Broncos are FA all in, Ravens cold get lasting revenge this year

[Ravenatic20]

You can't buy a championship.

[Sami84]

You can't buy a championship.

 

Lebron says hi.

 

not saying it means championship but sometimes it can work. It works in soccer esp.

[Ravenatic20]

Lebron says hi.

 

not saying it means championship but sometimes it can work. It works in soccer esp.

Sorry, I was talking about American Football.

[berad]

Lebron says hi.

 

not saying it means championship but sometimes it can work. It works in soccer esp.

22 starters on football is a lot harder to buy than 5 in basketball. 3 dominant basketball players is an assured championship berth

[Ravenslifer]

Lebron says hi.

 

not saying it means championship but sometimes it can work. It works in soccer esp.

 

In a sport where just 5 guys play signifiant minutes, it's much easier to win with 2-3 great pieces.  And even then their first season Miami's lack of chemistry was exposed by Dallas.  What the Broncos are trying to do is fit multiple new pieces onto a roster where you have 22 guys playing significant minutes, and it's not so easy to stay in synch.  What the Broncos are trying to do is fit 3 defensive starters in Ward, Talib, and Ware, plus two new receivers in Caldwell and Sanders, into their system in the scope of just one offseason and win a championship.  It might work, but it rarely does.

[Ravenslifer]

Broncos cap numbers don't reflect Peyton's true hit to the cap, do they?  His money isn't guaranteed for next year (2015) until the end of the 2014 season.  Same thing w/ the 2016 season.

 

Even then, they have plenty of cap space, but tons of big name players coming up for huge contracts.

 

His cap hit is about 18 million this season, 22 million for the next 2 seasons.

[Ravenslifer]

All you need to know : John Fox is not a Super Bowl winning head coach... The guy can't seem to win the big one.

 

Granted the one time he made it there before this year he had Jake Delhomme as his starting QB.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

His cap hit is about 18 million this season, 22 million for the next 2 seasons.

 

Yeah - but those last two seasons aren't technically on the books yet are they?  They aren't guaranteed until the end of the 2014 and 2015 seasons respectively.

[hawkprey]

The Broncos lost Rodgers-Cromartie, Eric Decker, and Wesley Woodyard in free agency. I don't think they're "all in" as much as they're just exchanging players. "All in" would be signing all backloaded deals and I don't think that's what they're doing.

[Ravenslifer]

Yeah - but those last two seasons aren't technically on the books yet are they?  They aren't guaranteed until the end of the 2014 and 2015 seasons respectively.

 

Yeah if I read his contract right, cutting him before the end of 2014 season has 22 million in dead money attached for 2014, but only 5 for 2015 and 2016, BUT if he's still on the roster at the end of the 2014 season, 2015 is fully guaranteed, and same with 2015 and 2016, meaning if he were to be cut, the full salary becomes dead money at that point.  So basically if they wanted to cut him before the contract was up, they'd have to do it before the 2014 season ended or have a ridiculous amount of dead money on the cap for 2015.  Pretty much he's not going anywhere.  But they do have some money to play around with now that the cap has gone up.

[ravensnick]

Point made, looks like a fair deal.

 

I refuse to eat the cookie before it's done baking though.    The offseason has really just begun and I'm not sold Gradkowski can't be the guy after reading Birks words on this site.

Don't like that logic. You think a small, not strong center who was ranked dead last out of all starters and had to have Yanda call the line calls for him could be good because his former (retired) teammate said so on the Teams website? Its not like Birk could have said Gino was absolutely terrible without repercussions, especially on Gino's own team's website. I really don't see any area where Gino is even average.

[Inqui]

Teams that make headlines in March rarely make them in February.

[FoxRox75]

Well since I'm predicting the Ravens to win their third SB next year, I think we'll likely knock Denver out of the playoffs for revenge. Boy would I love that to be Peyton's last game....

[Inqui]

Well since I'm predicting the Ravens to win their third SB next year, I think we'll likely knock Denver out of the playoffs for revenge. Boy would I love that to be Peyton's last game....

That would be incredible. I could only imagine Ashley Fox's face.

[AsianRice]

Peyton is old with no arm strength; nobody scares of his deep balls.  Seattle set the example....

[TonyTone1192]

I love what the Broncos are doing in the FA market.  The Ravens always move slow but steady...so I am not surprise by their sluggish start.  But, we've picked up some steam by signing Pitta, Jacoby, Monroe, Daryl Smith and Steve Smith.  Awesome!

 

#Mili

 

They have been VERY agressive but they're two bigger signings in Ware and Talib both have a recent history of not being able to stay on the field. Both GREAT players but I think those moves were a bit overrated. 

[Sizzlebshu]

You can't buy a championship.

