Is it True? Joe Flacco has the most fumbles in the NFL?

[ellicottraven]

This is a sincere question for the stats guys in here and NOT a shred Joe Flacco thread.

 

I just heard on ESPN2 that since 2010, Michael Vick has the second most fumbles (36) in the NFL only behind Joe Flacco (37).

 

Is that true?

 

#Mili

If it is true I'll be shocked because I didn't know that...

[ellicottraven]

What bothered me most about Joe last year were his 22 interceptions. He was consistently throwing 10 or 12 interceptions per regular season before last year. Blame his line, lack of run game, and receivers if you want, but 22 is an awful lot. Hopefully he gets back to his 10-12 this year, or even has his first single digit interception season. With his fumbles and interceptions, Joe has to secure the ball better.

I agree that a lot goes unnoticed when he wins games. The fact remains that having more interceptions than TD doesn't an elite QB make, especially if he doesn't miss any games the entire season. That is what bothered me the most last year were his INTs at the most inopportune times.

Part of the blame was the line, part of it was the running game, but part of it was his decision making throwing into coverage and sometimes being very inaccurate with his throws too... however, this doesn't mean he is a bad QB, but definitely means he was off form all of last season. It can happen to any QB, but it hurts when it happens to our own QB.

The thing about Joe is he can be mind blowingly brilliant one game, and atrocious beyond belief the next. That is the kind of inconsistency he displays and that frustrates me even more because I know he can be the best on any given day. But, displayed very sporadically by him.

That is the truth about Flacco and I am going to say it regardless of the negative reaction I get when his quarterback skills are rightfully questioned!

[redrum52]

It's not a fumble per game is what I said. It actually averages out to just over 1/2 a fumble per game. Rodgers averages out to just under 1/2 a fumble per game at .495 over his career.

Brees averges much better - .39 per game over his career.

Brady - .469 over his career.

Thanks. This is kinda what I meant so we could gauge where Joe is. And I understood what you said, mg point was it's just not good to have a fumble each game. If a rb did that they would most likely be out of work permanently.

[redrum52]

I agree that a lot goes unnoticed when he wins games. The fact remains that having more interceptions than TD doesn't an elite QB make, especially if he doesn't miss any games the entire season. That is what bothered me the most last year were his INTs at the most inopportune times.

Part of the blame was the line, part of it was the running game, but part of it was his decision making throwing into coverage and sometimes being very inaccurate with his throws too... however, this doesn't mean he is a bad QB, but definitely means he was off form all of last season. It can happen to any QB, but it hurts when it happens to our own QB.

The thing about Joe is he can be mind blowingly brilliant one game, and atrocious beyond belief the next. That is the kind of inconsistency he displays and that frustrates me even more because I know he can be the best on any given day. But, displayed very sporadically by him.

That is the truth about Flacco and I am going to say it regardless of the negative reaction I get when his quarterback skills are rightfully questioned!

This about sums it up. The highs, he can honestly look like the best qb in the league. The lows.... they really have you questioning everything you love and thought to be true. I think thats why the debates get so heated cause both sides are right at times. It still doesn't make sense to me how someone can be so night and day with their ability.

[Militant X 1]

Yes, he's got 37 since 2010, if they played the same number of games Vick would be 'winning' in a landslide. Vick missed 22 games since 2010, which doesn't include when he was benchwarming.

 

Some other interesting/funny things

 

Since 2010:

Mark Sanchez has 33 (he didn't play all of 2013)

Roethlisberger has 30 (missed 8 games)

RG3 has 23 (since 2012, missed 4 games)

Philip Rivers has 34

 

Between 2000-2003, Daunte Culpepper had 66 fumbles (and he missed 7 games in that span)

Between 2006-2009, Kurt Warner had 44 fumbles (missed 13 games, benchwarmed for others)

 

Flacco's gotten better at ball security but needs to improve it, still.

 

If it is true I'll be shocked because I didn't know that...

 

Read the above post by Berad that you may have overlooked brah!  He answered the question.

 

#Mili

[Guest RBates]

Don't you read a thread before you jump in? If you had, you would realize how deceptive the stat is when comparing the actual number of games played.

 

 

We all knew it was coming lol

 

 

Not even one per game average and an area that I think he's really improved upon over the years.

I have no problem with how the stats look from a numbers perspective.  My problem is he is turning over the ball a lot lately.

 

Joe needs a lot of help that we may not be able to afford to get him.  I'm almost positive if we get him help along the offensive line and another possession receiver those numbers will go down.  

 

We can not have another bad offensive unit this year.  No matter what we as fans think.  I want to get back to winning football. He needs to secure the football for that to happen.  Ball security should be his focus all offseason.

