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The defense was good last year, but I feel we would be much better as an attacking aggressive defense. Luckily we don't have to look very far for a new DC. I would love for Spags to get the promotion and run this defense. Spags is the coach IMO that would take the defense to the next level.

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I thought Pees performance was outstanding last season.

 

Keep in mind.

 

The offense was three and out city.

The offense on numerous occasions put the defense behind the eight ball with in a high amount of turnovers.

The defense had no centerfielder  and attempting to defend with two SS because of the failed Micheal Huff experiment. (Not MMQBing here because I liked the move, facts are facts though.)

Both previous mentioned combined for a -5 turnover differential good for 22nd in the league.

Finished in the top 5 in red zone scoring (TD's) and getting off the field on 3rd down.

The team finished in the top ten in most if not all defensive metrics and would have been better if the offense not played historically poor. (see worst running game in history)

 

I'd caution be careful what you wish for see Moeller/Castillo experiment.

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Does anyone else feel like this is a make or break year for Pees? The defense was good last year, but I feel we would be much better as an attacking aggressive defense. Luckily we don't have to look very far for a new DC. I would love for Spags to get the promotion and run this defense. Spags is the coach IMO that would take the defense to the next level.

Dan did do a decent job last year not so much when it counted,but I have often said we need to get back to our aggressive roots ORGANIZED CHAOS,,,I do not see that in pees he is decent DC,we are a harbo team ,,,, 

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I thought Pees performance was outstanding last season.

 

Keep in mind.

 

The offense was three and out city.

The offense on numerous occasions put the defense behind the eight ball with in a high amount of turnovers.

The defense had no centerfielder  and attempting to defend with two SS because of the failed Micheal Huff experiment. (Not MMQBing here because I liked the move, facts are facts though.)

Both previous mentioned combined for a -5 turnover differential good for 22nd in the league.

Finished in the top 5 in red zone scoring (TD's) and getting off the field on 3rd down.

The team finished in the top ten in most if not all defensive metrics and would have been better if the offense not played historically poor. (see worst running game in history)

 

I'd caution be careful what you wish for see Moeller/Castillo experiment.

Preach it. Pees has done a great job with what we have given him

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I thought Pees performance was outstanding last season.

 

Keep in mind.

 

The offense was three and out city.

The offense on numerous occasions put the defense behind the eight ball with in a high amount of turnovers.

The defense had no centerfielder  and attempting to defend with two SS because of the failed Micheal Huff experiment. (Not MMQBing here because I liked the move, facts are facts though.)

Both previous mentioned combined for a -5 turnover differential good for 22nd in the league.

Finished in the top 5 in red zone scoring (TD's) and getting off the field on 3rd down.

The team finished in the top ten in most if not all defensive metrics and would have been better if the offense not played historically poor. (see worst running game in history)

 

I'd caution be careful what you wish for see Moeller/Castillo experiment.

 

Yes sir!

 

#Mili

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As Hardbaugh pointed out, I dont see how its "make or break" for Pees when the defense improved in nearly every category. The fourth quarter slip ups in several games were as much to do with our largely futile offense and new defensive pieces still getting their chemistry going as it was with Pees' playcalling. Im sure there were some things he may have been able to do better in hindsight but nothing to make this a figurative do or die season for him.

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I'd hardly call it make or break. He's a fine defensive coordinator, and while he had his lapses late in the game, I think that's fixable.

I feel his biggest problem is just not being aggressive enough. If he were more blitz heavy or more exotic, I think we'd be better, but the Ravens certainly aren't bad.

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Does anyone else feel like this is a make or break year for Pees? The defense was good last year, but I feel we would be much better as an attacking aggressive defense. Luckily we don't have to look very far for a new DC. I would love for Spags to get the promotion and run this defense. Spags is the coach IMO that would take the defense to the next level.

Pass rush wise Spags is one of the better ones when it comes to generating pressure with 4, but I question his ability as a DC for an entire defense when theres not 4 studs on the Dline.

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Pees has done a good job. I agree with everything Hardbaugh said. If the offense wasn't so terrible last season, the defensive statistics would have been much, much better.  Pees usually calls a pretty good game, and often some of the defensive lapses that happened from time to time last year were just piss poor execution rather than having the wrong defense or personnel on the field.

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Also with Ngata's decline it's hard to rush 4 anymore.  When Pagano was here Ngata was dominant.  Now he's a shadow of himself.  

