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Ray Rice lost 15 lbs.

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Like i said earlier in the year, Rice got fat. Played at 225 instead of listed 212. My source was accurate. Thier is a story on the Sun website. He is trying to get down to 207. The whole injury thing was overbliwn..he was chub chub last year. A lean, quick Ray Rice would be a big addition to this team. I expect a big year. Trainer said he lost a bad 12-13 pounds...thats fat. 3 pounds of muscle ..said his face is much skinnier.

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Like i said earlier in the year, Rice got fat. Played at 225 instead of listed 212. My source was accurate. Thier is a story on the Sun website. He is trying to get down to 207. The whole injury thing was overbliwn..he was chub chub last year. A lean, quick Ray Rice would be a big addition to this team. I expect a big year. Trainer said he lost a bad 12-13 pounds...thats fat. 3 pounds of muscle ..said his face is much skinnier.

 

Doesn't matter if he can't play. I don't care what he does until his legal issues are worked out and what the NFL decides to do.

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Everyone knows he was overweight last season and is coming in leaner this season, the exact numbers are trivial.

 

An "I told you so" topic wasn't really necessary.

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Everyone knows he was overweight last season and is coming in leaner this season, the exact numbers are trivial.

Actually some people knew. Some people blamed the injury. You may known. But rice denied it all year until now and blamed his hip.

An "I told you so" topic wasn't really necessary.

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I'm not a nutritional expert but I think it's close to impossible to just lose fat if you lose weight. The body doesn't work that way. And it's also pretty much impossible to lose 10-15 pounds of fat within 2 months. Either way, a leaner Rice, a lighter Rice is always a better Rice. He's not a power back anyway, he doesn't need the added muscle mass, he should be around 200 pounds at max. Quickness, Explosion, Agility, Speed, all that he loses by going up to 230 pounds. At 200 I can see him playing the way he played early on in his career when he made linebackers look silly with his quick feet.

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I'm not a nutritional expert but I think it's close to impossible to just lose fat if you lose weight. The body doesn't work that way. And it's also pretty much impossible to lose 10-15 pounds of fat within 2 months. Either way, a leaner Rice, a lighter Rice is always a better Rice. He's not a power back anyway, he doesn't need the added muscle mass, he should be around 200 pounds at max. Quickness, Explosion, Agility, Speed, all that he loses by going up to 230 pounds. At 200 I can see him playing the way he played early on in his career when he made linebackers look silly with his quick feet.

 

You are incorrect on both counts.  It is possible to just lose fat while losing weight.   You can also very easily gain muscle weight while cutting fat (and having a net weight loss).  Also - for someone dedicated to the gym, losing 10 - 15 pounds in 2 months isn't completely unreasonable.

 

That being said, Ray Rice wasn't massive to begin with, and he already had a lot of muscle, so I think in this case you would be correct.  He's probably been doing more lean muscle workouts, so he is losing a combination of fat and muscle - which in the end will hopefully improve his gameplay.

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You can EASILY lose 15 lbs of fat in two months, especially if you are carrying extra fat. Ive bodybuilded for years. Thats only 2lbs a week.

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You are incorrect on both counts.  It is possible to just lose fat while losing weight.   You can also very easily gain muscle weight while cutting fat (and having a net weight loss).  Also - for someone dedicated to the gym, losing 10 - 15 pounds in 2 months isn't completely unreasonable.

 

That being said, Ray Rice wasn't massive to begin with, and he already had a lot of muscle, so I think in this case you would be correct.  He's probably been doing more lean muscle workouts, so he is losing a combination of fat and muscle - which in the end will hopefully improve his gameplay.

 

How does that work?

 

And hitting the gym every day doesn't make you lose weight, if you eat right you're more likely to gain weight (by adding muscle mass). It takes longer to lose fat than it does gaining muscle mass. And for the rule of thumb I think you can add like 1 pound of muscle in a month. Not sure how you're gonna lose 15 pounds of fat (we're talking about a pro athlete in great shape) within 2 months but again I'm not an expert so I'd like to hear your explanation. I could be wrong.

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You can EASILY lose 15 lbs of fat in two months, especially if you are carrying extra fat. Ive bodybuilded for years. Thats only 2lbs a week.

