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#1 edreedfromtheu

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:00 PM

I don't understand why people think that Kubiak "knows how to use Jones" just because they were together in Houston.

Nobody thought if Jacoby as a receiving threat until he came to Baltimore.  And that's with Baltimore having many more receiving threats to take targets away from Jones.

Back in Houston, they had Andre Johnson and really nobody else consistently.  And yet, Jacoby was an afterthought.

Even after Jones has proven he can play receiver, I hear plenty of people in Baltimore disrespeect him.  Saying he's nothing more than a deep ball threat.  They failed to see that he was actually Flacco's favorite target preseason and very early in the regular season before he got injured by his own player.  He was actually running those over the middle routes quite nicely.

And to top it all off, after disrespecting Jacoby Jones... people bring up Steve Smith as a guy who would come in and do what Jacoby supposedly can't?


Let me get this straight.... Steve Smith.  The guy who is world famous for quitting on routes and belittling his quarterbacks?  The guy who flips out worse than Boldin would when his quarterback missed him being wide open?  That really doesn't sound like the type of receiver the Ravens want around Flacco.  If a corner guesses right and is tight on Smith's first cut.... he'll often just stop the route which usually only leads to bad things.

I'm glad the Ravens re-signed Jacoby.  It's a move I said should have been made all along, which is why I'm shocked it actually happened.  Glad the Ravens didn't cater to the masses on this one.  They don't need to bring in more receivers.  Anyone taking away snaps from Smith, Jones, and Brown.... is a bad idea.  Worry about improving the line... running game... and quarterback play.  The recievers will be just fine if that other stuff gets staightened out.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:07 PM

Let's not get carried away now.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:08 PM

Im disappointed that we need this thread but some of the things I read in the JJ thread were just terrible. Especially the whole 'Trindon Holiday' ordeal. 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:10 PM

Still wanna See What Mellette Can Do too 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:14 PM

I don't understand why people think that Kubiak "knows how to use Jones" just because they were together in Houston.

Nobody thought if Jacoby as a receiving threat until he came to Baltimore.  And that's with Baltimore having many more receiving threats to take targets away from Jones.

Back in Houston, they had Andre Johnson and really nobody else consistently.  And yet, Jacoby was an afterthought.

Even after Jones has proven he can play receiver, I hear plenty of people in Baltimore disrespeect him.  Saying he's nothing more than a deep ball threat.  They failed to see that he was actually Flacco's favorite target preseason and very early in the regular season before he got injured by his own player.  He was actually running those over the middle routes quite nicely.

And to top it all off, after disrespecting Jacoby Jones... people bring up Steve Smith as a guy who would come in and do what Jacoby supposedly can't?


Let me get this straight.... Steve Smith.  The guy who is world famous for quitting on routes and belittling his quarterbacks?  The guy who flips out worse than Boldin would when his quarterback missed him being wide open?  That really doesn't sound like the type of receiver the Ravens want around Flacco.  If a corner guesses right and is tight on Smith's first cut.... he'll often just stop the route which usually only leads to bad things.

I'm glad the Ravens re-signed Jacoby.  It's a move I said should have been made all along, which is why I'm shocked it actually happened.  Glad the Ravens didn't cater to the masses on this one.  They don't need to bring in more receivers.  Anyone taking away snaps from Smith, Jones, and Brown.... is a bad idea.  Worry about improving the line... running game... and quarterback play.  The recievers will be just fine if that other stuff gets staightened out.

Jacoby Jones is a generally raw WR...he is fast, doesn't run the best routes, and is more of a body catcher than a hands catcher which is always a concern. The only way he knows how to separate from DBs is too run as fast as he can away from them...which is absolutely fine and we have seen him get open like that before and make plays. He is just not the well rounded WR that we really need right now.

 

We had him last year and in the games he wasn't injured he was a non factor when it came to moving the chains on a consistent basis...because again as I previously stated he lacks the route running to get open on those short-intermediate routes.  In my opinion he probably the best RS in the NFL, and a good deep threat as a WR3/4.

 

Like it or not we will get a WR who will line up beside Torrey and Marlon...be it a free agent or a rookie. Last year was disastrous for our passing game and it was in large part due to our lack of talent at the WR spot. We need 1 or 2 new faces at the position to ensure we can convert 3rd downs and actually generate some damn passing yards. 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:17 PM

Jacoby's conference?


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:19 PM

Just the fact that Jacoby knows Kubiak's system is a great reason to bring him back. He's a great # 3 receiver and arguably the best return man in the game. People like to think he can be a # 2, but he's just not great at getting consistently open. I'm still thrilled we brought him back. He's a threat to take one back on every kick return. 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:22 PM

I was originally opposed when we first signed him, but he honestly seems to have gotten better each year he's been here.  Happy to have him back and think it's a very fair deal.  His hands seemed to have shown a lot of improvement last year.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:23 PM

The OP is wrong about not needing to bring in any other WRs, we need new blood in our receiving corps to mix things up. Granted, our oline sucked last year and didn't help our run or pass game, but the same WRs that we have weren't getting open. We need to bring in someone new.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:31 PM

I disagre with the OP.  I love Jacoby and am excited that hes back and will most likely retire as a raven.  But to say Steve Smith wouldnt be an upgrade is just not right.  I like his physicalness and would love him to come to baltimore if the price was right, i personally would rather have edlemen. 


