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Pernell McPhee

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I'm just curious what you guys think about this. Pernell had a great start to his career in Baltimore, but since then he has kind of fallen off a little bit. Overall, I think he is an odd fit in the 3-4 scheme. He needs to have his hand in the dirt every play as a 4-3 DE. Just wondered what you guys thought about trading McPhee to a team needing a defensive end (I was thinking the Cowboys, but a few other teams that could use depth could be the Bears, Giants, or maybe even the Jaguars). We have Terrell Suggs, Elvis Dumervil, Courtney Upshaw, John Simon, Adrian Hamilton, and even McClellan who can play OLB. If on board, what would you expect/want for him?

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He's in a tricky spot. I like him a lot, but I don't know that a team would actually be willing to trade anything for him. He hasn't exactly shown that he can stay healthy, and he's been silent for 2 years now. He actually didn't look too bad in his limited pass rush attempts last year, but if we could get something for him, I would.

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switching him to OLB was a bad idea, he isn't built for 4-3 DE, he isn't built for 3-4 OLB, he needs to bulk back up and go to back to his rookie position at 3-4 DE, he had the most success there, his skillset in the nfl is best suited for it, he doesn't have huge burst, but he is agile, heavy handed, skilled with his handwork, and very strong. idk why we tried to fix what isn't broken with him and change his position like we did with kruger, if we keep it up, hes gonna get healthy and have a breakout season and hes gonna get paid elsewhere and were gonna feel stupid for moving the guy around everywhere

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His constant injuries are the reason why he's never been the same. Cut him or leave him in the rotation it doesn't make much difference, he has no trade value.

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He's definitely at his best in the 4-3, but I wouldn't even say it's as a 4-3 DE. I think his best play came in our 4-3 looks when he was able to play 4-3 DT as an interior rusher. He was very good his rookie year in that role.

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Maybe it's just that he doesn't fit in to Dean Pees type of defensive scheme but it could be the injuries. I kinda expect him to bounce back next season.

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It would be no better than a late round pick.  Better off just keeping him.

also isn't he playing this year for a chance to a nicer pay-check? arthur jones was good before last season, but he up-ed his game loads going into his last contract year...

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also isn't he playing this year for a chance to a nicer pay-check? arthur jones was good before last season, but he up-ed his game loads going into his last contract year...

 

McPhee will play lights out this year and some other team will over pay for him next year. It's the theme we seem to be following.

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I'd trade him. Hell yeah. It's the final year of his deal. Get what we can. Send him to the Cowboys who need cheap pass rush. We can keep Hamilton around.

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We need to replace Arthur Jones, we are thin at D- LINE. I like Pernell but Im not sure he can be a starter there. We need sign FA or draft one. Whats the story on Kapron Lewis-Moore, our draft pick from last year?

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I hope we bulk him up to his rookie year weight and have him replace Arthur Jones in pass rushing situations that should be his best role.

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McPhee is still a really good player. Remember our Super Bowl run when Ravens were taking the Pats to school? McPhee was in Brady's face all night, tipping balls and really on his game. I think he should've never been moved to OLB. He can be disruptive as a 3-4 DE when healthy.

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McPhee is still a really good player. Remember our Super Bowl run when Ravens were taking the Pats to school? McPhee was in Brady's face all night, tipping balls and really on his game. I think he should've never been moved to OLB. He can be disruptive as a 3-4 DE when healthy.

While I agree, I think McPhee was moved in part to a few reasons. First, when he gained weight his second year (the year we lost Redding) he was ineffective and didn't seem to have the conditioning to play all downs. I think the move to OLB was to help him be better conditioned. I'm not fond of it, personally. I'd prefer to return him to his rookie weight and move him back to DT. 

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He could honestly be on the chopping block this year.  He has a poor track record of health and he doesn't have a true position.  He's too small to stand up physically in the trenches, and he's a bit too big to be an effective pass rusher from OLB in the 3-4.  His best position is as a 4-3 DE or interior pass rusher in nickel situations, but those positions are pretty crowded as well.  Someone like Adrian Hamilton could very well push him out of a spot.

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He could honestly be on the chopping block this year.  He has a poor track record of health and he doesn't have a true position.  He's too small to stand up physically in the trenches, and he's a bit too big to be an effective pass rusher from OLB in the 3-4.  His best position is as a 4-3 DE or interior pass rusher in nickel situations, but those positions are pretty crowded as well.  Someone like Adrian Hamilton could very well push him out of a spot.

I'd really be all for trading him to a team like the Cowboys. What kind of value do you see him having? I have an idea myself, but I'd like to hear it from someone else. I think we're more likely to hold onto him and try to use him as a role player to get him attention and then let him walk to get us a comp pick. That's my opinion, though. 

 

Personally, I think it's time to move on right now if we can. He's a great role player but like Kruger, if we can cash in on him then I would. That's how I feel, anyway. 

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I'd really be all for trading him to a team like the Cowboys. What kind of value do you see him having? I have an idea myself, but I'd like to hear it from someone else. I think we're more likely to hold onto him and try to use him as a role player to get him attention and then let him walk to get us a comp pick. That's my opinion, though.

