Ravens re-sign WR Jacoby Jones - 4 years

[TonyTone1192]

This is a HUGE shock! Hope we didn't overpay him.. We need a Center, a FS, a RT, and a ILB!

 

This is a HUGE shock! Hope we didn't overpay him.. We need a Center, a FS, a RT, and a ILB!

 

Ozzie doesn't overpay guys! lol

And I agree, I thought for sure that we were going to let him go. But he's arguable the best return man in the game so having him back is not bad at all for our special teams

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm acutally alright with Smith, Brown & Jacoby as the top 3. I'm tired of bringing in vets that are pretty much done who always let us down and don't play their contract worth.

this. we aren't done with WR's and if we bring in steve smith, it might be a nice veteran presence to have and he brings a attitude to our WR corps, but we aren't going to settle with that. ozzie is gonna draft a WR, its all but certain. theres too wide a variety of talent in the draft at WR.

[TonyTone1192]

Replacing is much better. I'd rather give guys like Mellette a chance as our #3/4. Go at Steve Smith, Edelman, draft one or two receivers. I've seen what Jacoby can do, and that's far from enough. I've never said anything about replacing Pitta. Pitta is great. Jacoby could've been shown the door, just like Dickson and Clark. Now replace the bums with someone that has potential.

 

Please don't forget how AWFUL our return game was before we had Jacoby. don't forget that Harbs has a background in ST's and he probably remembered that. He's arguably the best return man in the game today. It seems that when our offense is struggling he provides us with a much needed lift with his return abilities, and that shouldn't be overlooked.

[Ravenslifer]

Replacing is much better. I'd rather give guys like Mellette a chance as our #3/4. Go at Steve Smith, Edelman, draft one or two receivers. I've seen what Jacoby can do, and that's far from enough. I've never said anything about replacing Pitta. Pitta is great. Jacoby could've been shown the door, just like Dickson and Clark. Now replace the bums with someone that has potential.

 

Mallette will get his chance, and would have gotten it whether Jacoby was here or not - right now even with Jacoby that leaves three known receivers on this roster with 6 spots to fill.  Mallette's competition right now is not Jacoby Jones - it's Deonte Thompson, Gerrard Sheppard, and Kamar Aiken.

 

Edelman I think will be too expensive, but Steve Smith can still be a Raven, and would actually be a great benefit for Jacoby because he is A) a starter that kicks Brown to number 3 and Jacoby down to the number 4 spot, and B. is an inside receiver that keeps Jacoby outside.  Jacoby doesn't kill the chances of adding an impact player, he just makes it so when that guy arrives, our #3-6 receivers are that much stronger.

 

I think you're looking at this from the perspective of Jacoby taking a spot from a potential number 2 or 3 receiver, when I think it's more likely we bring in a guy like that anyway, enhancing Jacoby's ability because he'll be going up against even weaker competition as the number 4 receiver.

[TonyTone1192]

If anyone thinks this takes us out of the running for other receivers: 

 

 

Per Jason La Canfora's Twitter 

 

Posted in the offense thread, but meant to post it here. lol

 

I don't want Edelman. I think that he was a product of his system. Plus we already have a slot receiver in Thompson. We need a guy who can play opposite of Torrey. I'd be surprised if we end up getting Edelman.

[Gordo52]

Jacoby's salary doesn't dictate that he's a star WR though. It dictates that he's a star KR and a solid #3/4 option. That's exactly what he is and this contract is right in line with what guys like that get.

Bingo

[ravensdan]

Holiday

He's also 5'5 170 lbs. his career will be over with a direct hit. That's why it's too dangerous to play him at all on offense. And why he has a propensity to lose the ball.

[bMore Heathen]

this. we aren't done with WR's and if we bring in steve smith, it might be a nice veteran presence to have and he brings a attitude to our WR corps, but we aren't going to settle with that. ozzie is gonna draft a WR, its all but certain. theres too wide a variety of talent in the draft at WR.

I don't know about that. If we sign Steve Smith, we have Jones, Smith, Smith, Marlon, and Mallette. If we do draft a WR, I doubt it would be high. He would be the 6th receiver on the depth chart. I would like to see us focus on our other needs, other then WR in FA.

[arnie_uk]

Ignoring the personal attacks, lets not act like Jacoby is a great receiver. He's a decent option for 20 or so snaps a game, open it up a bit, but his value is 95 percent in the return game.

We paid him to be the best return man in the league, that offers a little something as a pass catcher. Lets not let nostalgia get the better of us here

[Tank 92]

Yes, and the offense transformed when Jacoby and Pitta came back. And Rice got healthier. Leaves us kind of thin don't you think? The offense was in shambles and absolutely pathetic all year. Some because of injuries. But mostly because of talent. And if you don't see that, then you simply are blind.