 

We're talking about pure fat, not weight. And losing fat only. In order to lose weight you have to be in a caloric deficit. If you're in a caloric deficit you automatically lose muscle mass because the body views muscles mass as a luxury unlike fat. You can limit the amount of muscle mass you lose by eating right (proteins etc.) but that's about it. Again, I could be wrong but this is what I got from nutritional experts on the internet when I read up on it because it does interest me.

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He lost according to the article About 15 lbs...12-13 lbs bad weight meaning 2-3 lbs of muscle sounds about right. 4lbs of fat per 1lb of muscle..thats typical of inshape atheletes or bodybuilders.

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How does that work?

 

And hitting the gym every day doesn't make you lose weight, if you eat right you're more likely to gain weight (by adding muscle mass). It takes longer to lose fat than it does gaining muscle mass. And for the rule of thumb I think you can add like 1 pound of muscle in a month. Not sure how you're gonna lose 15 pounds of fat (we're talking about a pro athlete in great shape) within 2 months but again I'm not an expert so I'd like to hear your explanation. I could be wrong.

 

Going to note at the beginning that I do agree that with Rice (or any pro athlete) it is highly unlikely that he lost only fat (I wrote that above as well.)

 

That being said, running a caloric deficit while maintaining a balanced workout with cardio, you would be able to maintain your muscle weight while burning the fat away.  I generally do not write about nutrition/exercise, so I apologize if I cannot explain this in the most clear way.  But if you think about it like this: if you run a caloric deficit while not working out, then you will lose both fat and muscle weight.  If you add exercise to that, then you will be building muscle while maintaining a caloric deficit, thus allowing you to keep the muscle weight the same or gaining muscle, and only burning the fat.  This tends to happen when people begin working out for the first time in a while.  There isn't much muscle weight to lose, and the fat is burned off while new muscle growth occurs.

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He lost according to the article About 15 lbs...12-13 lbs bad weight meaning 2-3 lbs of muscle sounds about right. 4lbs of fat per 1lb of muscle..thats typical of inshape atheletes or bodybuilders.

 

The article I'm reading doesn't say anything about "good or bad pounds" or how much fat he lost. All the trainer says is that Rice lost 15 pounds within the last 2 months. Maybe you have a different one with different quotes, but the Carroll County Times article doesn't mention anything about that.

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RR wasn't "fat".  He bulked up too much and lost quickness and agility. Fat.....lmao

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RR wasn't "fat".  He bulked up too much and lost quickness and agility. Fat.....lmao

 

Yeah, fat would be quite the exaggeration lol ... The guy was still built. I believe his thinking was he could add extra mass to help continue taking the punishment going into his 6th year, but still maintain his speed. 

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I'm not a nutritional expert but I think it's close to impossible to just lose fat if you lose weight. The body doesn't work that way. And it's also pretty much impossible to lose 10-15 pounds of fat within 2 months. Either way, a leaner Rice, a lighter Rice is always a better Rice. He's not a power back anyway, he doesn't need the added muscle mass, he should be around 200 pounds at max. Quickness, Explosion, Agility, Speed, all that he loses by going up to 230 pounds. At 200 I can see him playing the way he played early on in his career when he made linebackers look silly with his quick feet.

Yea you would be surprised but a good portion of that weight he lost was  most likely muscle and water. Too much rigorous cardiovascular training and a lower or lack of caloric and carb intake makes it so you actually burn muscle fibers to suffice for the loss of calories. And at the same rate when he gains weight...its mostly water and fat as opposed to lean muscle mass. A lot of misconceptions when it comes to dieting and weight lifting.

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I think his training regiment changed and he trained for lean muscle as opposed to the bulk he had last season. Similar to those super skinny guys running the olympic distance races that Ethiopia always seems to win. Muscles are made up of a ratio of the the different muscle types and he probably balanced it out a little more w/ lean muscle

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RR wasn't "fat".  He bulked up too much and lost quickness and agility. Fat.....lmao

 

Right??? "chub chub" my butt.

 

He just put on too much muscle. He isn't a power back & the added muscle mass affected his game.

 

Happy he's dropping it - hopefully he'll be the agile Rice we all remember.

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The article I'm reading doesn't say anything about "good or bad pounds" or how much fat he lost. All the trainer says is that Rice lost 15 pounds within the last 2 months. Maybe you have a different one with different quotes, but the Carroll County Times article doesn't mention anything about that.

