Dean Pees

[ravensdfan]

Actually, in 2000, we mostly got our pressure with four. I've seen games from back then and we didn't blitz any more than the average team. 

 

The top five defenses last year were Seattle, Carolina, Cincy, New Orleans, and San Fran. Seattle, Carolina, and Cincy especially rely on their front four alone for pressure. The league leader in sacks last year, the Panthers, don't blitz that much. They just have a dominant front four. The Patriots rarely rush more than four and they finished in 5th with 48 sacks.

 

Like I said. Good defenses can get pressure with four, and there's not a defensive coach in the league that'll tell you different. 

 

Also, to reiterate, blitzing gets you killed by teams with a good passing game. Not even debatable. 

 

 

Dude, we ran a tampa 2 4-3 defense in 2000. That's a straight four man rush. It's basically the same defense Marvin Lewis still runs in Cincy.

 

Both wrong. We ran a zone blitz scheme ( I was speaking of blitzes specifically, perhaps that was unclear) and usually rushed 5, or dropped like rushing 3 and one or two came up from the edges. Using the same disguised zone blitz with four.

 

It is actually a fairly conservative blitzing scheme - 80-90% of the time blocking out the ability for a big play downfield. Pees has never ever ever used this.

[GrimCoconut]

Didn't he have a pretty rubbish set of defenders though?

 

I also think Spagnulo would be a better complement to Kubiak's scheme, while Pees was better with Cam's. At this point I'm really just spitballing, but it could be an interesting thing to consider if Pees doesn't work out in the near future.

At this point, I don't care what we do I just want to see traditional Ravens defense where we punch people in the nose and take their lunch money and then beat them senselessly with it and then win the game. I miss that. We need that back in a bad way. Spagnuolo or whoever I would happily take to upgrade this defense. 

[ravensdfan]

At this point, I don't care what we do I just want to see traditional Ravens defense where we punch people in the nose and take their lunch money and then beat them senselessly with it and then win the game. I miss that. We need that back in a bad way. Spagnuolo or whoever I would happily take to upgrade this defense. 

 

Yes exactly. This "bend but don't break" thing doesn't work when they always break late in the 4th.

[BSHU_Miami]

Given how important ball control is for our offence, I wouldn't mind a more aggressive DC coming in. In a perfect world, we'd run the clock down by continually moving the chains and keep our defence fresh to make plays.

 

Just to throw a name out there, what would everyone think of promoting Steve Spagnulo? Iirc his specialty is creating fun times with a front four.

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[BSHU_Miami]

Just for the record i'm all for promoting Spags. Like an earlier poster said, I believe this is all in the works since Spags is our assistant head coach.  I'm hoping it happens soon. Like after the Steelers game.

[pep_meister]

Just for the record i'm all for promoting Spags. Like an earlier poster said, I believe this is all in the works since Spags is our assistant head coach.  I'm hoping it happens soon. Like after the Steelers game.

like before the steelers game. his audition has gone on long enough....

[ravensdfan]

like before the steelers game. his audition has gone on long enough....

 

Don't think that will happen. We only have 3 days. They're not going to do that kind of shake up with a 3 day turnaround. 

 

I'd be very surprised. Though I do think if the defense doesn't become what we all expect it will happen mid-season at the latest.

[pep_meister]

Don't think that will happen. We only have 3 days. They're not going to do that kind of shake up with a 3 day turnaround. 

 

I'd be very surprised. Though I do think if the defense doesn't become what we all expect it will happen mid-season at the latest.

wishful thinking. i just want suggs crushing skulls and abusing Benny boy so bad he cant reproduce.I want doomerville to light up leveon bell... ngata to toast a legarette blount, i want jimmy smith to kick antonio brown in the face and become an instant social media gif..... please.... is that too much to ask for?

[ratedr]

Just for the record i'm all for promoting Spags. Like an earlier poster said, I believe this is all in the works since Spags is our assistant head coach.  I'm hoping it happens soon. Like after the Steelers game.