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If we had a middle of the road offense last year, that defense would've been borderline top 5. The amount of time the defense was on the field skewed the numbers they gave up. I'll give Pees credit, he dealt with a lot of injuries our SB year and a lot of moving parts last year. Ngata being terrible and injured, Suggs and Dumervil both slowing down and getting injured by the halfway point, playing 2 SS's next to each other, and webb playing not as good after knee surgery didn't help things. We took our defense for granted last year. they were the sole reason we were close to contending. heck, we won a game without scoring a touchdown.  

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If we had a middle of the road offense last year, that defense would've been borderline top 5. The amount of time the defense was on the field skewed the numbers they gave up. I'll give Pees credit, he dealt with a lot of injuries our SB year and a lot of moving parts last year. Ngata being terrible and injured, Suggs and Dumervil both slowing down and getting injured by the halfway point, playing 2 SS's next to each other, and webb playing not as good after knee surgery didn't help things. We took our defense for granted last year. they were the sole reason we were close to contending. heck, we won a game without scoring a touchdown.

The defense was really not on the field all that much. TOP was generally in our favor going into the 4th quarter and didn't shift until the defense gave up a long drive. Also fact: the overall TOP for the year was darn near even.

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The defense was really not on the field all that much. TOP was generally in our favor going into the 4th quarter and didn't shift until the defense gave up a long drive. Also fact: the overall TOP for the year was darn near even.

 

Even in amount of snaps too? Its an observation but it definitely felt like the D was always on the field.

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I don't think it's a make or break year for Pees but let's clear up a few things.

 

The defense did not "improve" from the previous year. Their ranking improved, yes, which only means more teams performed worse than they did ( or fewer teams performed better, however you want to slice it.)

 

2012 D stats:

 

21.5 pts a game/350 yds a game/ 228 yds passing/122 yds rushing

 

2013 stats:

 

22 pts a game (actually worse than 2012)/ 335 yds a game (15 yds better)/230 passing yds (worse)/105 rushing yds (17 yds better)

 

comparitively speaking, the defense played pretty much the same except for their 4th quarter meltdowns in 2013, something the 2012 squad did not do.

 

The 2013 squad also managed over 200 more yds in penalties. 

 

So no Pees didn't do all that great, the defense remained status quo from the previous year except they gave up at the end of games and committed more penalties.

 

edit: to answer the snap count question:

 

In 2012 the offense ran 1134 snaps the defense ran 1107 (give or take a snap or two).

In 2013 the offense ran 1205 snaps the defense ran 1152 (give or take a snap or two).

 

 

LOL@ the neg. All facts people, get over it.

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Statistically the defense did not improve, but statistically the offense last year was one of the worst in Ravens history and certainly wasn't helping the defense out any.  All the people clamoring for an aggressive defense, it's hard to play aggressive when you're behind on D because screwing up means you're going to get burned even worse and fall further behind. During the 2012-2013 playoffs the defense performed quite well - 9 points to Indy, 13 to the Pats, 21 defensive points (35 - the two return TDs) to Peyton Manning's Broncos, and we played an excellent first half in the Superbowl.  Came unglued when they gave up 25 second half points to the 49ers in the Superbowl, but that's it.  I'm far more concerned about the offense sustaining drives and scoring more points - that would help the defense out more than any changes to that side of the ball.

 

Also I tend to see a coordinator's fingerprints on the area he coached positionally.  Pees was the linebackers coach, and in 2012 Kruger and Ellerbe both had breakout seasons that earned nice paychecks, and in 2013 Sizzle, Doom, and Smith combined for almost 25 sacks.

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I think he is going to unleash Elam in the box this year.  He had to be conservative last year.  I remember Harbo saying at the presser that he wants to be more aggressive on D this year!  Good News!

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I think Peas will get more aggressive with a fixed offense. We HAD to play conservative alot of times.

 

I hope you're correct but he wasn't any more aggressive in 2012 when we did get leads in games nor in the post season.

 

Rushing 3 (or a disguised 4) on 3rd and forever is beyond conservative, it is foolish.

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Maybe make or break was a bad way to put it. But we can get better. Hopefully someone signs him on on their staff after this year

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We could always bring Mattison back with the deadly 3 man rush. To be fair I've blamed the D a lot of times but a true FS should help. If the D can't hold leads or make the crucial stop to give the O one more chance(which happened a lot last year) then Pees should be on the hot seat if not fired.

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pees isn't THAT vanilla of a DC, hes kinda conservative but he seems to be conservative at the right times, and dials up the blitz at the right times. at the end of the season it was a plain lack of execution for the most part, our pass rush fell off the face of the earth and nobody was winning their 1-on-1's. hes not a greg mattison by any means, and I thought he did a great job dialing up a defense that made up for our terrible offense enough to go 8-8.

