Welcome to Bmore, Zuttah

[jaege]

Well he is not a flashy signing...but Kubiak knows what he is looking for in centers I guess...looking for the specific type of athlete, and Zuttah ran a  4.9  40 yard dash. He has some starting experience which is also good, but he was part of a  Bucs o-line that wasn't good last year. And the fact that they wanted to improve on the position by adding Evan Dietrich Smith this offseason makes me wonder how good Zuttah really is.

 

Im not sure if anything has been set in stone as far as the starting job goes...but I would assume there to be a competition in training camp. Maybe with the addition of a couple more cheap Kubiak choices we will find a quality starting center who will help boost the running game, although Im optimistic at this point it will be Zuttah.

 

 

 

I understand your point but, using that same logic, we could presume that Yanda is questionable as to his usefulness since he "was part of a  Ravens o-line that wasn't good last year". Although none of us make that assumption. Zuttah could very well be the victim of being surrounded by poor quality players and/or poor coaching or schemes.

 

 

At least I hope that is the case.

[Ravenseconbeast]

To be fair, it's a WR screen. Gino was doing his job, which is to get to the outside to set up a downfield block. He can't go past the LOS until the receiver has the ball. Rice whiffed on the block that got Joe hit. He should have stepped up into the pocket and take on the defender.

 

He failed hard on that task.  He didn't do either.   He was 5 yards away from blocking a target for receiver and 5 yard away from flacco.   He was in middle of nowhere blocking air like he usually does.

[Tank 92]

Suggs got penalized and fined for less against Brady.

 

 

I know, and he just brushed his leg. Where's the justice?  

 

 

lmao.....What did Haloti get for breaking jen's nose?  Now that was special!

[BBoogieMan]

Well, in a division with Pouncey and Mack (the bungles aren't re-signing UFA center Cook), with this signing, we're still behind in that position. Kinda scary with the NT/DT play in today's NFL and those big boys about to enter from CFB. But, as a OL unit, we've improved since last season. After FA and the draft, we could be one of the better in NFL.

 

This sets up the draft better....less holes to fill. What are most of you guys' 1st - 3rd rounds mocks are now?

[tolucaraven]

Finally...the horrible Gradkowski experiment is over. He single handedly cost them the playoffs. Zuttah is solid, not all world but 10x what GG was. GG wouldnt start for most college teams.

[tolucaraven]

Well, in a division with Pouncey and Mack (the bungles aren't re-signing UFA center Cook), with this signing, we're still behind in that position. Kinda scary with the NT/DT play in today's NFL and those big boys about to

enter from CFB. But, as a OL unit, we've improved since last season. After FA and the draft, we could be one of the better in NFL.

This sets up the draft better....less holes to fill. What are most of you guys' 1st - 3rd rounds mocks are now?

Actually the Steelers line was better without Pouncey. Pouncey has been pretty crappy since his second year.

Has screws in an ankle and recovering from knee injury. Pouncey sucks. Velasco was good for them, but tore his knee up and is UFA.

[DocMartin]

Said on Facebook he was ranked as the 22nd best sooooooo meh?

Yeah, I read it too, Zuttah was ranked 22nd Center by PPF. Report also said Zuttah ALLOWED ZERO SACKS IN 2013 SEASON. THAT'S INCREDIBLE! Being ranked 22nd and not allowed any sacks - Im not sure how the ranking works, but I sure Love The Zero Sacks Allowed.

How many Gino allowed last.year? Well, message is clear, there will be competition at Center in TC and Gino will have to step up big time or he will be sitting on bench.

[jazz1988]

Finally...the horrible Gradkowski experiment is over. He single handedly cost them the playoffs. Zuttah is solid, not all world but 10x what GG was. GG wouldnt start for most college teams.

 

I don't think Gino cost us the playoffs. The Ravens offense just suck overall  and the predictable playing calling didnt help either. We would have been in the playoffs if we were a bit more creative in the pass game.

[DocMartin]

So glad to hear this news. First outside addition to our OL and he is a probable starter and upgrade.

Yes and Yes. Zuttah is a legit starter. We moving KO to RT which makes LG wide open. So even if Gino somehow wins Center job, which is very doubtful, Zuttah could start at LG spot.

Or

Zuttah starts at Center, Shipley takes.LG spot and Gino is on bench.

This signing upgrades O-Line without breaking the bank which makes it a beautifull thing. Kudos to Ozzie.

[tolucaraven]

I don't think Gino cost us the playoffs. The Ravens offense just suck overall and the predictable playing calling didnt help either. We would have been in the playoffs if we were a bit more creative in the pass game.

