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Welcome to Bmore, Zuttah

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Jesus, why do people STILL quote PFF as if their opinions mean anything?

Zuttah hasn't given up a single sack in over two years, playing at both C and LG, and PFF would have you believe that he is #22 in the entire league? Whatever

Again I will preface this by saying I like the trade for Zuttah but everyone keeps quoting my posts in this thread because I'm not all over the Zuttah bandwagon and I'm not bashing Gradkowski.

And Im not singling you out here fly, i just keep seeing everyone oo-ing and ahh-ing at Zuttah having not surrendered a sack in two seasons. You guys do realize how skewed this statistic is for centers in general right? In both forms of base defenses used in the NFL, the onus is on the defensive ends (4-3) and outside linebackers (3-4) to bring the heat, aka outside pressure. Any added pressure a team can get with their three and five technique guys or mike/jack 'backers (3-4) or interior DTs/outside linebackers (4-3) is usually a bonus as they have other primary roles over that. I do realize there are some beastly pass rushers who don't fit those roles (Geno Atkins comes to mind) but the point is, you've got to be a pretty god awful center to be surrendering more than a couple of sacks or so a season. As maligned as Gradkowski was for the self-admitted bad season he had, he was credited with surrendering 2.5 sacks. My best buddy is a Cowboys fan so I've watched plenty of their games the past 5+seasons and they had an equally, if not worse 16 game center in Phil Costa in '11. His sacks given up that year?: 2 (on a semi-related note he was ecstatic about the Travis Frederick pick because of Costa since he was mentioned in this thread).

In comparison, our own all-pro Marshal Yanda was credited with 4 surrendered sacks last year. Why more than "worst lineman on the planet according to some Ravens' fans" Gradkowski? Because the further from the center of the line you get, the more consistent pressure an o-lineman will see on every passing down. Why do you think offensive tackles, particularly left tackles for right handed QBs get paid the most money of offensive linemen? Because stopping the brunt of the pressure from aforementioned 3-4 outside 'backers and 4-3 defensive ends are on them.

The point is, I love the potential of our new line (at least one draft pick pending Im sure and possibly a training camp cut pending) but I'm not going to go ga-ga over a sacks surrendered stat for centers for similar reasons many of you are not fond of Football Outsiders, PFF, etc.

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Again I will preface this by saying I like the trade for Zuttah but everyone keeps quoting my posts in this thread because I'm not all over the Zuttah bandwagon and I'm not bashing Gradkowski.

And Im not singling you out here fly, i just keep seeing everyone oo-ing and ahh-ing at Zuttah having not surrendered a sack in two seasons. You guys do realize how skewed this statistic is for centers in general right? In both forms of base defenses used in the NFL, the onus is on the defensive ends (4-3) and outside linebackers (3-4) to bring the heat, aka outside pressure. Any added pressure a team can get with their three and five technique guys or mike/jack 'backers (3-4) or interior DTs/outside linebackers (4-3) is usually a bonus as they have other primary roles over that. I do realize there are some beastly pass rushers who don't fit those roles (Geno Atkins comes to mind) but the point is, you've got to be a pretty god awful center to be surrendering more than a couple of sacks or so a season. As maligned as Gradkowski was for the self-admitted bad season he had, he was credited with surrendering 2.5 sacks. My best buddy is a Cowboys fan so I've watched plenty of their games the past 5+seasons and they had an equally, if not worse 16 game center in Phil Costa in '11. His sacks given up that year?: 2 (on a semi-related note he was ecstatic about the Travis Frederick pick because of Costa since he was mentioned in this thread).

In comparison, our own all-pro Marshal Yanda was credited with 4 surrendered sacks last year. Why more than "worst lineman on the planet according to some Ravens' fans" Gradkowski? Because the further from the center of the line you get, the more consistent pressure an o-lineman will see on every passing down. Why do you think offensive tackles, particularly left tackles for right handed QBs get paid the most money of offensive linemen? Because stopping the brunt of the pressure from aforementioned 3-4 outside 'backers and 4-3 defensive ends are on them.

The point is, I love the potential of our new line (at least one draft pick pending Im sure and possibly a training camp cut pending) but I'm not going to go ga-ga over a sacks surrendered stat for centers for similar reasons many of you are not fond of Football Outsiders, PFF, etc.

 

 

It's all good, I understand where you're coming from. I just hate PFF!

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Jeremy Zuttah contract numbers

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3 hrs

Jeremy Zuttah five-year Ravens deal: $18 million, $6.5M guaranteed, $3.5M bonus, $1M base 2014 guaranteed, $2M of $3M 2015 salary gteed

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3 hrs

Jeremy Zuttah salary cap figures: $1.7 million, $3.7 million, $4.2 million, $4.2 million, $4.2 million

Very nice, very nice. That's a really awesome contract for the Ravens and gives them a little more wiggle room to possibly make one more move, or extension, before the draft and cuts
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Very nice, very nice. That's a really awesome contract for the Ravens and gives them a little more wiggle room to possibly make one more move, or extension, before the draft and cuts

yeah as of right now the ravens have about 7 million to work with.

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yeah as of right now the ravens have about 7 million to work with.

Realistically you have to set about $5 million aside for when the rule of 51 stops applying and you have to pay your draft class and practice squad

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5 year 18 million? Sounds like a bargain to me

 

Lets hope he protects Joe as if he got paid 100 million $. Still have nightmares from the beating Flacco took in Miami. Outch.

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Thats 

 

Jeremy Zuttah contract numbers

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3 hrs

Jeremy Zuttah five-year Ravens deal: $18 million, $6.5M guaranteed, $3.5M bonus, $1M base 2014 guaranteed, $2M of $3M 2015 salary gteed

 

Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 3 hrs

Jeremy Zuttah salary cap figures: $1.7 million, $3.7 million, $4.2 million, $4.2 million, $4.2 million

 

That's a solid 2-yr commitment at the least.  Year-2 his cut savings are non-existent/negative but in the third year his cut savings look to hit $1.1-million giving us an opportunity to part ways if at some cost if necessary.  It shapes up to be a 3-yr deal with the 4th and 5th years essentially as options for the team should he continue to prove worth it.

 

(4th $2.1 million, 5th $3.5 million).  

 

-Roughly calculated by subtracting the remaining pro-rated guaranteed money from the apparent salary

(1mil, 3mil,3.5mil,3.5mil,3.5mil)

 

Sorry Gino you had your shot...unless you have a monster camp...

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