The misconceptions about Jacoby Jones...

[flynismo]

Having the addition of Pitta and S.Smith will make a huge difference, for that reason I am feeling the increased chance they may target either an OL, CB or FS with the first pick unless Ebron is still on the board, which I don't think he will be.

I think Ebron will still be there, but I don't see us taking a TE in the 1st. Could happen in the second or third though

[HoldingCall]

I think Ebron will still be there, but I don't see us taking a TE in the 1st. Could happen in the second or third though

You could be right, but Ebron is a talent that could be hard to pass.

[flynismo]

You could be right, but Ebron is a talent that could be hard to pass.

Personally, it's not that I don't like Ebron, I do, I'd just rather see us fill a gaping hole (like RT if we trade back, a long term WR to go with Torrey, etc)....but if the FO likes the guy enough to take him despite having larger holes to fill, then I trust their judgment

[Ravenslifer]

Personally, it's not that I don't like Ebron, I do, I'd just rather see us fill a gaping hole (like RT if we trade back, a long term WR to go with Torrey, etc)....but if the FO likes the guy enough to take him despite having larger holes to fill, then I trust their judgment

 

You don't think having 2 long term TEs and one long-term receiver would be just as good as having a long-term tight end and 2 long term receivers?

[flynismo]

You don't think having 2 long term TEs and one long-term receiver would be just as good as having a long-term tight end and 2 long term receivers?

Not really; having two WR's is preferable, since they would be on the field 99% of the time. Probably wouldn't have both TE on the field nearly as often.

[Ravens1991]

If Jacoby is so great, why is it that at a healthy age and 2 TDs in the Super Bowl, only the Giants and Ravens were interested in paying him a few million a year, and it wasn't big news when he signed with us?

 

I think the conceptions about him are pretty accurate.

 

If two teams are looking at you and they both have won a super bowl in the past 3 years they must know something about who can play. 32 teams didn't bring in Manning to see how he was when he was a FA.

[JoeyFlex5]

You don't think having 2 long term TEs and one long-term receiver would be just as good as having a long-term tight end and 2 long term receivers?

having 2 WR's on the field is much more likely than having 2 TE's on the field. when you have your unquestioned #1 TE, who just happens to be the guy your qb is the most comfortable throwing to, then it doesnt make much sense to spend a first on another TE who is practically the same player(just faster) when you have bigger holes at WR and there will most likely be a perfect player to fill that hole at your draft position. getting another TE who is strictly there to catch passes, doesnt help us, we need a well rounded, big bruising TE to compliment our current lineup, especially with a guy like kubiak coaching who runs a "outside" oriented run game where a solid blocking TE is a major piece. plus, with 2 speedy options at WR, we dont need a speedy option at TE, we need a big boy with a massive wingspan who is tough enough to jump up and snag one out of the air and secure it while taking a shot or 2, its what joe has missed in boldin, and we can get more versatility at WR, and get that jumpball target at TE, all with 2 of our first 3 picks, and this is the perfect draft to do it

[Ravenslifer]

having 2 WR's on the field is much more likely than having 2 TE's on the field. when you have your unquestioned #1 TE, who just happens to be the guy your qb is the most comfortable throwing to, then it doesnt make much sense to spend a first on another TE who is practically the same player(just faster) when you have bigger holes at WR and there will most likely be a perfect player to fill that hole at your draft position. getting another TE who is strictly there to catch passes, doesnt help us, we need a well rounded, big bruising TE to compliment our current lineup, especially with a guy like kubiak coaching who runs a "outside" oriented run game where a solid blocking TE is a major piece. plus, with 2 speedy options at WR, we dont need a speedy option at TE, we need a big boy with a massive wingspan who is tough enough to jump up and snag one out of the air and secure it while taking a shot or 2, its what joe has missed in boldin, and we can get more versatility at WR, and get that jumpball target at TE, all with 2 of our first 3 picks, and this is the perfect draft to do it

 

Yeah I can see that, but I think the drop off at tight end is steeper than at WR.  So say we took Ebron, who is a very well rounded player, and then came back and took Jared Abbrederis in the second, I think that would work better than Mike Evans in the first and CJ Fiedorowicz in the second, is all.

[Tank 92]

Not really; having two WR's is preferable, since they would be on the field 99% of the time. Probably wouldn't have both TE on the field nearly as often.