Personally, I think it's time to move on right now if we can. He's a great role player but like Kruger, if we can cash in on him then I would. That's how I feel, anyway.

I don't really know if he has any trade value. Oft injured and has been silent for the past 2 years. If we could cast him off for a 7th, I'd do it. He just hasn't come close to replicating that rookie success and is a bit of an odd fit on the team, especially with a young promising player behind him in Hamilton. It's unfortunate since I really like him, but I think he's reached his peak in our scheme and could use a change of scenery.

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I don't really know if he has any trade value. Oft injured and has been silent for the past 2 years. If we could cast him off for a 7th, I'd do it. He just hasn't come close to replicating that rookie success and is a bit of an odd fit on the team, especially with a young promising player behind him in Hamilton. It's unfortunate since I really like him, but I think he's reached his peak in our scheme and could use a change of scenery.

I think about the same in terms of compensation. I could see a conditional pick, however, like Barnes. He actually reminds me of Barnes. I think I would try to put him back at DT now that we lost Jones and try to get some value out of him. Play him like in his rookie year. It's better than OLB where he's wasting, IMO. I agree regarding Hamilton. 

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I think about the same in terms of compensation. I could see a conditional pick, however, like Barnes. He actually reminds me of Barnes. I think I would try to put him back at DT now that we lost Jones and try to get some value out of him. Play him like in his rookie year. It's better than OLB where he's wasting, IMO. I agree regarding Hamilton.

Yeah if we do keep him, I'd much rather see him as a rotational guy in the nickel package in the trenches. He's got some value still, but looks like he could be the odd man out. He didn't look terrible at OLB, but we have a lot of better options there.

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Yeah if we do keep him, I'd much rather see him as a rotational guy in the nickel package in the trenches. He's got some value still, but looks like he could be the odd man out. He didn't look terrible at OLB, but we have a lot of better options there.

The one thing I really liked about McPhee was his ability to knock away balls and get deflections almost like JJ Watt. He has a knack for that. 

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Wrote in some other thread on the first day of FA. That I hoped McPhee was moved back to DE with the departure of Art Jones ( we knew it was coming). McPhee , Tyson, Lewis-Moore can compete. And I'm sure more depth will be added for competition.

I never liked the idea of moving McPhee to OLB, I disliked it even more once we got Dumervil because with him, Upshaw, Suggs, it really meant even less snaps to go around to figure out if the McPhee experiment could work.

It gave me that Paul Kruger feel like leave that guy at a position please, rather than creating versatility, it may have hindered his development.

McPhee was at his best at DE and on 3rd downs sliding inside rushing over guards.

Injuries have held him back.

People shouldn't sleep on Lewis-Moore when he was drafted I felt the same way about Art jones. Big athletic near 300 lbs guy coming off an injury which ruined his draft status.

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Wrote in some other thread on the first day of FA. That I hoped McPhee was moved back to DE with the departure of Art Jones ( we knew it was coming). McPhee , Tyson, Lewis-Moore can compete. And I'm sure more depth will be added for competition.

I never liked the idea of moving McPhee to OLB, I disliked it even more once we got Dumervil because with him, Upshaw, Suggs, it really meant even less snaps to go around to figure out if the McPhee experiment could work.

It gave me that Paul Kruger feel like leave that guy at a position please, rather than creating versatility, it may have hindered his development.

McPhee was at his best at DE and on 3rd downs sliding inside rushing over guards.

Injuries have held him back.

People shouldn't sleep on Lewis-Moore when he was drafted I felt the same way about Art jones. Big athletic near 300 lbs guy coming off an injury which ruined his draft status.

I feel the same way. I wish we left McPhee at DE but I get why we moved him. Still, I think it was a mistake. I also feel KLM will be another Arthur Jones. Very similar players.
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The one thing I really liked about McPhee was his ability to knock away balls and get deflections almost like JJ Watt. He has a knack for that. 

That's not all he can do. He had six sacks in his rookie season. I am aware that since then his numbers had dropped. It's also best to keep at mind that he spent most of the 2012 season dealing with an injury, and that he added a SACK/FUMBLE on Peyton Manning in the Mile High game.

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That's not all he can do. He had six sacks in his rookie season. I am aware that since then his numbers had dropped. It's also best to keep at mind that he spent most of the 2012 season dealing with an injury, and that he added a SACK/FUMBLE on Peyton Manning in the Mile High game.

I know. I'm just saying that knocking down balls is more of a trait than anything. I don't see that a lot.

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He'll probably be an after preseason cut if he hasn't shown us that he's going to have a breakout year before his contract is up. Regardless of everything that he went through with injuries and with positional changes I think he's going to have an impact this year. At least that's what I hope lol he is very large depth with good strength on the DL and we're going to need that going forward. 

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Next Man Up!

 

Arthur Jones is gone, so there's a spot open.

 

Current D-Line:

 

DE: Chris Canty

NT: Brandon Willliams

DE; Haloti Ngata

 

Depth:

Kapron Lewis-Moore

Pernell McPhee

DeAngelo Tyson

Cody Larsen

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