[News] Ravens Reach Four-Year Agreement With Jacoby Jones

[ozrave]

Your comment is fine ; just light.

[Ed_Reezy]

I guess my point is flacco doesnt need the best weapons... he needs the best line.

[Kozak02]

I just dont get your reasoning. Move KO to center which he has never played, which leaves holes at LG and RT? Instead of just having holes at center and RT?

[ozrave]

@Ed_Reezy, your comments are well made.

@Kozak02, Your comment is fine ; just light.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

@Postapocalypse Raven, don't buy your line that Coach Harbaugh wants Darryl Smith gone. The FO has earmarked the DS deal as needing to get done. And Coach and the FO are hand in glove.

Steve Smith, not Darryl.

[ozrave]

@PR, you know more than the FO knew when they stated their clear priorities.

[ozrave]

@Kozak02, reason is Gs are far more plentiful than Cs. We can graft another G into KO's role. What we can't do is get someone big into C that has brains and brawn, and already some time close to the action. This is not THE priority; I'm wondering aloud why the FO could not be considering it, esp. as KO is going to be fresh to the Line anyway.

[Kozak02]

Im sorry, but you make very little sense to me. Where are you getting that KO is smarter and stronger than the other offensive linemen and therefore will make a good longterm solution at C? How are you quantifying KO's intellect and comparing it to the other linemen? How are you quantifying KO's strength in comparison to the other linemen. What are your reasons for NOT moving Yanda or Monroe to Center? Because they're dumber or weaker? Is it just me? Or is anyone else having trouble following this guy?

[ozrave]

Perhaps I have no point at all. KO picked up the roles quickly. He's big, and we need to up-size. Not trying to be clever ; just thinking aloud about another solution at C (because it may be we have nothing other than very expensive options). Shall shut up now.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

I'm sorry but jacoby isn't part of the answer for anything.

He was only part of the answer to us winning a Lombardi Trophy.

[verified]

this is big for our special teams but not our offense..

[Postapocalypse Raven]

@PR, you know more than the FO knew when they stated their clear priorities.

Whats been stated clearly is that Harbs doesn't like trouble makers. He's gotten rid of players that have been far less disruptive than Steve Smith has been.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

Re-signings are still moves...

Yep... some people tend to over think things and try way too hard to sound intelligent when most of the time the simplest answers are the best.

[mendii]

Seems like we're setting our sights on Clinton-Dix to me.

[ozrave]

@Postapocalypse Raven, that's far from your original point. It was that Darryl Smith has too much spine for Coach Harbaugh. That flies in the face of what the FO has stated as it's goal : to re-sign him.

[r7o2d6]

this is big for our special teams but not our offense..

Let's not forget JJ played a huge part in winning that game against the Vikings last year. Can't say he won the game, but... Came just about as close as a single player can come to winning a game by himself. So to even imply that signing him isn't great for the team is pretty stupid. He is good out of the slot, and was able to get open not last year but the year before. That is of course before all of the bogus play calling. 

[Postapocalypse Raven]

@Postapocalypse Raven, that's far from your original point. It was that Darryl Smith has too much spine for Coach Harbaugh. That flies in the face of what the FO has stated as it's goal : to re-sign him.

You must have missed the post that I sent to you at 12:30. I already told you that I wasn't talking about Daryl Smith. I was,and still am talking about Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers. Go back and read.

[ozrave]

right you are.

[Postapocalypse Raven]

No worries  

[Ravens_Flock]

I like Jones, but the fact is, we're still overpaying for what is essentially a return specialist. Yes, he can make plays as a receiver, but he is not a #2 WR. Marlon Brown is more reliable as that, and we still need a slot guy, which Jacoby also isn't.

[law215]

There are 3 phases in football offense , defense, and special teams. Most would say to win on Sunday you need to be better than the other team in 2 of the 3 areas. Having Tucker and Jones gives the Ravens an opportunity to win on Special teams by being in position to score. I like the move since 4.5 guaranteed over 4 years is not bad if it helps win on Sunday which JJ has done for the Ravens on many occasions.

[Moderator 3]

I like Jones, but the fact is, we're still overpaying for what is essentially a return specialist. Yes, he can make plays as a receiver, but he is not a #2 WR. Marlon Brown is more reliable as that, and we still need a slot guy, which Jacoby also isn't.

Since the Giants were offering him even more, I don't think we're overpaying.

[ReginaldColeman1]

Jacoby came in at an affordable price. He's tough. why change horses now?

[picke]

Yes! The scoring threat that exposed Tomlin's version of "prevent defense" is still a Raven!

[trevorsteadman]

I like Jones, but the fact is, we're still overpaying for what is essentially a return specialist. Yes, he can make plays as a receiver, but he is not a #2 WR. Marlon Brown is more reliable as that, and we still need a slot guy, which Jacoby also isn't.