Spags is likely the dude who convinced the team that Stewart is worth something. No thanks.

[Fred Sanford]

Most of Spagnuolo's success was with NYG saying "Hey Michael Strahan/Jason Pierre-Paul, Osi Umenyiora and Justin in your primes, get the quarterback and everyone else cover."  Same guy with poor personnel in NO couldn't do anything, that suggests a guy who's only as good as his pieces, like most coaches.

[Tru11]

not sure if spag knows how to run the 3-4.

 

also not sure why everybody is jumping on pees.

 

other then the AJ Green TD , the defense played pretty good.

also that green TD was chyckie fault and no idea where stewart was on that play.

 

i still rather have brooks there since he is more of a FS then stewart.

[RaineV1]

not sure if spag knows how to run the 3-4.

 

also not sure why everybody is jumping on pees.

 

other then the AJ Green TD , the defense played pretty good.

also that green TD was chyckie fault and no idea where stewart was on that play.

 

i still rather have brooks there since he is more of a FS then stewart.

They didn't really play that well though. They didn't get to Dalton, they didn't tip passes, they didn't get turnovers, and they couldn't force punts in the first half. Overall, they were a fairly mediocre, bend don't break defense. And that's not good enough when you look at the people we have playing on defense.

[carolinaswampfox]

We could always bring Mattison back with the deadly 3 man rush. To be fair I've blamed the D a lot of times but a true FS should help. If the D can't hold leads or make the crucial stop to give the O one more chance(which happened a lot last year) then Pees should be on the hot seat if not fired.

You'll have to wait until week 7 for Will Hill, who is a true free safety, who can tackle, cover and make big plays

[Blackbirds Rule]

I just don't understand why Pees doesn't play situations at the end of games. We're up they are doing dink and dunk passes all game. We just scored and took the lead. They are going to have to go down the field and get into field goal range for the lead or win depending on how much time they can run off. Why wouldn't Pees go to Jimmy Smith and say you shadow AJ Green? Chykie Brown had an okay game up until that point. When I saw the deep ball and saw Brown running from behind I knew it was over. Our FS has to have Brown' s back. He can't get there late and let him walk into the endzone. If Smith is on Green I don't think that play happens. We may give up a field goal late and have to get our own field goal to win the game.

[berad]

They didn't really play that well though. They didn't get to Dalton, they didn't tip passes, they didn't get turnovers, and they couldn't force punts in the first half. Overall, they were a fairly mediocre, bend don't break defense. And that's not good enough when you look at the people we have playing on defense.

 

Exactly, they were ok. Like you said, no pass-rush, no great pass-D, no turnovers (or even close), and couldn't get off the field on 3rd down. In the stadium, they ran a stat saying the Ravens had 7 total 3rd down stops... as the kicker was lining up for his 6th FG attempt. That should say a lot. They did their patented 'bend but don't break' thing for most of the game.

[BmoreBird22]

Just echoing someone else's thought on the lack of pass rush, but the Bengals seemed very committed to getting the ball out very quickly and not have Dalton hold onto the ball. That likely neutralizer the pass rush more than people are noticing

[RaineV1]

Just echoing someone else's thought on the lack of pass rush, but the Bengals seemed very committed to getting the ball out very quickly and not have Dalton hold onto the ball. That likely neutralizer the pass rush more than people are noticing

I think the real problem lies in the fact that they couldn't get to Dalton but at the same time, they still allowed those short passes to always eat up four to five yards at a time. So even in trying to keep people back and covering the short routes, it still didn't work. It seems like in the past, the Ravens would swarm runners and recievers on short routes, keeping any gain to a short one and forcing a long third down. Now it seems like they always give up yards after the catch or after the point of contact and they never end up in situations where they can let loose and go after people.