 

our offense got the short end of the stick though with mckinnie taking a vacation and gino being way worse then we expected, and oher deciding to call it quits on the team, AND ko getting put on IR.. it was a unfair season for our offense and our defense felt the effects of it in close 4th quarters.

 

with a offense that eats up some more time and takes leads more often, our defense will be absolutely dominant. though I still wish we had rex or chuck, those guys just know how to dial it up on every snap and let our boys HUNT.

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I like Dean over all and here are some of my talking points.

 

1. The offense put our defense in some precarious situations last year and the high amount of 3/out hurt us. The lack of running game really hurt as well.

 

2. We had injuries to deal with last year and players playing out of position. Ngata was banged up along with other DL. The ilb position next to Smith was constantly in flux. Elam was playing out of position and Gravedigger while a thumper and fan fav is a liability in coverage.

 

The 2 things I didn't like about our defense was a lack of ability to get off in key situations and a lack of impact plays. There were some situations where we simply got driven on. I'm not going to fault the offense 100 percent although sometimes we were backed up or had a lack of rest in that game. The other percentage is simply getting whipped and our defensive leaders and pro bowlers need to show up more in these situations. The lack of impact plays can be attributed to people playing out of position and injuries. It doesn't seem long ago Ed Reed would be taking a pick 6 to the house. I'd like to get some depth at safety and make opposing qbs think twice about throwing deep on us again.

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Our defense as fine last year, I don't know why people are questioning it. We didn't have Ed and Ray back there directing people where to go. For Dean Pees to be as successful as he was last year I was actually surprised. Our offense was abysmal and couldn't sustain a drive. We can bring more blitzes and hurries if our defense can stay off the field and rest. Plus if your defense is out there all game 1) they will be exhausted and give up the big plays which they did towards the end of the games 2) the offensive coordinators and players will figure out your schemes and from there its over. I think our defense will improve this year, maybe not much, but I definitely see us looking better.  

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The problem with the defense was that the front seven struggled to consistently win one on one match ups. If you look at all the top five defenses, they win one on one match ups. Period. 

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The problem with the defense was that the front seven struggled to consistently win one on one match ups. If you look at all the top five defenses, they win one on one match ups. Period. 

We've been that way for too long though, especially in the interior.  Ngata for a good 4-5 years could win matchups himself, but outside of Suggs we haven't had a guy who wins 1 on 1s with any regularity.

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Honestly I liked the defense until the 4th quarter hit. As I remember there were a few games the defense lost in the 4th. I also recall the Offense losing games the entire game. I think the defense will be extremely good in a couple of years barring a few re-signings. 

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I don't think it's a make or break year for Pees but let's clear up a few things.

The defense did not "improve" from the previous year. Their ranking improved, yes, which only means more teams performed worse than they did ( or fewer teams performed better, however you want to slice it.)

2012 D stats:

21.5 pts a game/350 yds a game/ 228 yds passing/122 yds rushing

2013 stats:

22 pts a game (actually worse than 2012)/ 335 yds a game (15 yds better)/230 passing yds (worse)/105 rushing yds (17 yds better)

comparitively speaking, the defense played pretty much the same except for their 4th quarter meltdowns in 2013, something the 2012 squad did not do.

The 2013 squad also managed over 200 more yds in penalties.

So no Pees didn't do all that great, the defense remained status quo from the previous year except they gave up at the end of games and committed more penalties.

edit: to answer the snap count question:

In 2012 the offense ran 1134 snaps the defense ran 1107 (give or take a snap or two).

In 2013 the offense ran 1205 snaps the defense ran 1152 (give or take a snap or two).

LOL@ the neg. All facts people, get over it.

It's funny to me that with you it seems stats only matter when you want them to matter, cause when debating Joep the stats always seem skewed against him, but now the stats are the only tell tale sign of if the defense improved. They were better, period.

The offense was attrocious and put them in bad positions numerous times. The Ravens gave up the ball the 9th most times in the league last year and were 5th worst in 3 and outs. Thats not exactly setting the defense up for success. I know what I saw and what it was, was an improved defense fieled last year, having to make up for a significantly weaker offense.

In 12 they were 9th worst in 3 and outs(still bad) and 3rd best giveaways(only 2 team gave the ball up less times than us). Hmmm. I wonder if that makes a difference.

The 13 squad also allowed the 10th most points off turnovers.

If Pees' job is in question, no one should feel safe.

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Defense was the least of our problems last season, just ask Joe Flacco. Too much time on his back and running for his life because the "D" spent too much time on the field.

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Gotta give Pees the benefit of the doubt, hard to execute your game plan on D when the offense was struggling like they were.

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