 

 

You're right about the missing talent, but it wasn't at WR. It was on the O line.

[Ravenslifer]

Ignoring the personal attacks, lets not act like Jacoby is a great receiver. He's a decent option for 20 or so snaps a game, open it up a bit, but his value is 95 percent in the return game.

We paid him to be the best return man in the league, that offers a little something as a pass catcher. Lets not let nostalgia get the better of us here

 

He's not a starter, but right now he's number 3 on the depth chart, probably will move to number 4, could move to number 5 on the depth chart.  In a role like that I think he's a total steal.

[arnie_uk]

You're right about the missing talent, but it wasn't at WR. It was on the O line.

dont even try and argue we weren't lacking talent at wideout. We were talent deficient there all year.

[rmw10]

Ignoring the personal attacks, lets not act like Jacoby is a great receiver. He's a decent option for 20 or so snaps a game, open it up a bit, but his value is 95 percent in the return game.

We paid him to be the best return man in the league, that offers a little something as a pass catcher. Lets not let nostalgia get the better of us here

 

This is exactly it.  He's not a great WR, but he's an adequate option to stretch the field and create a threat.  This is a signing for a premier KR guy.  There's value to be had in both, and I feel that value matches well to what we're paying him.

[Sami84]

Ignoring the personal attacks, lets not act like Jacoby is a great receiver. He's a decent option for 20 or so snaps a game, open it up a bit, but his value is 95 percent in the return game.

We paid him to be the best return man in the league, that offers a little something as a pass catcher. Lets not let nostalgia get the better of us here

finally...someone who keeps it real!

[arnie_uk]

He's not a starter, but right now he's number 3 on the depth chart, probably will move to number 4, could move to number 5 on the depth chart. In a role like that I think he's a total steal.

he won't be number three come the start of the year. We will draft and possibly sign another wideout. We also have mellette. Im not sure Thompson makes it this year. Smith brown jones draftee signee mellette is how I see it, in no order

[Ravenslifer]

he won't be number three come the start of the year. We will draft and possibly sign another wideout. We also have mellette. Im not sure Thompson makes it this year. Smith brown jones draftee signee mellette is how I see it, in no order

 

That's what I mean by moving down the depth chart - I expect Smith obviously to start, and I think either a vet like Steve Smith or a draft pick like Jarvis Landry could step in right away and be number 2.  Marlon moves to number 3, so at best Jacoby is number 4.  And that's a role I think he could be devastating in - most teams don't have the secondary depth to compete with 4 solid receiving weapons, and that's not counting Pitta.

[arnie_uk]

This is exactly it. He's not a great WR, but he's an adequate option to stretch the field and create a threat. This is a signing for a premier KR guy. There's value to be had in both, and I feel that value matches well to what we're paying him.

while I think an average of 3.5 is a bit high, the True value Lies in the signing bonus which isnt a lot. The only way he will see the 14 mil is if he is killing it with his returns. If not he's very cutable. At first glance it seems high, but its well structured and has an easy out if need be. And if its not needed, its likely hes earned every penny and is the leading return man the next 4 years or so.

[arnie_uk]

That's what I mean by moving down the depth chart - I expect Smith obviously to start, and I think either a vet like Steve Smith or a draft pick like Jarvis Landry could step in right away and be number 2. Marlon moves to number 3, so at best Jacoby is number 4. And that's a role I think he could be devastating in - most teams don't have the secondary depth to compete with 4 solid receiving weapons, and that's not counting Pitta.

while you understand that it appesrs some people believe Jacoby is a viable every snap receiving threat, he's clearly not, as evidenced last year towards the end when he was asked to run more complex routes etc and looked out of place.

[rmw10]

while I think an average of 3.5 is a bit high, the True value Lies in the signing bonus which isnt a lot. The only way he will see the 14 mil is if he is killing it with his returns. If not he's very cutable. At first glance it seems high, but its well structured and has an easy out if need be. And if its not needed, its likely hes earned every penny and is the leading return man the next 4 years or so.

 

Yeah that's what I've been saying all along, but no one seems to realize that the guarantee is the most important part.  The cap hit will be manageable for the first 2 years most likely, and we can take it on a year by year basis from there.  If we have to cut him, no big deal.  There's very little dead money coming our way.

[1/28/01]

while you understand that it appesrs some people believe Jacoby is a viable every snap receiving threat, he's clearly not, as evidenced last year towards the end when he was asked to run more complex routes etc and looked out of place.

Who has said or implied that? Honest question.

[Puntit]

he won't be number three come the start of the year. We will draft and possibly sign another wideout. We also have mellette. Im not sure Thompson makes it this year. Smith brown jones draftee signee mellette is how I see it, in no order

I don't see that Thompson has much of a chance to make the team, barring injuries. He was never as good as Doss and offered less on special teams than Doss, and Doss, rightly, has already been cut. Totally agree Smith, brown, Jones, Melette, a veteran free agent and a draft pick will likely be our six WRs. Order will depend on how things play out in preseason.