 

 

 I don't see how we could pass on Ebron if he's there.

[flynismo]

Yeah I can see that, but I think the drop off at tight end is steeper than at WR.  So say we took Ebron, who is a very well rounded player, and then came back and took Jared Abbrederis in the second, I think that would work better than Mike Evans in the first and CJ Fiedorowicz in the second, is all.

Well, honestly, I dont care who or when, just as long as we add one more quality weapon for Flacco, I'll be happy

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah I can see that, but I think the drop off at tight end is steeper than at WR.  So say we took Ebron, who is a very well rounded player, and then came back and took Jared Abbrederis in the second, I think that would work better than Mike Evans in the first and CJ Fiedorowicz in the second, is all.

whoa whoa i never said anything about mike evans.. lol i think hes a bust in the making, while i think marqise lee in the first and ASJ in the second would be the most ideal draft weve had since jimmy/torrey.

[Ravenslifer]

whoa whoa i never said anything about mike evans.. lol i think hes a bust in the making, while i think marqise lee in the first and ASJ in the second would be the most ideal draft weve had since jimmy/torrey.

 

Oh I just picked 2 names - but ASJ I think will be gone before we pick in the second, and that's what I mean by drop-off.

[jaege]

Could we use a few more WR? Sure. That goes without saying. But the o-line was a mess last year. We still dont have an RT or a decent center and very little depth. We could resurrect all the best WR ever known and without an o-line to protect Joe it would be useless. If there isnt enough time for the route to open then he cannot get the ball off. 

 

 

We have done fairly well with the weapons so far. Lets start working on the protection now.and get back to weapons later.

[hawkprey]

If two teams are looking at you and they both have won a super bowl in the past 3 years they must know something about who can play. 32 teams didn't bring in Manning to see how he was when he was a FA.

Most teams couldn't afford Manning or were already paying someone else a lot to play QB. On the other hand, every team has 4 million to sign Jacoby if they wanted, and there was and is plenty of demand for receiver.

 

Just because the Ravens and Giants won Super Bowls recently means that there are only a handful of teams that know which players are good. Every team has scouts.

[Ravenslifer]

Could we use a few more WR? Sure. That goes without saying. But the o-line was a mess last year. We still dont have an RT or a decent center and very little depth. We could resurrect all the best WR ever known and without an o-line to protect Joe it would be useless. If there isnt enough time for the route to open then he cannot get the ball off. 

 

 

We have done fairly well with the weapons so far. Lets start working on the protection now.and get back to weapons later.

 

With that said, aside from maybe Zack Martin, who'd probably slide in to guard anyway, is there a first round O-line prospect worth taking?  We have a left tackle, and at 17 overall you want to get an elite prospect if you can.  So say we draft Marquis Lee or Jace Amaro, then come back and get Gabe Jackson or Dakota Dozier in the second or third round, wouldn't that suit us better than taking Martin and getting a lesser rated receiver?  I think that's my quandry - we could land an elite o-lineman and very good receiver/TE, or elite TE/receiver and still come back and pick up a very good guard.  At this point I'd prefer the second way, because often elite interior lineman can be had in the late first/early second of other years, but most of the elite pass catchers are off the board by the end of the first round.  It would be one thing if we needed a LT, but I think Monroe resigning long term changes our draft outlook considerably.

[jaege]

With that said, aside from maybe Zack Martin, who'd probably slide in to guard anyway, is there a first round O-line prospect worth taking?  We have a left tackle, and at 17 overall you want to get an elite prospect if you can.  So say we draft Marquis Lee or Jace Amaro, then come back and get Gabe Jackson or Dakota Dozier in the second or third round, wouldn't that suit us better than taking Martin and getting a lesser rated receiver?  I think that's my quandry - we could land an elite o-lineman and very good receiver/TE, or elite TE/receiver and still come back and pick up a very good guard.  At this point I'd prefer the second way, because often elite interior lineman can be had in the late first/early second of other years, but most of the elite pass catchers are off the board by the end of the first round.  It would be one thing if we needed a LT, but I think Monroe resigning long term changes our draft outlook considerably.

 

Yeah if our choice is a poor or even middling o-lineman vs a good or better WR, then take the WR certainly. I agree that a decent o-lineman can be had in later rounds anyway. The center will have to be gotten from FA, since I think we need a veteran over a rookie, unless he is one VERY good rookie.

