Smith vs. Smith

[Gordo52]

Torrey has the potential to burn anybody, so you can never count him out. But, he hasn't fared very well against more physical corners, so Jimmy has to be the safest bet.

Yup. If he was running 9's all day he'd beat him all day with no safety help. In this hypothetical I imagine it being more realistic in which Jimmy has the clear advantage IMO.

Ask how many CB's you'd rather have than Jimmy and then do the same thing with Torrey.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Had to call it a tie. Too many variables.

I agree, let's wait and see what a revamped O-line can do. We'll find out but way too early too call. Time is everything, ask Joe!

[airconteka1]

Is this hypothetical game the Superbowl? If yes, I'd go with Jimmy. If no, I'd also go with Jimmy

[GrimCoconut]

If anyone has followed my comments, they'd know my answer: Jimmy Smith

 

I think both get extended long-term.

[flynismo]

When you blanket and outplay Megatron.. the sky is the limit.

 

There ya go.....if Jimmy can lockdown Megatron, I don't see Torrey fairing any better

[BmoreBird22]

who is faster ?

 

Either way I voted Jimmy.

I believe Jimmy ran faster by .01 seconds in the 40 yard dash, so people who say Jimmy would get burnt on nine routes are going to be mistaken. They're evenly matched in the speed category

[3-4ravdef509]

Surprised to see the uneven support towards Jimmy. I'll give you guys that he locked down Megatron, but stylistically he matches up well with him. Against Torrey I don't know that the advantage is there. While Torrey does sometimes struggle with press coverage, it's usually press coverage with a safety over top from my experience watching. I'd say one on one press coverage with no help and Jimmy could end up in a foot race.

[MYTH420]

I think if Jimmy played man and pressed him at the line, then he would win. If he plays off, then Torry would win. The problem I have is Pees doesn't press at the line. We always play off. I hate that. Against good QBs, pressing at the line and disrupting timing is huge. Against rookie and average QBs, you can get away with playing off.

[Tru11]

who is the QB, how is the o-line , who are the pass rushers?

 

if you look at who the best physical specimen is then jimmy wins easiy.

if you look at pure speed then of course torrey.

 

if you take in consideration the offense and defense then its jimmy as well.

 

i also doubt the football field is long enough for torrey to burn jimmy.

most times jimmy got beat where on double moves and well torrey isent the best with double moves yet.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't know why people think Torrey would win with speed. Jimmy is just as fast. Both time really well and play extremely fast. Neither would have the edge.

Jimmy also improved his patience and recognition of double moves massively this year and is reacting much better to them. I remember in the Denver game the commentators calling his reaction textbook.

I think Jimmy wins because of his physicality. Jimmy usually struggles with smaller receivers who are sharp in their cuts, and that's not Torrey

[beasy2487]

Reg Season - Adv Torrey

Post Season - Adv Jimmy

[PurpleCorsair]

What's the coverage? What's the offensive formation? What's the route? How is the protection holding up? What are the field conditions, the wind conditions?

 

There are too many variables to  unequivocally say which Smith would win.

 

Jimmy shut down Calvin Johnson, then next week Julian Edelman had success.

 

Torrey has had success against Joe Haden, a quality cornerback.

[757RavensFan]

I wonder if they match up during practice?

[Militant X 1]

The poll should be:

 

Offense: Torrey Smith vs. Steve Smith

 

Defense: Daryl Smith vs. Jimmy Smith

 

#Mili

[BmoreBird22]

The poll should be:

 

Offense: Torrey Smith vs. Steve Smith

 

Defense: Daryl Smith vs. Jimmy Smith

 

#Mili

Because...?

[lowrider]

Not a lot of love for Torrey on this thread.  All he needs is to catch Jimmy sleeping one time and its a td. 

[Alexir]

Torrey's QB wouldn't be good enough to get it in that tight coverage.

/just trolling !

But others have said it, Smith isn't a great route runner, he's just fast. Jimmy would eat his lunch

[kassaiscool]

Jimmy is big and fast and would give Torrey some troubles. Throughout Torrey's career if you have a good press corner on him he won't have to much success. If you play off Torrey and let him run he will burn you. I will end it like this, both players are really talented but Jimmy is closer to being a number 1 corner than Torrey being a number 1 receiver. Hopefully they are both Ravens for a long time.

[3-4ravdef509]

I'll have to go back and watch game film on Torrey, because I really don't remember many games where press coverage was an issue for him. Now, bracket coverage was, but that's trouble for most receivers. He was the first Raven since Mason to top 1000 yards receiving, on a team with no running game and no offensive line and the next best threat being a URFA.

