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Smith vs. Smith

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  1. 1. Smith vs. Smith

    • Torrey ( more than 3 catches/70 yards Plus a score)
      17
    • Jimmy ( less than 3 catches/70 yards no score )
      42
    • About even ( About exactly 3 catches/70 yards, no score )
      13

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Hypothetical situation about two of our young up and coming talents who are on the verge of being extended - who would have the advantage in a real game one on one situation: Torrey or Jimmy?

 

I think Torrey matches up well, as Smith (although much improved last year) has shown his Achilles heel to be deep shots over his head, especially on double moves.

 

What do you guys think?

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Jimmy would wreck Torrey and it's not even close if you ask me.

 

Torrey can't do diddly poo against press corners.

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I think Torrey would have a couple of big catches maybe a long TD...Jimmy is good but he can get beat at times. I would give the advantage to Jim however.

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Hypothetical situation about two of our young up and coming talents who are on the verge of being extended - who would have the advantage in a real game one on one situation: Torrey or Jimmy?

I think Torrey matches up well, as Smith (although much improved last year) has shown his Achilles heel to be deep shots over his head, especially on double moves.

What do you guys think?

Im not sure a thread like this has been made but I like it. Maybe only comes up when we play former guys.

I wanna answer, but too many variables. With last years offense in mind, it's hard to have faith in Torrey, til you remember a year prior and some of the catches he had. Always been a Jimmy fan, so I'll rock with him, but Torrey might get his.

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I'd say Jimmy. But given enough opportunities Torrey can burn any corner in the league, just not all the time. And he's not a big enough force to make corners pay every time QBs throw in their direction (a la Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson etc.). Jimmy has the advantage here and the scary thing is he just started "getting it". He'll get so much better in the next 1-2 years. But the question itself is odd. :D

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Torrey have been the most productive player vs. Jimmy

 

The upside for both of them are incredibly high.   

Plus Torrey has a great durability.  Something Jimmy couldn't say b/c he had setbacks all of his NFL career.

 

I'd say Torrey full season.   One game, Jimmy...

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Torrey have been the most productive player vs. Jimmy

The upside for both of them are incredibly high.

Plus Torrey has a great durability. Something Jimmy couldn't say b/c he had setbacks all of his NFL career.

I'd say Torrey full season. One game, Jimmy...

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Look at how Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, BRandon Marshall and Josh Gordon did against Jimmy Smith. IDK how anyone could pick Torrey 1 on 1. Torrey is a beast though Jimmy played on another level last season

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Gotta go with Jimmy. I also hope he gets extended before Torrey but wouldn't care as long as we get both.

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Jimmy would wreck Torrey and it's not even close if you ask me.

 

Torrey can't do diddly poo against press corners.

 

Not that it matters in the here and now, but back when they were rooks in TC, Torrey ripped Jimmy a new one nearly every day.

 

But yeah, today, Torrey gets shut down. 2 catches for 36 yards

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Not that it matters in the here and now, but back when they were rooks in TC, Torrey ripped Jimmy a new one nearly every day.

 

But yeah, today, Torrey gets shut down. 2 catches for 36 yards

I remember those TC highlight videos and remember those types of catches Torrey would make against Jimmy. Then I watched Torrey during the pre-season and wondered "where's that guy?"

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Think people underestimate Torrey a little bit

A lot of people seem to do that around here. People respect him, but I don't think he gets the recognition or appreciation he should. I said I'd pick Jimmy, but voted it would be a tie.

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A lot of people seem to do that around here. People respect him, but I don't think he gets the recognition or appreciation he should. I said I'd pick Jimmy, but voted it would be a tie.

Yeah, I mean the guy put up 1,100+ yds in one the worst offenses in the league. No pass protection and no running game. Tbh he had no one to take attention away from him in the passing game. Is he the best receiver? no, but hes been incredibly valuable to this team throughout his young career. Not to mention he seems to be one of the few bright spots off the field during this off season.

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James Smith would win.... Lol.

 

I'd have to go with Jimmy. When you blanket and outplay Megatron.. the sky is the limit.

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Jimmy also gave the world this gif:

 

jim-harbaugh-holding-gif.gif

 

/end discussion

*Niners fans everywhere cry. 

Call SB rigged

Hail Kaep as next Jesus

Call Jimmy Smith a "nobody"

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I'm a defensive minded guy myself. I was thrilled back when Jimmy was drafted #1 rather than Torrey ( whom many mock drafts had us taking #1) Torrey has actually exceeded my initial expectations and has risen bar, while Jimmy has dealt with a number of things that has toughen him up to help his growth. Injuries, over thinking plays ( causing him to jump on double moves ), early on he rarely played close press coverage for fear of giving up another double move. Now he has the confidence to play bump and run, or off.

