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Ed Dickson?...?   71 members have voted

  1. 1. Who should we spend the cap space and money on?

    • 5th string TE Ed Dickson
    • FS Thomas decoud
    • FS Chris Clemons
    • OT Eric Winston
    • C Brian De La Puente
    • C Fernando Velasco
    • C Will Montgomery
    • C Jonathan Goodwin

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Ed Dickson has had his chances and we are not sitting pretty with our O line and FS situation. So why resign dickson?? I feel we should cut ties with him and go in a direction that will benefit the team. We desperately needed him to step up last year, and I feel he let us down. Not completely but I think we expected more then what he gave. So unless he plays for free, I feel the FO should invest elsewhere. What y'all think?

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Neither. Address things through the draft.

We still have to resign Jimmy and Torrey next year. Save the cap for our own so we will have our nucleus for three years or so.

Also next year Mackcould be unrestricted if we are feeling fancy and can afford it. We have also given funk another year to see if he is as bad as we think. Unless a camp cut happens we should quit while we are ahead.

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9 million in cap space - 5 million for draft/final 2 roster spots/emergency leaves about 4 million to play with. A veteran center, RT, and FS would be my priorities.

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I doubt Dickson's contract is that much of a cap hit being as we have waited until the second week to offer him one. That tells me other teams aren't coming to call. Dickson would be good depth and Kubiak's offense utilizes the TE alot. I think we address OL and FS with second tier FA our training camp cuts. I see us going WR in the first round and building depth on the line in other rounds. I also expect us to pick up a QB to be a backup/groom project. Ozzie's right player right price mantra will win out. Don't think we aren't done with cuts either.

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I think everyone just needs to take a chill pill and wait. If we spend all of our money right now, what happens if others players come who are better and sign for cheaper. Ozzie is the best in the business and know's exactly what he is doing right now. The market is completely dead for the players who are still out there and they will be there for some time. There is a reason teams are not contacting them. I can see us making 1-2 more moves before/right after the draft to add some veterans for our rookie class. For now I don't see us signing anyone that's out there. 

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I'm still hoping that the Ravens last 2 key, off-season acquisitions will be Chris Clemons and Brian De La Punete.

 

Clemons will provide very solid coverage back deep; and, although he isn't a ball-hawk, he appears to smart and knows where the football is. Clemons can sign for a small, yet decent contract for two-or-three years. I'm not a fan of DeCoud, otherwise (as he's completely hit-or-miss and it would pretty much be another Michael Huff situation, honestly). I just hope the Ravens don't overvalue Haha Clinton-Dix or Calvin Pryor and draft them with their first-round pick; neither seem to be that great in a year were there the draft isn't deep with safeties.

 

As for De La Punete, he is the best, possible center left on the free agent market. I can't trust Gino Gradkowski at center, any longer. In fact, I think he's better suited for guard (i.e. The position he mostly played in college.) in large part due to lacking the mentality to play at center in the NFL.

 

After that, I think the Ravens will move Kelechi Osemele back to right guard (while Ricky Wagner remains the back-up); and, it's looking like Zack Martin will be drafted by Baltimore, which would be an ideal move, as he can play left guard in a zone-blocking scheme, will also having the ability to play tackle, as well.

 

Are we moving Yanda somewhere?

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if we draft martin i think he could play anywhere along the line. Keep KO at LG

Exactly and if Martin isn't great at RT, we can kick Martin to LG and try Osemele at RT. Just having more options and having guys we know who are successful is what we need on our line. We invested in a franchise QB, now its time to protect him. 

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A veteran center. Then look at tying up Torrey maybe if there is any money left. But Dickson is hardly going to eat up any appreciable cap space. We could keep him for a song. Who else is going to want him?

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Neither. Address things through the draft.

We still have to resign Jimmy and Torrey next year. Save the cap for our own so we will have our nucleus for three years or so.

Also next year Mackcould be unrestricted if we are feeling fancy and can afford it. We have also given funk another year to see if he is as bad as we think. Unless a camp cut happens we should quit while we are ahead.

Just a small point, but the Ravens I believe actually exercised their option with Jimmy, so we actually control him for 2 more years as opposed to this being the final year or Torrey's deal. Now I still think we need to sign him long term so that shouldn't change too much in the overall scheme of things 

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Bring in a center and Chris Clemons.

 Its really a shame we probably won't get Alex Mack, that would be our best situation to be honest. According to reports, the old regime would let Mack walk in FA and tag Ward. What a shame. Nevertheless, getting De La Puente and preferable Clemons (or even Decoud) would be second best to getting Alex Mack. 

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 Its really a shame we probably won't get Alex Mack, that would be our best situation to be honest. According to reports, the old regime would let Mack walk in FA and tag Ward. What a shame. Nevertheless, getting De La Puente and preferable Clemons (or even Decoud) would be second best to getting Alex Mack. 

 

Actually, I'd rather get de la Puente over Mack - Mack is definitely an elite center, but the question would be do you need an elite center, or could you live with a very good one like DLP and still have the advantage of leftover money for other positions? If the choice is between either just Mack or DLP and Clemons together, I like the second option better and it's what I'm hoping for.

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I prefer to save it, invest in locking up jimmy and torrey we need them and prefer to spend the money on them so they don't get close to FA next year, I heard the cap will increase again next year and hope that FA will be better next year

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9 million in cap space - 5 million for draft/final 2 roster spots/emergency leaves about 4 million to play with. A veteran center, RT, and FS would be my priorities.