[BmoreLAT52]

Torreys been the more consistent player since being drafted but like others said Jimmy would wreck him, his strength is Torreys weakness which is physical press corners

[codizzle]

I'll have to go back and watch game film on Torrey, because I really don't remember many games where press coverage was an issue for him. Now, bracket coverage was, but that's trouble for most receivers. He was the first Raven since Mason to top 1000 yards receiving, on a team with no running game and no offensive line and the next best threat being a URFA.

Now someone's starting to think around here

My god it's like jimmy is gods gift to CB around here

[T3hRaven]

Jimmy would wreck Torrey and it's not even close if you ask me.

Torrey can't do diddly poo against press corners.

You're assuming Pees would be smart enough to have him press. That's not really a surefire bet.

[H8R]

The Jimmy would get the better of Torrey. Jimmy has the ability to be a top 5 corner... Torrey isn't close to having top 5 ability.

[H8R]

Now someone's starting to think around here

My god it's like jimmy is gods gift to CB around here

And Torrey is gods gift to WR? He should have had 1300+ last year, but he falls as soon as he's touched and has inconsistent hands.

[codizzle]

And Torrey is gods gift to WR? He should have had 1300+ last year, but he falls as soon as he's touched and has inconsistent hands.

Never said anything like that about Torrey... Just crazy that only three people have even mentioned Torrey having a chance at all

[berad]

You're assuming Pees would be smart enough to have him press. That's not really a surefire bet.

Pees, Harbaugh, and Austin were begging Jimmy to play press during his first years and even into this last pre-season. Once he finally did, he started playing to his potential.

[BmoreBird22]

 

Pees, Harbaugh, and Austin were begging Jimmy to play press during his first years and even into this last pre-season. Once he finally did, he started playing to his potential.

I never heard about Pees begging Jimmy to play press man. I mean, if a coach says, "Play press-man," can a player really refuse? I don't think Pees likes being that aggressive with his cornerbacks because Cary Williams was often used in off man coverage which led him to be one of the worst cornerbacks in the NFL.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Pees, Harbaugh, and Austin were begging Jimmy to play press during his first years and even into this last pre-season. Once he finally did, he started playing to his potential.

There's been a dozen question why jimmy improved compare to prior seasons. Jimmy gave the same answer: he credited learning the system instead of relying on his physical attribute.

I'm sure you can find his locker room question/answers somewhere. But that's what I remember.

[berad]

I never heard about Pees begging Jimmy to play press man. I mean, if a coach says, "Play press-man," can a player really refuse? I don't think Pees likes being that aggressive with his cornerbacks because Cary Williams was often used in off man coverage which led him to be one of the worst cornerbacks in the NFL.

 

There's been a dozen question why jimmy improved compare to prior seasons. Jimmy gave the same answer: he credited learning the system instead of relying on his physical attribute.

I'm sure you can find his locker room question/answers somewhere. But that's what I remember.

Comfort in the system probably played a role, too, but here is what I remember:

 

“I don’t think he played particularly good the other night,” Pees said. “He’s got a technique [that] he’s got to use, and he didn’t use it the other night. He’s got a distinct advantage in a way that he can play, and he didn’t necessarily play that way last week, and I think he will [this week]. And I think he’ll learn from that.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Have-Utmost-Confidence-In-Jimmy-Smith/d01b0008-4cd1-4637-add7-6a0cd7e89f45

Pees critiquing his technique after a pre-season game. And the next week, after the Panthers game:

“Jimmy Smith played very well,” Harbaugh said. “He was physical at the line. They have excellent receivers over there, and I think he did a nice job."

“I feel like I played my game, put my hands on the receivers and pressed a lot, so it was pretty solid,” Smith said.

Coming into the game, Defensive Coordinator Dean Pees emphasized to Smith to be more physical with receivers. The 6-foot-2, 210-pund pound cornerback has the size to overpower receivers, but he did not use that to his advantage last week against the Falcons.

“It was basically me just being more aggressive at the line,” he said. “I wasn’t being aggressive and I gave them too much credit and too much space, and didn’t play my game. So this week I just wanted to come out and play my game.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Jimmy-Smith-Rebounds-Against-Panthers/3590b6ba-8227-48b0-83d9-f5d56d0b2aa0

The coaches wanted him to be aggressive and physical - play press. Once he did, his performance shot up.

[3-4ravdef509]

I don't think jimmy is overrated or anything, but rather that Torrey is underrated. How many more yards and touchdowns would he have if Flacco had more time to connect on more of those deep balls. Torrey can sometimes be slowed by press coverage, but then again I've seen him burn people trying to press him. His biggest flaw is sometimes tracking the ball in the air when he forgets to turn his head and does the head leaning back thing that looks so ridiculous. He's no Anquan who can catch anything thrown his way but at the same time he's made some impressive catches in traffic over the years. His biggest advantage is being effective anywhere on the field, coupled with a qb who can throw to anywhere on the field.