[Ravensfan23]

I don't know about that. If we sign Steve Smith, we have Jones, Smith, Smith, Marlon, and Mallette. If we do draft a WR, I doubt it would be high. He would be the 6th receiver on the depth chart. I would like to see us focus on our other needs, other then WR in FA.

I don't completely agree wiith this. I do think signing Steve would allow the Ravens to pinpoint another position early in the draft, but if a WR is drafted early, I don't think he's automatically the #6 guy. Nothing is promised to Mellette but the opportunity to compete. As good as Brown was as a rookie he still has to prove he can be a reliable guy. Too many times you see a guy have one solid year as a rookie then fall off the next year. Just think about Peirce and KO, even though injuries had a lot to doo with it, they were nowhere near as good in year 2. Then you have Jacoby who is more of a specialist/deep threat and if Steve Smith was added he'd only be on a 1-2yr deal as a older player. So I hardly think we are set at the WR position to the extent that a high drafted rookie would automatically be the #6 WR.

[rmw10]

I don't completely agree wiith this. I do think signing Steve would allow the Ravens to pinpoint another position early in the draft, but if a WR is drafted early, I don't think he's automatically the #6 guy. Nothing is promised to Mellette but the opportunity to compete. As good as Brown was as a rookie he still has to prove he can be a reliable guy. Too many times you see a guy have one solid year as a rookie then fall off the next year. Just think about Peirce and KO, even though injuries had a lot to doo with it, they were nowhere near as good in year 2. Then you have Jacoby who is more of a specialist/deep threat and if Steve Smith was added he'd only be on a 1-2yr deal as a older player. So I hardly think we are set at the WR position to the extent that a high drafted rookie would automatically be the #6 WR.

 

I agree.  If we do end up with Steve Smith or Julian Edelman even, I suspect WR would move down on our list, but not to the late rounds.  I'd honestly expect a 3rd round WR if we bring in another FA.

[Tank 92]

dont even try and argue we weren't lacking talent at wideout. We were talent deficient there all year.

 

 

There was enough there to succeed on some level had there been some sort of running game and decent O line play. In other words, lack of talent at WR was the least of the offense's issues. And Jones made enough plays in that pathetic scenario to show that he had in fact improved. I think he will improve even more. 

[arnie_uk]

Who has said or implied that? Honest question.

while I didnt read every post there was some heated debate which lead to a few personal attacks a page or so go on his role and how good a receiver he was.

[arnie_uk]

There was enough there to succeed on some level had there been some sort of running game and decent O line play. In other words, lack of talent at WR was the least of the offense's issues. And Jones made enough plays in that pathetic scenario to show that he had in fact improved. I think he will improve even more.

I thought the opposite. He was asked to do more and looked like a fish out of water to me

[Moderator 3]

while I think an average of 3.5 is a bit high, the True value Lies in the signing bonus which isnt a lot. The only way he will see the 14 mil is if he is killing it with his returns. If not he's very cutable. At first glance it seems high, but its well structured and has an easy out if need be. And if its not needed, its likely hes earned every penny and is the leading return man the next 4 years or so.

That average includes incentives. His base contract is much less. I've read that more than $2 million is incentives, mostly tied to receptions.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I hear those saying we could've got Holliday for the same thing but he offers nothing as a receiver and you don't know that he'd sign for the vet min. Plus Jacoby is well liked and respected in the locker room, and most importantly has experience in this offense.

I'm sure some will downplay the importance of that but continuity through this transition is going to be important. Continuity with Joe is going to be important. And having a receiver in the meeting room and on the training ground who knows what Kubiak is lookin for and knows how to translate it in language and terms the existing guys understand will be a big asset as we transition to this new offense.

It's a good deal, not a great one, but I don't buy for a second that Holliday and a late round pick would have been the better option. We're not done at receiver.

[Puntit]

I don't know about that. If we sign Steve Smith, we have Jones, Smith, Smith, Marlon, and Mallette. If we do draft a WR, I doubt it would be high. He would be the 6th receiver on the depth chart. I would like to see us focus on our other needs, other then WR in FA.

Ozzie will draft the best player available. This year is better stocked with talented WRs than usual so I doubt he will pass on all of them in the early rounds. I could see him trading out of the first to get one though.

[arnie_uk]

That average includes incentives. His base contract is much less. I've read that more than $2 million is incentives, mostly tied to receptions.

premise still stands. Its the base salary that matters for this kind of signing. Is it an easy out? Yes, can't argue he's overpaid because the only way he'd be paid thr money is if he's earning it.

Compare that to say rices deal, it wasn't an easy out and thus are hands are tied, same as ngata.

Signing bonus is the key figure in any deal