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What to do with Arthur Brown

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I may be a little late with this but I feel this point needs to be addressed. I'm happy that we resigned Dayrl but we already have a coverage MLB,Arthur Brown. I don't see us playing Brown and Smith together because we need a good run stuffer. What do you think the solution to this problem is? If we let Dayrl play out his contract without starting brown that's a waste of a pick and a waste of cap. On a personal note I was hoping we didn't resign smith and got Skov or played Brown and Rolando.  

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I still say we start them both, hopefully Arthur is ready....throw em into the fire!!! haha We traded up for Arthur to be more than just a pass defending ILB...he needs to continue to work hard in order to become our starting 3 down MLB one day.

 

Maybe we get a rotational run stuffer too though. Who knows.

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I think Brown will still start if he's ready regardless of Daryl. Also, Daryl can play SLB if we switch to a 4-3 on some downs with Brown as the WLB. We'd still need a true MLB. 

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I think people are underestimating him as a run defender. He's a good pass defender and that's what made him more enticing, but he's a very sound tackler, plays fast, and is fairly good with stack and shed.

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Arthur Brown is an all around player.  He lacked the bulk last year, so hopefully he's put on some to improve as a run defender.  I'd have 0 problems with him starting next to Daryl.

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We play in a 3-4 where Art will obviously be a starter next to Daryl. I think by the time Daryl's contract is up Art will be ready to take over as the primary ILB and we'll find someone to start next to him. Art is fine, and having someone like Daryl who can mentor Brown for a few years will benefit Brown more than the OP thinks.

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We play in a 3-4 where Art will obviously be a starter next to Daryl. I think by the time Daryl's contract is up Art will be ready to take over as the primary ILB and we'll find someone to start next to him. Art is fine, and having someone like Daryl who can mentor Brown for a few years will benefit Brown more than the OP thinks.

I hope Dayrl teaches him well. I can't tell you how many times he saved us with a good audible on defense 

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I think Harbs pretty much made it official a while ago that he expects Brown to be a starter this season so I'm sure we'll go into the season with him and Daryl @ ILB. I just hope he plays the run well because Daryl is not that good against the run. If not I can see us drafting a 3-4 ILB thumper to help our run defense in the 4th or 5th round.

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I think Harbs pretty much made it official a while ago that he expects Brown to be a starter this season so I'm sure we'll go into the season with him and Daryl @ ILB. I just hope he plays the run well because Daryl is not that good against the run. If not I can see us drafting a 3-4 ILB thumper to help our run defense in the 4th or 5th round.

so if Art isn't all that good against the run like Dayrl do we start the thumper and let Art develop more or start Art and let the thumper develop both have their pros and cons

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so if Art isn't all that good against the run like Dayrl do we start the thumper and let Art develop more or start Art and let the thumper develop both have their pros and cons

 

I have full faith in Art's ability to play the run so I was just throwing it out there. I'd still like us to add a run stuffing ILB in case of emergency if one guy gets hurt.

 

I think either way Art will probably start the entire year, whether he plays the run well or not, it's not like we have any better options right now.

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I think Harbs pretty much made it official a while ago that he expects Brown to be a starter this season so I'm sure we'll go into the season with him and Daryl @ ILB. I just hope he plays the run well because Daryl is not that good against the run. If not I can see us drafting a 3-4 ILB thumper to help our run defense in the 4th or 5th round.

I have no idea how true this may or may not be, but isn't it possible that Daryl's struggles against the run came from unfamiliarity with the inside linebacker position? He just didn't really seem to attack downhill quickly. It seemed like he waited for it to come to him. When he played as an OLB for the Jags, he tore it up, so I think it may have been unfamiliarity.

I have tons of faith, either way, that Arthur Brown will be good against the run

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I think people are underestimating him as a run defender. He's a good pass defender and that's what made him more enticing, but he's a very sound tackler, plays fast, and is fairly good with stack and shed.

I agree to an extent. Brown looks very good but he's still learning the NFL. It was very evident to me. He didn't look great when shedding blocks but I feel like he was improving in run support. He was inconsistent, which tells me it's a learning curve issue less than it is a skill issue. I think he'll be fine.

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I agree to an extent. Brown looks very good but he's still learning the NFL. It was very evident to me. He didn't look great when shedding blocks but I feel like he was improving in run support. He was inconsistent, which tells me it's a learning curve issue less than it is a skill issue. I think he'll be fine.

I would have been much happier had he been able to start his rookie season, and honestly, I feel he would have if he didn't get injured

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Brown and Smith starting together is likely what we will see this season and there is nothing wrong with that.  While there is a lack of a true run stuffer, having two plus coverage linebackers in today's NFL is great.