For 1 game, I believe Jimmy could hold Torrey smith under 50 yards receiving easily, Jimmy played an excellent game versus Calvin Johnson and Jordy Nelson this past season, also Jimmy has gotten really good at ripping the ball out the WRs hands as they come down and forcing them out of bounds to prevent a catch.

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Torrey has the potential to burn anybody, so you can never count him out. But, he hasn't fared very well against more physical corners, so Jimmy has to be the safest bet.

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Torrey has the potential to burn anybody, so you can never count him out. But, he hasn't fared very well against more physical corners, so Jimmy has to be the safest bet.

Yup. If he was running 9's all day he'd beat him all day with no safety help. In this hypothetical I imagine it being more realistic in which Jimmy has the clear advantage IMO.

Ask how many CB's you'd rather have than Jimmy and then do the same thing with Torrey.

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Had to call it a tie. Too many variables.

I agree, let's wait and see what a revamped O-line can do. We'll find out but way too early too call. Time is everything, ask Joe!

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If anyone has followed my comments, they'd know my answer: Jimmy Smith

 

I think both get extended long-term.

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When you blanket and outplay Megatron.. the sky is the limit.

 

There ya go.....if Jimmy can lockdown Megatron, I don't see Torrey fairing any better

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who is faster ?

 

Either way I voted Jimmy.

I believe Jimmy ran faster by .01 seconds in the 40 yard dash, so people who say Jimmy would get burnt on nine routes are going to be mistaken. They're evenly matched in the speed category
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Surprised to see the uneven support towards Jimmy. I'll give you guys that he locked down Megatron, but stylistically he matches up well with him. Against Torrey I don't know that the advantage is there. While Torrey does sometimes struggle with press coverage, it's usually press coverage with a safety over top from my experience watching. I'd say one on one press coverage with no help and Jimmy could end up in a foot race.

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I think if Jimmy played man and pressed him at the line, then he would win. If he plays off, then Torry would win. The problem I have is Pees doesn't press at the line. We always play off. I hate that. Against good QBs, pressing at the line and disrupting timing is huge. Against rookie and average QBs, you can get away with playing off.

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who is the QB, how is the o-line , who are the pass rushers?

 

if you look at who the best physical specimen is then jimmy wins easiy.

if you look at pure speed then of course torrey.

 

if you take in consideration the offense and defense then its jimmy as well.

 

i also doubt the football field is long enough for torrey to burn jimmy.

most times jimmy got beat where on double moves and well torrey isent the best with double moves yet.

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I don't know why people think Torrey would win with speed. Jimmy is just as fast. Both time really well and play extremely fast. Neither would have the edge.

Jimmy also improved his patience and recognition of double moves massively this year and is reacting much better to them. I remember in the Denver game the commentators calling his reaction textbook.

I think Jimmy wins because of his physicality. Jimmy usually struggles with smaller receivers who are sharp in their cuts, and that's not Torrey

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What's the coverage? What's the offensive formation? What's the route? How is the protection holding up? What are the field conditions, the wind conditions?

 

There are too many variables to  unequivocally say which Smith would win.

 

Jimmy shut down Calvin Johnson, then next week Julian Edelman had success.

 

Torrey has had success against Joe Haden, a quality cornerback.

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The poll should be:

 

Offense: Torrey Smith vs. Steve Smith

 

Defense: Daryl Smith vs. Jimmy Smith

 

#Mili

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The poll should be:

 

Offense: Torrey Smith vs. Steve Smith

 

Defense: Daryl Smith vs. Jimmy Smith

 

#Mili

Because...?
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Not a lot of love for Torrey on this thread.  All he needs is to catch Jimmy sleeping one time and its a td. 

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Torrey's QB wouldn't be good enough to get it in that tight coverage.

/just trolling !

But others have said it, Smith isn't a great route runner, he's just fast. Jimmy would eat his lunch

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Jimmy is big and fast and would give Torrey some troubles. Throughout Torrey's career if you have a good press corner on him he won't have to much success. If you play off Torrey and let him run he will burn you. I will end it like this, both players are really talented but Jimmy is closer to being a number 1 corner than Torrey being a number 1 receiver. Hopefully they are both Ravens for a long time.

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I'll have to go back and watch game film on Torrey, because I really don't remember many games where press coverage was an issue for him. Now, bracket coverage was, but that's trouble for most receivers. He was the first Raven since Mason to top 1000 yards receiving, on a team with no running game and no offensive line and the next best threat being a URFA.

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Torreys been the more consistent player since being drafted but like others said Jimmy would wreck him, his strength is Torreys weakness which is physical press corners

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