@RavensInsider: .@kylejakobe on Ray Rice: 'Ray's body composition has completely changed. He has lost 12 to 13 pounds, 12 to 13 bad pounds.'

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You are incorrect on both counts.  It is possible to just lose fat while losing weight.   You can also very easily gain muscle weight while cutting fat (and having a net weight loss).  Also - for someone dedicated to the gym, losing 10 - 15 pounds in 2 months isn't completely unreasonable.

 

That being said, Ray Rice wasn't massive to begin with, and he already had a lot of muscle, so I think in this case you would be correct.  He's probably been doing more lean muscle workouts, so he is losing a combination of fat and muscle - which in the end will hopefully improve his gameplay.

Short term weight loss is not entirely fat complex...its mostly water and some muscle too. 

 

And pertaining to your other comment about being able to both lose fat and gain muscle...thats a very contradicting argument right there. Muscle feeds off of calories, carbohydrates and protein... when you are on a hybrid diet trying to lose fat and gain muscle its tricky because the best way to lose pure fat quickly is to eat between 500-1000 calories a day and completely rule out carbs in order to try and get your body in the state of ketosis where it produces ketones that in turn increase metabolism and help burn fat. You get your body in tot he position where you can truly deplete your large fat stores throughout the body. But in order to gain muscle you have to feed your body thousands of healthy calories a day including a ton of carbohydrates and even fats too. Hybrid diets need the proper nutrition and vitamin supplementation that a lot of people over look in order to ensure you are not dipping into the muscle stores when losing fat, and so you wont over indulge when trying to gain the lean muscle mass as well. 

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Yea you would be surprised but a good portion of that weight he lost was  most likely muscle and water. Too much rigorous cardiovascular training and a lower or lack of caloric and carb intake makes it so you actually burn muscle fibers to suffice for the loss of calories. And at the same rate when he gains weight...its mostly water and fat as opposed to lean muscle mass. A lot of misconceptions when it comes to dieting and weight lifting.

 

Agreed. There's no studies or evidence that suggests otherwise.

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@RavensInsider: .@kylejakobe on Ray Rice: 'Ray's body composition has completely changed. He has lost 12 to 13 pounds, 12 to 13 bad pounds.'

Exactly. What is change in body comp. Losing 12-13 lbs is FAT. Even said face is much thinner.

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A contradiction in terms but a lesser Ray Rice seems like a "hungrier" Ray. On the road to redemption, I'd say. If Kubiak's system  is a fit and we get the right OL players, he could be an MVP candidate next year.

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Exactly. What is change in body comp. Losing 12-13 lbs is FAT. Even said face is much thinner.

 

 

I don't think you are understanding the concept of what they are calling "bad pounds".  He bulked up too much. In other words he was lifting large amounts of weight to add bulk to his muscles which I guess he was thinking would make him more durable. My guess at what he's done now is much more cardio and lifting less weight, more repetitions and getting leaner. Sure he's probably lost some fat as well, but he didn't go on a diet and lose 12 or 15 pounds of fat.

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Exactly. What is change in body comp. Losing 12-13 lbs is FAT. Even said face is much thinner.

maybe 3-5 pounds of fat

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A contradiction in terms but a lesser Ray Rice seems like a "hungrier" Ray. On the road to redemption, I'd say. If Kubiak's system  is a fit and we get the right OL players, he could be an MVP candidate next year.

 

 

If he's watched any tape of his "performances" of last year, dude has to feel humiliated and embarrassed. I'd have to say that will provide excellent motivation to improve in every way in 2014.

 

I think we see a career year from RR in 2014. 

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If he's watched any tape of his "performances" of last year, dude has to feel humiliated and embarrassed. I'd have to say that will provide excellent motivation to improve in every way in 2014.

 

I think we see a career year from RR in 2014. 

Yes...all the 1-3 yard fall down runs have got to stop...he has to stay on his damn feet and hopefully with the weight loss get back to his shifty ways and make cut backs for extended runs.

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Yes...all the 1-3 yard fall down runs have got to stop...he has to stay on his damn feet and hopefully with the weight loss get back to his shifty ways and make cut backs for extended runs.

 

 

I couldn't take another year of him running like his shoe strings were tied together

 

 

I can honestly say I've never seen a running back at any level repeatedly  just fall down before contact the way RR did last year. It was almost as bad as watching Ed Reed his last couple of years making "tackles".

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