As a NYY fan, I vehemently disagree

[tolucaraven]

All the players they signed are frequently on the injury report with exception of Ward. Ward is a good pickup, IMO. Woodyard is a loss they will feel. He is underrated. Trading Sanders who is also always dinged for Decker is a downgrade except for salary.

[NaveSenrag]

The Broncos aren't "all in" by any meaning of the phrase. All of the contracts they've signed since Elway took over have been front loaded. Assuming the cap stays the same, they have 50 mil in cap space next year if Manning stays on for 2015 and 70 mil if he retires.

 

All the players they signed are frequently on the injury report with exception of Ward. Ward is a good pickup, IMO. Woodyard is a loss they will feel. He is underrated. Trading Sanders who is also always dinged for Decker is a downgrade except for salary.

Ware missed time for the first time in 8 years last season. None of the rest of their pickups except Talib are injury prone either. And Talib's contract is set up so if he gets injured this year they can cut him and only have a 4 mil cap hit next year.

[PolishRifle]

I don't care how much they or the Pats spend in the offseason, the days when Manning and Brady ruled the NFL are over.

[ellicottraven]

the broncos are going after this center will montgomery,, is he any good ? anyway my real question is how much money do they have (cap) the broncos and new Orleans , are making moves that I really do not get... the saints have J.byrd thought they had no money,denver keeps signing players,,,danggggggg

I am sorry but I am very comfortable with Ozzie and Bisciotti's way of handling free agency. In fact, the way we conduct business is the only way to sustain excellence over the long haul, not the Broncos or the Steelers way! You can't mortgage the future to make one run at it all because no matter who you stack up, there are no guarantees to ensure a SB period.

[NaveSenrag]

I am sorry but I am very comfortable with Ozzie and Bisciotti's way of handling free agency. In fact, the way we conduct business is the only way to sustain excellence over the long haul, not the Broncos or the Steelers way! You can't mortgage the future to make one run at it all because no matter who you stack up, there are no guarantees to ensure a SB period.

The Broncos' way is literally the opposite of the Steelers' way. They front load every contract they write in order to keep their cap hits for future years low.

[redrum52]

I don't care how much they or the Pats spend in the offseason, the days when Manning and Brady ruled the NFL are over.

You mean the guys on the 2 teams that played in last years Championship Game? Manning never really rulde the NFL. Brady just let him have a small territory.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

As a NYY fan, I vehemently disagree

And how's that going lately?

[ellicottraven]

The Broncos' way is literally the opposite of the Steelers' way. They front load every contract they write in order to keep their cap hits for future years low.

Front load or restructure old contracts are both doing the same thing - destroying the future for present day gains. That was the similarity I was drawing attention to. Sorry I had to actually explain it. I am very comfortable in the way we build teams. We award loyalty as long as the players award us consistent big time playing ability and do the things that keep them producing. We also know when to let them walk or for that matter sign them after they decide what their real value is. I just like the Ravens' way!

I think both the Steelers and Broncos are well on their way to terrible seasons down the road... and we are not.

[edthehead]

I am sorry but I am very comfortable with Ozzie and Bisciotti's way of handling free agency. In fact, the way we conduct business is the only way to sustain excellence over the long haul, not the Broncos or the Steelers way! You can't mortgage the future to make one run at it all because no matter who you stack up, there are no guarantees to ensure a SB period.

no this is no slight against our team,I also love the way we do our thing,all I am saying is where in the heck are they getting this money,,I know denver is all in while peyton only have a couple yrs left then they will purge their team,but the saints, they had no money to start the season how did they sign ol'boy,,, 

[Hardbaugh]

Don't like that logic.

 

You think a small, not strong center who was ranked dead last out of all starters and had to have Yanda call the line calls for him could be good because his former (retired) teammate said so on the Teams website? Its not like Birk could have said Gino was absolutely terrible without repercussions, especially on Gino's own team's website. I really don't see any area where Gino is even average.

 

Fair point. Articles posted on the clubs website mostly only promote the club in a positive way.   I personally  believe he'll be starting  when I see it as the club has already stated it needs to get bigger(better?) on the interior O-line. 

 

However, Birk does make a good point about the mental aspects of the position.

[The Raven]

Front load or restructure old contracts are both doing the same thing - destroying the future for present day gains. That was the similarity I was drawing attention to. Sorry I had to actually explain it. I am very comfortable in the way we build teams. We award loyalty as long as the players award us consistent big time playing ability and do the things that keep them producing. We also know when to let them walk or for that matter sign them after they decide what their real value is. I just like the Ravens' way!

I think both the Steelers and Broncos are well on their way to terrible seasons down the road... and we are not.

 

No, that's completely untrue and you need to take a math class. Do you know what front load even means?

[Sizzlebshu]

And how's that going lately?

How many rings do you have?

[The Oakland Cathedral]

How many rings do you have?

Personally? Or my favorite team?