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To counter that I feel that we should get a Pure run stuffing DT in the draft to pair with Brandon Williams/ngata (when he feels like showing up). I think that can assist Smith and brown real well. Who are some options?

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Smith can't drop the hammer anymore so if Arthur can't be a thumper we're going to take a hit to our run defense, we also lost our best defensive lineman while Ngata/Canty/Suggs are getting older.

 

Based on what we saw last season how many blue chip players do we have for our 3-4 base? because you need more than in a 4-3.

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arthur brown should definitely start.. hopefully he bulked up a bit. i just wish rolando would make up his mind on his comeback. that would give us a very solid lb group with a good run stuffer.

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arthur brown should definitely start.. hopefully he bulked up a bit. i just wish rolando would make up his mind on his comeback. that would give us a very solid lb group with a good run stuffer.

this is what i kinda want to happen

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Getting lost in the conversation here is Josh Bynes, who actually played just as well, if not better than McClain last year. Brown and Smith will be our primary ILBs, but they will sub in Bynes to play in place of Brown when it's a short-yardage situation. 

 

Brown is a very instinctive LB who has no problem shooting a gap and tackling 1 on 1 (he made a great tackle during last year's preseason game vs the Falcons), but his presence will be diminished in a power situation with a lot of blockers. 

 

 

Also, I'll just throw this out there: scouts from the ravens seemed to be interested in Wisconsin's Chris Borland, who is a pure run-stuffing ILB. 

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arthur brown isnt a "coverage" LB, have you seen how skilled he is at weaving through blockers in traffic? he will be able to handle his job just fine

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Daryl Smith struggled shedding blocks last year. But the two of them on the inside gives us a lot of speed in the middle that we havent had in a while. If our d line can clog up space we will be fine

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I think people are underestimating him as a run defender. He's a good pass defender and that's what made him more enticing, but he's a very sound tackler, plays fast, and is fairly good with stack and shed.

Yeah, really...guy was a tackle machine in college and one of the reasons he was so highly regarded

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I really hope his problems in the run game were just because he was small. I know it's an unpopular thing to say but he was terrible against the run. Great in coverage, though.

 

Unless we do transition to a 4-3 base, which is looking more and more likely by the day, I have serious doubts about our run defense. 

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arthur brown has the potential to be a Navarro bowman type

 

Potential is probably the word.

 

He lacks bulk. He looks like a baseball player out there.

 

As far as his run stopping skills in college, he was a monster at running a loose back down from behind or at an angle. He was far less effective plugging a hole for no gain.

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Getting lost in the conversation here is Josh Bynes, who actually played just as well, if not better than McClain last year. Brown and Smith will be our primary ILBs, but they will sub in Bynes to play in place of Brown when it's a short-yardage situation.

Brown is a very instinctive LB who has no problem shooting a gap and tackling 1 on 1 (he made a great tackle during last year's preseason game vs the Falcons), but his presence will be diminished in a power situation with a lot of blockers.

Also, I'll just throw this out there: scouts from the ravens seemed to be interested in Wisconsin's Chris Borland, who is a pure run-stuffing ILB.

I'd rather draft Andrew Jackson than Borland. That's just me. That's if we want a run stuffer thumper
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Another option would be to transition to a 4-3, that way we could protect Brown on the weak side and Smith in the middle. Suggs at LDE Ngata and Canty inside with Doom on the right.

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The ravens start him, that's what they do. He is ready and you don't draft somebody in the second round (after trading up) only to have him sit. Sometimes I wish the Ravens play their draft picks more, look at Alonso in buffalo (I hate Alonso for other reasons) or other draft picks. He was and is better than Bynes and McClain, it's stupid to let him sit and "learn" .

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I personally think it's more valuable to have 2 mlb's who are good in coverage, even if they were to lack a bit in the run defense department, than to have one good in coverage and one good against the run.

Plus, I think you're underestimating both of their ability's to play the run. And if Rolando McClain un-retires he will work in rotation with them and see action on obvious running downs. I hope he does come back - he's still young, seems to have his head screwed on right, probably continued to train with Saban and the 'Bama boys, and will finally be in a scheme that suits his talents. He would be a totally unexpected benefit. Kids got all-pro talent and is still the same age or younger than than a lot of our draft picks from the past 2 years.

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Somewhat unrelated, but did anyone have the feeling that Ozzie played a hand in McClains "retirement." I have a suspicion that Ozzie had a heart-to-heart with him and convinced him that he should sign with the Ravens, take a year off to get his mind right, finish school, and by retiring have the option to come back to the Ravens, get paid and re-claim his career.

Either way, I'm happy for him and excited to see him possibly come back and achieve his potential in purple and black. I'm rooting for his return bc I think he's still got it.

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I thought we should of sign b.spikes instead of smith for a run stopper, maybe mccain comes back and plays at a high level and make a.brown play at a high level

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