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:34 PM

I like Jacoby alot but he is not an all around reciever. The offensive is a bigger need but we should definitely add another target for Flacco. To say we dont need any other recievers is nonsense. Also i dont really want Smith either. He is great when he wants to be but even if he does well i dont see why we would pass up a young reciever who could help our offense for years to sign somebody Smith's age. Also there are some pretty nice TE's available. Oh and i could be wrong and hopefully i am but didnt Kubiak cut Jacoby when he was in Houston? If im right i dont really see how having both would help much.
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:36 PM

Just to clear up the Smith situation. Im not opposed to signing him. I think he could help if his head is in the right place. I just would rather bring in a younger reciever or two.
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:44 PM

The OP is wrong about not needing to bring in any other WRs, we need new blood in or receiving corps to mix things up. Granted, our oline sucked last year and didn't help our run or pass game, but the same WRs that we have weren't getting open. We need to bring in someone new.

 

One has to ask oneself, "how much do I trust the Raven front office to use our 1st round pick on a wide receiver?"  Don't trust them on that at all.

 

Worse yet, receivers like Marquise Lee are likely to be whats available come the Raven's turn.  No smurfs....no smurfs coming off injury....but the fear is that Oz has the old Ozmobile cranked up for just such a pick.

 

Don't do it Oz....Don't do it, you'll regret it.

 

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:47 PM

I was pretty much with you until the last paragraph. Bringing in more talent couldn't hurt


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:54 PM

love jacoby, one of my all time favorite ravens, and ecstatic that he is back and I like him even more knowing he turned down more money from NY just to come back to us. but lets be real, he is a playmaker, a deep threat, and a luxury weapon that fits perfectly for our big armed qb to throw to on occasions, is he in any way, shape, or form a reliable #2 or even #3? not even close, especially when the other 2 receivers we have aren't well rounded at all.

 

there is still a shortage at WR, and jacoby is at his best when being limited to returning every kick/punt, and being the 4th/5th option in pass plays.

 

give the guy the snap count he deserves, he will make his plays, but he isn't gonna run a 8 yard hook or catch and break a quick slant in traffic on 3rd & 7 in crunchtime every week, we need a guy out there who can do that, neither torrey, marlon, nor jacoby can do that(torrey will break almost any slant, as long as he cuts right on the route and gets open enough to catch it, which he doesn't do consistently) pitta is our only great hands and precise route running receiving threat, we need to add another to compliment what we currently have, all it takes is 1 more well rounded receiver to make this offense take off.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:20 PM

I find it very hard to believe that we will be okay with just Jacoby, Torrey, and Brown even if our running game/o-line get fixed.


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:25 PM

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:29 PM

One has to ask oneself, "how much do I trust the Raven front office to use our 1st round pick on a wide receiver?" Don't trust them on that at all.

Worse yet, receivers like Marquise Lee are likely to be whats available come the Raven's turn. No smurfs....no smurfs coming off injury....but the fear is that Oz has the old Ozmobile cranked up for just such a pick.

Don't do it Oz....Don't do it, you'll regret it.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 06:26 AM

love jacoby, one of my all time favorite ravens, and ecstatic that he is back and I like him even more knowing he turned down more money from NY just to come back to us. but lets be real, he is a playmaker, a deep threat, and a luxury weapon that fits perfectly for our big armed qb to throw to on occasions, is he in any way, shape, or form a reliable #2 or even #3? not even close, especially when the other 2 receivers we have aren't well rounded at all.

 

there is still a shortage at WR, and jacoby is at his best when being limited to returning every kick/punt, and being the 4th/5th option in pass plays.

 

give the guy the snap count he deserves, he will make his plays, but he isn't gonna run a 8 yard hook or catch and break a quick slant in traffic on 3rd & 7 in crunchtime every week, we need a guy out there who can do that, neither torrey, marlon, nor jacoby can do that(torrey will break almost any slant, as long as he cuts right on the route and gets open enough to catch it, which he doesn't do consistently) pitta is our only great hands and precise route running receiving threat, we need to add another to compliment what we currently have, all it takes is 1 more well rounded receiver to make this offense take off.

 

Julian Edelman comes to mind here.


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:16 AM

I don't understand why people think that Kubiak "knows how to use Jones" just because they were together in Houston.

Nobody thought if Jacoby as a receiving threat until he came to Baltimore.  And that's with Baltimore having many more receiving threats to take targets away from Jones.

Back in Houston, they had Andre Johnson and really nobody else consistently.  And yet, Jacoby was an afterthought.

Even after Jones has proven he can play receiver, I hear plenty of people in Baltimore disrespeect him.  Saying he's nothing more than a deep ball threat.  They failed to see that he was actually Flacco's favorite target preseason and very early in the regular season before he got injured by his own player.  He was actually running those over the middle routes quite nicely.

And to top it all off, after disrespecting Jacoby Jones... people bring up Steve Smith as a guy who would come in and do what Jacoby supposedly can't?


Let me get this straight.... Steve Smith.  The guy who is world famous for quitting on routes and belittling his quarterbacks?  The guy who flips out worse than Boldin would when his quarterback missed him being wide open?  That really doesn't sound like the type of receiver the Ravens want around Flacco.  If a corner guesses right and is tight on Smith's first cut.... he'll often just stop the route which usually only leads to bad things.

I'm glad the Ravens re-signed Jacoby.  It's a move I said should have been made all along, which is why I'm shocked it actually happened.  Glad the Ravens didn't cater to the masses on this one.  They don't need to bring in more receivers.  Anyone taking away snaps from Smith, Jones, and Brown.... is a bad idea.  Worry about improving the line... running game... and quarterback play.  The recievers will be just fine if that other stuff gets staightened out.

 

 

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here and I'm glad someone else saw Jacoby's desire and improvement in his second year as a Raven. I think most discount the fact that we had 0 running game and horrible O line play that, in general, stifled last year's passing game. Contrary to popular belief, I think Dragonfly can be a reliable target. Fix the O line and running game and it will make Joe and all of the incumbent receivers much better. 

 

That said, I do feel we need to bring in a "Stokley" type guy to play in the slot, someone we just don't have now.


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