[BmoreBird22]

I think the real problem lies in the fact that they couldn't get to Dalton but at the same time, they still allowed those short passes to always eat up four to five yards at a time. So even in trying to keep people back and covering the short routes, it still didn't work. It seems like in the past, the Ravens would swarm runners and recievers on short routes, keeping any gain to a short one and forcing a long third down. Now it seems like they always give up yards after the catch or after the point of contact and they never end up in situations where they can let loose and go after people.

They couldn't get to Dalton because of those short routes, but yes, it was a problem to allow so much YAC

[GrimCoconut]

I still think the two biggest problems for this defense is at FS and pass rush and I'd argue that a better FS would improve our pass rush by making Dalton or any QB think a half a second longer allowing us to get that much more time to get the QB. It would also help with turnovers. These are the two biggest weaknesses on the defense since we lost Reed.

[BBoogieMan]

Some of it is scheme, Pees just doesn't run press coverage enough, IMO. But, let's get back to football basics. YAC was given up partly for poor tackling which this team, under a few DC's (Pagano, Mattison, Pees) has not performed well consistently. Outside of Webby, our DBs especially, can't execute sound progress-halt forceful tackling. Elam looked terrible yesterday. I expect more of him. Iggy wasn't bad for us, now in DET. Also, we can't seem to shed blocks quickly even to make tackles or generate consistent, quick pass pressure.

[RaineV1]

I still think the two biggest problems for this defense is at FS and pass rush and I'd argue that a better FS would improve our pass rush by making Dalton or any QB think a half a second longer allowing us to get that much more time to get the QB. It would also help with turnovers. These are the two biggest weaknesses on the defense since we lost Reed.

After Stewart's performance, I want to see Brooks given a shot at starting. As a rookie, he'll definitely make mistake, but at least he has the speed to make up to potentially a mistake, and the aggression to take out a receiver right away. Stewart just doesn't seem to have the instincts or speed for a free safety. He could be a good strong safety but not free safety.

[5aiah]

Just echoing someone else's thought on the lack of pass rush, but the Bengals seemed very committed to getting the ball out very quickly and not have Dalton hold onto the ball. That likely neutralizer the pass rush more than people are noticing

Aren't they still a west coast offense?

[BmoreBird22]

Aren't they still a west coast offense?

I'd have to imagine they are

[5aiah]

I'd have to imagine they are

So people are complaining about not getting pressure on an offense designed to get the ball out extremely quickly. An offense designed to dink and dunk their way to a TD but ended up getting only one(and one that could have been allowed by defensive design). A offense that requires multiple defenders to lock in on one star receiver yet stop the run game and screen passes. An offense more talented than our defense. 

[BmoreBird22]

So people are complaining about not getting pressure on an offense designed to get the ball out extremely quickly. An offense designed to dink and dunk their way to a TD but ended up getting only one(and one that could have been allowed by defensive design). A offense that requires multiple defenders to lock in on one star receiver yet stop the run game and screen passes. An offense more talented than our defense.

People don't seem to think like that. They don't understand it's not as black and white as, "No sacks? No pass rush."

[DomMcRaven]

Well it seems that Pees' name is being brought after every game, I gotta wake this "once-dormant" thread up. You know what time it is.......lol.

[CalvinSmoke]

Pees is doing what he can with what he has. We've been spoiled with coaches that could work miracles.

[DomMcRaven]

Pees is doing what he can with what he has. We've been spoiled with coaches that could work miracles.

That I agree with. Everybody should be held accountable including the players. But shout out to them for stepping up late in the 4th quarter though.

[BSHU_Miami]

Pees is doing what he can with what he has. We've been spoiled with coaches that could work miracles.

I think we have better talent on defense than given credit for. we have 5 first rounders starting. A few pro bowlers

[ravensdfan]

I think we have better talent on defense than given credit for. we have 5 first rounders starting. A few pro bowlers

 

Yeah we hear this same story every year where Pees is concerned. Players are hurt, players don't execute, players don't tackle, players are slow. Man Ozzie must be really slipping up during the draft the last couple seasons. Don't know why some are so quick to defend him. This is an ongoing issue, not just this year or this game.