 

I'm pretty sure our rookie cap hit will not be $5M this year.  We will only have 8 picks max going into this draft, vs. the 12 we had last year, and our rookie signings last year was only like $1.2M against our salary cap or something, at least at the time of this article which better explains how the rookie pool works against the salary cap and how it's less than people think: http://russellstreetreport.com/An-Explanation-of-how-the-Rookie-Salary-Cap-Really-Work/

 

I'm not sure what it actually wound up being, but it couldn't have been much more than that.  

 

OTC right now has our estimated rookie cap hit at $1.7M before comp picks, of which we're expected to receive 4 (Kruger, Ellerbe, Reed, Williams), which would give us 8 total.  So that $1.7M is based off a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th round pick.  Even if that $1.7M estimate doubles, that'd only be $3.4M.  Either way, the draft won't require $5M of our current $9M salary cap space.

 

http://overthecap.com/initial-nfl-rookie-pool-estimates/

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I'm pretty sure our rookie cap hit will not be $5M this year. We will only have 8 picks max going into this draft, vs. the 12 we had last year, and our rookie signings last year was only like $1.2M against our salary cap or something, at least at the time of this article which better explains how the rookie pool works against the salary cap and how it's less than people think: http://russellstreetreport.com/An-Explanation-of-how-the-Rookie-Salary-Cap-Really-Work/

I'm not sure what it actually wound up being, but it couldn't have been much more than that.

OTC right now has our estimated rookie cap hit at $1.7M before comp picks, of which we're expected to receive 4 (Kruger, Ellerbe, Reed, Williams), which would give us 8 total. So that $1.7M is based off a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th round pick. Even if that $1.7M estimate doubles, that'd only be $3.4M. Either way, the draft won't require $5M of our current $9M salary cap space.

http://overthecap.com/initial-nfl-rookie-pool-estimates/

Did you even read what I said? Rookie contracts + filling out the final 53 + emergency cap room in case of injuries/mid season signings.

Teams never spend all the way to the cap.

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Thomas Decoud is a great safety, with the playmaking and coverage skills we need at FS. Coming off a down year he could be had at a great price and is a signing i hope ozzie makes.

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Did you even read what I said? Rookie contracts + filling out the final 53 + emergency cap room in case of injuries/mid season signings.

Teams never spend all the way to the cap.

Yeah, I don't think he did. Such a wasted long post.

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This is just for your info~

I didn't vote for him, but kind of impressive

Brian de la puente 6-3 308lbs undrafted in 2008 as a OG.

Ranked 48 out of 176 offensive gaurds

40 time: 5.40.

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Did you even read what I said? Rookie contracts + filling out the final 53 + emergency cap room in case of injuries/mid season signings.

Teams never spend all the way to the cap.

Yeah I definitely misinterpreted it haha, whoops

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If we cant get ebron from north carolina or sign daniels why not go after dickson. He will not affect the cap drastically and might flourish in Kubiaks system. He had a bad year but so did a lot of players on the offensive side of the ball. We have a new wrs coach and tes coach that could possibly fix him. Frustenberg is not ready and if he is we will still need 3 tes. Just like we need 3 rbs. Save the picks for lineman and a free safety. Sign Dickson to a 2 or 3year deal so if he doesnt improve he can be cut.

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I'm just curious about what Ravens FO offered Ed Dickson.... $20 a catch?lol they should pay him by the catch though, maybe he would do better and help us win games. Just saying

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I'm just curious about what Ravens FO offered Ed Dickson.... $20 a catch?lol they should pay him by the catch though, maybe he would do better and help us win games. Just saying

The NFL requires a set salary. I believe that Dickson is considered a veteran now, and the vet minimum is $850,000 per year. There is room for bonuses however, such as an extra 10k for every TD, etc.

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I'm still hoping that the Ravens last 2 key, off-season acquisitions will be Chris Clemons and Brian De La Punete.

 

Clemons will provide very solid coverage back deep; and, although he isn't a ball-hawk, he appears to smart and knows where the football is. Clemons can sign for a small, yet decent contract for two-or-three years. I'm not a fan of DeCoud, otherwise (as he's completely hit-or-miss and it would pretty much be another Michael Huff situation, honestly). I just hope the Ravens don't overvalue Haha Clinton-Dix or Calvin Pryor and draft them with their first-round pick; neither seem to be that great in a year were there the draft isn't deep with safeties.

 

As for De La Punete, he is the best, possible center left on the free agent market. I can't trust Gino Gradkowski at center, any longer. In fact, I think he's better suited for guard (i.e. The position he mostly played in college.) in large part due to lacking the mentality to play at center in the NFL.

 

After that, I think the Ravens will move Kelechi Osemele back to right TACKLE (while Ricky Wagner remains the back-up); and, it's looking like Zack Martin will be drafted by Baltimore, which would be an ideal move, as he can play left guard in a zone-blocking scheme, will also having the ability to play tackle, as well.

 

EDIT: Meant to say, "move Kelechi Osemele back to right TACKLE"; my bad.

Now that would be a serious o-line upgrade. I hope you are right!

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we're in a good position and Ozzie knows what he's doing.

 

I'll rather save the money and spend it on next year's offseason, where both Smithses are free agents, than using up the rest of the cap on the remaining free agents.

 

There's reason why Clemons and La Puente are still out there.

 

We might be waiting for them to lower their price or waiting on players to be cut.

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