I dont know. They lost so many close games. Gino was Horrible in both pass protection and run game, most plays were stopped before they started. Pees told me GG

was so bad in TC he couldnt evaulate his defense.

You know a player sucks when Ozzie trades for a replacement in just one year after GG was a 4th rounder

and already given up on.

GG has no business in pro football. Huge draft gaffe just like Jah Reid. GG as stated by Pees "wouldnt start for most colleges" thats quite a statement. Then KO got hurt and Shipley couldnt play Center cause Reid was so awful. I will happy to never see GG and Shipley ever play à down a game.

[DocMartin]

I see some folks saying Tampa Bay O-Line sucked last year. Well, ours did too. Do we have any comparison stats, how did they ranked? I know Bucs had couple.games where our Ex-Raven 3rd string Bobby Rainey was over 100 yds rushing and 2TDs. Makes me wonder how "bad" their Line really was?

[BaltimoreBean]

I dont know. They lost so many close games. Gino was Horrible in both pass protection and run game, most plays were stopped before they started. Pees told me GG

was so bad in TC he couldnt evaulate his defense.

You know a player sucks when Ozzie trades for a replacement in just one year after GG was a 4th rounder

and already given up on.

GG has no business in pro football. Huge draft gaffe just like Jah Reid. GG as stated by Pees "wouldnt start for most colleges" thats quite a statement. Then KO got hurt and Shipley couldnt play Center cause Reid was so awful. I will happy to never see GG and Shipley ever play à down a game.

When did Dean Pees state that?

[The Raven]

I dont know. They lost so many close games. Gino was Horrible in both pass protection and run game, most plays were stopped before they started. Pees told me GG

was so bad in TC he couldnt evaulate his defense.

You know a player sucks when Ozzie trades for a replacement in just one year after GG was a 4th rounder

and already given up on.

GG has no business in pro football. Huge draft gaffe just like Jah Reid. GG as stated by Pees "wouldnt start for most colleges" thats quite a statement. Then KO got hurt and Shipley couldnt play Center cause Reid was so awful. I will happy to never see GG and Shipley ever play à down a game.

 

Do you have a source, do you really know Pees, or are you talking out of your but?

[757RavensFan]

Do you have a source, do you really know Pees, or are you talking out of your but?

No, no, and yes...would be my guess.

[The Raven]

No, no, and yes...would be my guess.

 

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm eagerly awaiting a reply

[jazz1988]

I dont know. They lost so many close games. Gino was Horrible in both pass protection and run game, most plays were stopped before they started. Pees told me GG

was so bad in TC he couldnt evaulate his defense.

You know a player sucks when Ozzie trades for a replacement in just one year after GG was a 4th rounder

and already given up on.

GG has no business in pro football. Huge draft gaffe just like Jah Reid. GG as stated by Pees "wouldnt start for most colleges" thats quite a statement. Then KO got hurt and Shipley couldnt play Center cause Reid was so awful. I will happy to never see GG and Shipley ever play à down a game.

 

 

I don't believe in the idea that a player/human being can't improve.  I still to this day don't understand why we made Juan Castillo the offensive line coach when we knew the whole time he favored bigger/mauler type offense linemen which is something  Gino is not. 

 

I think its a little harsh to say Gino has no business in pro football but thats your opinion. Our offensive line in general was terrible even Yanda  look bad at times.

[DocMartin]

GG has no business in pro football. Huge draft gaffe just like Jah Reid. GG as stated by Pees "wouldnt start for most colleges" thats quite a statement. Then KO got hurt and Shipley couldnt play Center cause Reid was so awful. I will happy to never see GG and Shipley ever play à down a game.

I think thats going "little" overboard. Latt Birk stated Gino was "good player with growing pains". The question is How Much Pain Can Ravens Fans Take to watch him in the game? It may be more beneficial to all of us to keep him on bench as a backup.

Shipley is a Question Mark. When playing Center spot he was at times worst than Gino. But when he stepped in at LG he held his own, supprisingly. He wasn't great, but he was somewhat okay. But when you combine Gino and Shipley next to each other in the middle - terrible results. But I still say Shipley deserves a shot at LG starter spot.

[jazz1988]

Do you have a source, do you really know Pees, or are you talking out of your but?

 

He doesn't have  a source and he posted the same thing last year over at russellstreetreport.com . 

[DocMartin]

Do you have a source, do you really know Pees, or are you talking out of your but?

Hahaha, tolucaraven is talking out of bis butt, dat is 100% YES.