[arnie_uk]

I have no problem with how the stats look from a numbers perspective. My problem is he is turning over the ball a lot lately.

Joe needs a lot of help that we may not be able to afford to get him. I'm almost positive if we get him help along the offensive line and another possession receiver those numbers will go down.

We can not have another bad offensive unit this year. No matter what we as fans think. I want to get back to winning football. He needs to secure the football for that to happen. Ball security should be his focus all offseason.

he doent fumble that much more than average. It bet though his fumbles that are actually resutling in turnovers are very high. We rarely seem to recover our own fumbles.

Callaghan can you compare joes fumbles to the league then said fumbles to league turnovers from fumbles.

They also seem to be at very inappropriate times.

[Tank 92]

he doent fumble that much more than average. It bet though his fumbles that are actually resutling in turnovers are very high. We rarely seem to recover our own fumbles.

Callaghan can you compare joes fumbles to the league then said fumbles to league turnovers from fumbles.

They also seem to be at very inappropriate times.

 

 

Flacco "fumbled" 8 times in 2013, lost 2.  Stafford had the most, 12, lost 4.  Peyton had 10 and lost 6 of them. Jen had 9 and lost 6. Wilson had 10, lost 5. etc..

 

It's no anomaly that QBs occupy the top 25 spots in fumbles and Joe's 25% "lost rate" is much better than most on that list. 

[arnie_uk]

Flacco "fumbled" 8 times in 2013, lost 2. Stafford had the most, 12, lost 4. Peyton had 10 and lost 6 of them. Jen had 9 and lost 6. Wilson had 10, lost 5. etc..

It's no anomaly that QBs occupy the top 25 spots in fumbles and Joe's 25% "lost rate" is much better than most on that list.

thats the figure I wanted. Guess I was wrong. He seems to lose a lot more than that

[Hardbaugh]

I'm not surprised at all .

 

He is annually among the leaders when it comes to fumbles.

 

 

[Tank 92]

I'm not surprised at all .

 

He is annually among the leaders when it comes to fumbles.

 

Wrong

 

Flacco "fumbled" 8 times in 2013, lost 2.  Stafford had the most, 12, lost 4.  Peyton had 10 and lost 6 of them. Jen had 9 and lost 6. Wilson had 10, lost 5. etc..

 

It's no anomaly that QBs occupy the top 25 spots in fumbles and Joe's 25% "lost rate" is much better than most on that list. 

 

 

In 2012 he fumbled 9 times lost 4. Rivers had 15, lost 7. Sanchez had 14, lost 8. Bob 3 had 12, lost 2. Vick had 11, lost 5. Luck had 10, lost 5, etc.

[Hardbaugh]

Flacco has 55 fumbles in 6 seasons, averaging 9.2 fumbles in regular season games.   It's the only personal stat where he shows amongst the leaders at his position.

 

Paint it however you like.

[Tank 92]

Flacco has 55 fumbles in 6 seasons, averaging 9.2 fumbles in regular season games.   It's the only personal stat where he shows amongst the leaders at his position.

 

Paint it however you like.

 

 

If you look a little deeper the top 20 players in fumbles average about 9.1 fumbles a year and they are all QBs. So his average is average. And Flacco has played more games than most in those 6 years.  What's your point?

[jaege]

Flacco has 55 fumbles in 6 seasons, averaging 9.2 fumbles in regular season games.   It's the only personal stat where he shows amongst the leaders at his position.

 

Paint it however you like.

 

 

Stats are meaningless unless you're a fantasy geek. Good or bad, they mean nothing. It is not a game of stats, it is a game of success and failure. Wins vs losses. Last I looked, the wins far outnumber the losses since Joe has been here. Love him or hate him, he is an integral part of the team. 

[Ravenslifer]

he doent fumble that much more than average. It bet though his fumbles that are actually resutling in turnovers are very high. We rarely seem to recover our own fumbles.

Callaghan can you compare joes fumbles to the league then said fumbles to league turnovers from fumbles.

They also seem to be at very inappropriate times.

 

Not really - in his career Joe has fumbled 55 times and lost 20 of them, or about 36 percent.  He actually tied his career low for fumbles and fumbles lost this season.  Just as a comparison Brady is at 84/36 for his career or 43 percent, and Peyton is 65/25 or 38 percent.  Considering those two have played their careers in short passing offenses while Joe has been in a vertical offense, I'd say Joe has done very well.  In fact, Joe has a big-time outlier season where he lost over 50 percent of his fumbles, otherwise the numbers would look even better.