You are just repeating what everyone on ESPN says... Fact is how many games has Jacoby came up with big plays and returns for us to win? Remember the Vikings game? He made one of the game winning touchdowns... Fact is Jacoby is more than just a returner. He is a returner first but also pretty good in the receiving. I wouldn't call him bad at it. He gives Flacco good field position to work with and a deep threat alongside Torrey Smith. Unfortunately the Ravens were not able to throw the deep ball last season because of the offensive line or you would've saw him more. I think Jacoby will be wide open on a bunch of play action passes this next season as long as the Ravens get the running game to start going. And this contract is really only a 2 year contract then all the guaranteed money is gone... I thought it wasn't a bad deal at all considering other teams were offering more. 

[crabby]

The guy can change the game every time he touches the ball. Possible YAC, deep ball, punt/kick returns. He is a game changer. You can't expect him to do it every game. That is not a fair assessment but if he can help us win games you cant ask anything more than that. He is the only Ravens returner that actually gets my complete attention on kick offs. Not many guys in the entire league can do that. Great signing that I didn't see coming.

[trevorsteadman]

The guy can change the game every time he touches the ball. Possible YAC, deep ball, punt/kick returns. He is a game changer. You can't expect him to do it every game. That is not a fair assessment but if he can help us win games you cant ask anything more than that. He is the only Ravens returner that actually gets my complete attention on kick offs. Not many guys in the entire league can do that. Great signing that I didn't see coming.

The guy loves Baltimore to take less money to stay and I agree. Assuming the player has to return a kick every game for a touchdown is wrong. I bet if you looked at the stats Jacoby Jones has probably the best average field position per return. He saves many games that the Ravens almost lose. 

[trevorsteadman]

Let's not forget JJ played a huge part in winning that game against the Vikings last year. Can't say he won the game, but... Came just about as close as a single player can come to winning a game by himself. So to even imply that signing him isn't great for the team is pretty stupid. He is good out of the slot, and was able to get open not last year but the year before. That is of course before all of the bogus play calling. 

Agreed and don't forget the offensive line. Most blitzed quarterback never had time to throw it deep where Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones thrive. If the Ravens line becomes solid, mark my words, I think Torrey Smith will become a top 5 in receiving yards. 

[Dwayne Watts]

We are doing a great job of keeping our own players but what about D.Smith

He and Alex Smith ought to be top priorities at this point, imho, because these guys are actually play callers which is very important. However, Steve Smith WILL be released today. This, imho, makes things that much more complex. Go Ozzie & Co., go!!! :-)

[rmcjacket23]

You are just repeating what everyone on ESPN says... Fact is how many games has Jacoby came up with big plays and returns for us to win? Remember the Vikings game? He made one of the game winning touchdowns... Fact is Jacoby is more than just a returner. He is a returner first but also pretty good in the receiving. I wouldn't call him bad at it. He gives Flacco good field position to work with and a deep threat alongside Torrey Smith. Unfortunately the Ravens were not able to throw the deep ball last season because of the offensive line or you would've saw him more. I think Jacoby will be wide open on a bunch of play action passes this next season as long as the Ravens get the running game to start going. And this contract is really only a 2 year contract then all the guaranteed money is gone... I thought it wasn't a bad deal at all considering other teams were offering more. 

Its not a bad deal in terms of the financial committment, because they can get out of it easily if it doesn't pan out.

But lets not kid ourselves... the offense will be more effective if Jacoby is on the field less. We know this for several reasons...

1. We intend to run the ball more, and run the ball more effectively. If Joe is throwing it less, it means Jacoby is on the field less. The most prevalent times that Jacoby was on the field were on 3rd and long (which occurs due to penalties and a lack of a running game) and in the hurry up offense.

2. I think every single person on these boards expects the Ravens to add at least one more viable receiver this offseason, whether thats through FA or the draft, and I personally think it will be two.

3. As such, whoever we add is very, very likely to be ahead of Jacoby on the depth chart, for obvious reasons.

Therefore, Jacoby is at best the #4 WR, and the #5 option in the passing game, behind Smith, Pitta, Brown and at least one person that we add this offseason. So assuming that we are able to run the ball better and that Kubiak doesn't design a 5 wide, go-route based passing attack, can somebody tell me precisely when they expect Jacoby to be on the field on offense? I mean I'd consider 10 snaps a game to be optimistic based on what I see.

If he's on the field, in my opinion, the offense isn't doing what its supposed to be doing. We are either playing from behind, or we are in 3rd and long often, neither of which is a good thing.

If nothing else... I'd be slightly worried if I were a big supporter of guys like Brown and Mellette, because if they are competing for #2 or #3 WR roles, and they struggle, they will have an extremely short leash.

If we add even one pass catcher, I don't see how Mellette is even active on gamedays without injuries. And remember, some of you want to add Owen Daniels as another TE option too. Depth is always good, but I think some of you overvalue what certain players on this team bring to the offense.