[HoldingCall]

Personally, it's not that I don't like Ebron, I do, I'd just rather see us fill a gaping hole (like RT if we trade back, a long term WR to go with Torrey, etc)....but if the FO likes the guy enough to take him despite having larger holes to fill, then I trust their judgment

I am not disagreeing with you, a RT or FS makes sense but only if they can find the one they want. I believe Ozzie will take the best player available. If the best player available is a RT or FS then I am all for it but since we don't know how the draft by other teams will play out or who will be available I am looking at the possibilities. If Ebron is available and they not take him in favor of another position of need I will not be disappointed. I am just thinking that Pitta is more finesse than physical so it could be beneficial to have a physical TE to go with him. However it plays out Ozzie will likely make the right team choice with the first pick.

[HoldingCall]

If Jacoby is so great, why is it that at a healthy age and 2 TDs in the Super Bowl, only the Giants and Ravens were interested in paying him a few million a year, and it wasn't big news when he signed with us?

 

I think the conceptions about him are pretty accurate.

They were the only two teams he went to before quickly re-signing. But who really cares about that? Jacoby's playmaking ability and impact on the secondary when he's on the field is worth a lot. Just take a second look at the Marlon Brown catch that won the game against the Vikings and you will see the defenders being mindful of Jacoby's presence right in front while Marlo slipped to the deep rear to make that beautiful catch.

[Desert]

Jacoby Jones is a generally raw WR...he is fast, doesn't run the best routes, and is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher which is always a concern. The only way he knows how to separate from DBs is too run as fast as he can away from them...which is absolutely fine and we have seen him get open like that before and make plays. He is just not the well rounded WR that we really need right now.

 

We had him last year and in the games he wasn't injured he was a non factor when it came to moving the chains on a consistent basis...because again as I previously stated he lacks the route running to get open on those short-intermediate routes.  In my opinion he probably the best RS in the NFL, and a good deep threat as a WR3/4.

 

Like it or not we will get a WR who will line up beside Torrey and Marlon...be it a free agent or a rookie. Last year was disastrous for our passing game and it was in large part due to our lack of talent at the WR spot. We need 1 or 2 new faces at the position to ensure we can convert 3rd downs and actually generate some damn passing yards. 

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[Sami84]

one thing about this board is that every off season suddenly players we maligned in the actual season become ''good'' again. 

Wait till the season starts again

 

Jacoby Jones is not good enough

Torrey is never going to be a number 1

Flacco is so inconsistant, we can't keep using his magical run as an excuse

[jaege]

one thing about this board is that every off season suddenly players we maligned in the actual season become ''good'' again. 

Wait till the season starts again

 

Jacoby Jones is not good enough

Torrey is never going to be a number 1

Flacco is so inconsistant, we can't keep using his magical run as an excuse

 

 

Really. How is it the team won that SB with so many shlubs on it?

[Ravenslifer]

Really. How is it the team won that SB with so many shlubs on it?

 

I think what Sami meant was that every offseason we talk about how good these guys are, and then as soon as they screw up in season we start talking about how they're scrubs that need to be replaced ... especially in the game threads.

[Sami84]

I think what Sami meant was that every offseason we talk about how good these guys are, and then as soon as they screw up in season we start talking about how they're scrubs that need to be replaced ... especially in the game threads.

 

yup

[jaege]

I think what Sami meant was that every offseason we talk about how good these guys are, and then as soon as they screw up in season we start talking about how they're scrubs that need to be replaced ... especially in the game threads.

 

 

My statement was meant to be heavy with sarcasm.

[1/28/01]

one thing about this board is that every off season suddenly players we maligned in the actual season become ''good'' again.

Wait till the season starts again

Jacoby Jones is not good enough

Torrey is never going to be a number 1

Flacco is so inconsistant, we can't keep using his magical run as an excuse

1 - With the roll given and expectations of JJ, I dont think anyone has said "he's not good enough". Before you jump down my throat, this does not include those that have a misguided perception of him being anymore than a decent/good 3rd or 4th WR AND a game changing return man Not a #1 or #2.

2 - Yes, Torrey is not a prototypical #1. Few would argue he is.

3 - Flacco is inconsistent as all get out. Even the homers admit this.

What was the point of your post again?