Dean Pees would never made comment like that to anyone, anyway

I see the O-Line forming on the horizon

LT Monroe - LG Shipley maybe? - C Zuttah - RG Yanda - RT Osemele

[tolucaraven]

Yes. I know Dean Pees. He is a client of mine in an outdoor guide service. I got banned from Russell Street Report when i revealed my source and that i worked with him. I posted that he was "so awful" from what i was told BEFORE the season started. One moderator only was à jealous, spineless girly man, the others were cool over thier. Houstonraven was the Jealous mod. I also knew Ray Rice was overweight cause his tailor is my college buddy from TSU, told me so. I have zero other connections. That tailor makes alot of custom suites for many of the Ravens. Truth.

[Sami84]

Hahaha, tolucaraven is talking out of bis butt, dat is 100% YES.

Dean Pees would never made comment like that to anyone, anyway

I see the O-Line forming on the horizon

LT Monroe - LG Shipley maybe? - C Zuttah - RG Yanda - RT Osemele

 

Thats not much of an O line. Wouldnt be scared if i was the opposing d-line. I feel we have too many holes and not enough star quality. We are an ok team, but roster/talent wise we are middle of the park

[DocMartin]

Thats not much of an O line. Wouldnt be scared if i was the opposing d-line. I feel we have too many holes and not enough star quality. We are an ok team, but roster/talent wise we are middle of the park

Well, how was our O-Line when we went on the SuperBowl run, was it scary? What was it?

LT McKinnie LG Osemele? C Birk RG Yanda RT Oher

And somehow they made it work. As long we can duplicate that we might make another run at it. And it starts with Winning Our Division.

[jazz1988]

Thats not much of an O line. Wouldnt be scared if i was the opposing d-line. I feel we have too many holes and not enough star quality. We are an ok team, but roster/talent wise we are middle of the park

 

 

I'm fine with that because you don't win games base off great talent alone. The Eagles in  2011 and 2012 should be good example of that. I know for some fans it sucks that we haven't made the big free agent signings like Denver, New England and but I wouldn't have it any other way. 

[DocMartin]

I'm fine with that because you don't win games base off great talent alone. The Eagles in 2011 and 2012 should be good example of that. I know for some fans it sucks that we haven't made the big free agent signings like Denver, New England and but I wouldn't have it any other way.

Agreed 100%. Hey maybe the Colts would knock off the Broncos and Ravens would knock off Pafsies and then we could have AFC Championship Game RAVENS against COLTS. Wouldn't that be great?

[jazz1988]

Agreed 100%. Hey maybe the Colts would knock off the Broncos and Ravens would knock off Pafsies and then we could have AFC Championship Game RAVENS against COLTS. Wouldn't that be great?

 

Yeah that would be great lol. 

[Inqui]

I understand your point but, using that same logic, we could presume that Yanda is questionable as to his usefulness since he "was part of a  Ravens o-line that wasn't good last year". Although none of us make that assumption. Zuttah could very well be the victim of being surrounded by poor quality players and/or poor coaching or schemes.

 

 

At least I hope that is the case.

I'm happy to give Gary Kubiak the benefit of the doubt on that one to be honest.

[gilgamesh]

Hahaha, tolucaraven is talking out of bis butt, dat is 100% YES.

Dean Pees would never made comment like that to anyone, anyway

I see the O-Line forming on the horizon

LT Monroe - LG Shipley maybe? - C Zuttah - RG Yanda - RT Osemele

I hope not, Shipley was just as bad as Gino.  They were bad individually, and together they haunt Flacco's dreams.  Neither of them should start.  Keep KO as guard and look for a RT in the draft.

[DocMartin]

Drafting RT is certainly good idea, but no Rookie will digest playbook and become a starter overnjght. Most likely be spending time on bench or Practice Squad for 8 weeks, at least. LG spot is wide open - for someone who is familiar.with system or NFL experience - Shipley, Wagner, Jensen, Reid or whoever, as long as they get the job done.

[airconteka1]

I hope KO stays at LG and they find a RT though draft/FA. Not sure how Wagner is looking after a year but he looked pretty average at the start of the year.

[DocMartin]

Come on fellas, you trying to draft a rookie and make him a Pro-Bowler in 8 weeks? This is not Madden Football. Not every rookie you draft will turn into a starter, remember Sergio Kindle - Raven's 1st round pick few years ago? Or how about Payton Manning's Rookie year? Yeah, Payton looked pretty crappy and team went 4-12 that year. PLAYOFFS? WHAT PLAYOFFS?