[arnie_uk]

Not really - in his career Joe has fumbled 55 times and lost 20 of them, or about 36 percent. He actually tied his career low for fumbles and fumbles lost this season. Just as a comparison Brady is at 84/36 for his career or 43 percent, and Peyton is 65/25 or 38 percent. Considering those two have played their careers in short passing offenses while Joe has been in a vertical offense, I'd say Joe has done very well. In fact, Joe has a big-time outlier season where he lost over 50 percent of his fumbles, otherwise the numbers would look even better.

yea someone already pointed that out. Im shocked at that

[Ravenslifer]

Flacco has 55 fumbles in 6 seasons, averaging 9.2 fumbles in regular season games.   It's the only personal stat where he shows amongst the leaders at his position.

 

Paint it however you like.

 

Uh no - averages 9 fumbles per season - why don't you tell me how many snaps the other QBs played compared to Flacco?  Flacco has played every single game the past 6 years - Manning hasn't, Brady hasn't, Rodgers hasn't, Stafford hasn't, Vick hasn't, Ryan hasn't, Brees hasn't.

[Wisdom]

I'm not surprised at all.......  

 

Going forward, Flacco needs to be more cognizant in /of protecting the football.  Hopefully, he is up to the task.

[Guest RBates]

Why are people even bringing up Sanchez in a discussion about Flacco's fumbles.  I don't want to hear about Qb's that don't play anymore or don't start.

 

We all know that Sanchez was never starting material. 

 

Flacco has to get better with his ball security.  That about sums it up.  He leads the league in fumbles from 2008-2012.  But he has played in more games than any other Qb except Phillip Rivers and they are tied at 80 during that span.

 

Flacco lost 18

Rivers lost  23 

[flynismo]

Why are people even bringing up Sanchez in a discussion about Flacco's fumbles.  I don't want to hear about Qb's that don't play anymore or don't start.

 

We all know that Sanchez was never starting material. 

 

Flacco has to get better with his ball security.  That about sums it up.  He leads the league in fumbles from 2008-2012.  But he has played in more games than any other Qb except Phillip Rivers and they are tied at 80 during that span.

 

Flacco lost 18

Rivers lost  23 

 

I think it was brought up because Sanchez has nearly as many, despite not playing an entire season, and people are trying to emphasize that there are certain variables that come into play when looking at this stat.

 

Regardless, I am not happy with Flacco's ball security. In fact, it is down right scary to me. It needs to improve, a lot.

[berad]

Why are people even bringing up Sanchez in a discussion about Flacco's fumbles.  I don't want to hear about Qb's that don't play anymore or don't start.

 

We all know that Sanchez was never starting material. 

 

Flacco has to get better with his ball security.  That about sums it up.  He leads the league in fumbles from 2008-2012.  But he has played in more games than any other Qb except Phillip Rivers and they are tied at 80 during that span.

 

Flacco lost 18

Rivers lost  23 

 

"We" may have but I sure heard his name a lot, from others, in comparison to Joe Flacco... before Flacco won a SB MVP and Mark Sanchez started warming the bench with greasy hair.

[K-Dog]

I know if I was running for my life as much as he was I would have ball security issues too.

[redrum52]

I know if I was running for my life as much as he was I would have ball security issues too.

This isn't some new problem. This was before the o line hit a historic low last year that these problems were occurring. He needs to more protective of the football.

[K-Dog]

This isn't some new problem. This was before the o line hit a historic low last year that these problems were occurring. He needs to more protective of the football.

*shrugs*

I simply said if I was running for my life as much as he was I would have ball security issues too.

 

Have you seen the size of some of those guys running after him?  I would have bowel security issues as well !!

[redrum52]

*shrugs*

I simply said if I was running for my life as much as he was I would have ball security issues too.

Have you seen the size of some of those guys running after him? I would have bowel security issues as well !!

Sorry if that came off aggressive, but I get it. The crazy thing is, I think last year was one his best years as far as fumbles, especially considering all the pressure he faced.

[Guest RBates]

I think it was brought up because Sanchez has nearly as many, despite not playing an entire season, and people are trying to emphasize that there are certain variables that come into play when looking at this stat.

 

Regardless, I am not happy with Flacco's ball security. In fact, it is down right scary to me. It needs to improve, a lot.

Yeah i agree fly.  He will be okay though.  Fix the O-line and the run game and what you see is what you get. 

[Guest RBates]

"We" may have but I sure heard his name a lot, from others, in comparison to Joe Flacco... before Flacco won a SB MVP and Mark Sanchez started warming the bench with greasy hair.

Wow are you kidding me?  Someone said that Sanchez was in the discussion with Flacco?  

 

Fumbles or not, give me Joe.

 

Sanchez's game is poor even if he never fumbled in a game.