring or very close to it then Joe all of a sudden is one of the best of the rest.  Remember Joe still has more upside which is amazing considering how much playing time he's gotten for someone that is his age.  I also think it's sort of going to be a common thread of comparing Flacco and Ryan because of their age, being first round picks, and being day one starters.  There really isn't anyone else you can compare with Joe, as everyone else is much older or much younger. 

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That 2009 receiver draft - DHB, Nicks, Britt, Maclin - none of those guys can stay on the field, or stay on the team that drafted them, it seems like.  Just goes to show me this front office knows what it's doing a lot more than most teams out there.

 

Ozzie has little to brag about when it comes to drafting receivers....

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