Is it True? Joe Flacco has the most fumbles in the NFL?

[redrum52]

That's a lie. Aaron Rodgers's offensive lines are very underrated. He's consistently one of the least pressured quarterbacks in the league. Plus, they run a west coast offense that gets the ball out very quickly

You sure about that?

Also, cap and actual salary are 2 different things. You all know that.

[Ravenseconbeast]

http://www.businessinsider.com/jay-cutler-bears-nfl-salary-cap-2014-1

 

lol   Not even in the top 20.

 

corrected and i definitely apologize about this one.  

 

sorry flacco fans!

[Tank 92]

You would be hard pressed to find an O line worse than the Ravens fielded last year. Even Yanda had an off year and I just can't think of a bright point to offer other than the Monroe signing. One of the worst run games in the history of the NFL and a huge # of sacks bear witness to just how bad they were. Pretty amazing Joe's stats and health were not worse than they were.

[52520Andrew]

I could care less what the guy actually makes(that is for Bisciotti to worry about), the cap hit is what is important for the team and currently Flacco's cap number is 14.8 mil which is fine for him.

[BmoreBird22]

Nope I can my story with a fact.   You want it?

Go ahead

[BmoreBird22]

You sure about that?

Also, cap and actual salary are 2 different things. You all know that.

I remember in 2012 he was like the sixth least pressured quarterback and I remember that since people used to try to use Rodgers line as an argument against Andrew Luck, the most pressured quarterback in the NFL

[ratedr]

corrected and i definitely apologize about this one.

sorry flacco fans!

Has nothing to do with being a Flacco fan, when someone tells a blatant lie it's going to be called out.

And by the way, this is a Ravens forum in case you haven't noticed. Being a "Flacco fan" isn't exactly a surprise or an insult.

[redrum52]

Thats one season. If I remember correctly, he was also one of the most sacked qbs in the league for a few years. Could be wrong though.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Go ahead

http://jerseyal.com/GBP/2013/05/20/whos-to-blame-for-aaron-rodgers-record-high-sacks/

[BmoreBird22]

http://jerseyal.com/GBP/2013/05/20/whos-to-blame-for-aaron-rodgers-record-high-sacks/

Still the sixth or seventh least pressured quarterback in the NFL. 35th ranked quarterback in terms of time holding onto the ball. You realize that time holding onto the ball and sacks are proportional, right? Mannijg had the quickest release and was the least sacked. Rodgers held onto it longer than average by far and got sacked a lot more. His offensive lines are vastly underrated

[redrum52]

http://jerseyal.com/GBP/2013/05/20/whos-to-blame-for-aaron-rodgers-record-high-sacks/

Guess I'm not wrong.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Still the sixth or seventh least pressured quarterback in the NFL. 35th ranked quarterback in terms of time holding onto the ball. You realize that time holding onto the ball and sacks are proportional, right? Mannijg had the quickest release and was the least sacked. Rodgers held onto it longer than average by far and got sacked a lot more. His offensive lines are vastly underrated

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/

[52520Andrew]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/

 

So essentially Flacco is pressured more than Rodgers on fewer drop backs. Look at the pressure percentage and notice that Rodgers has a percentage of 25.9% ranking as the 7th best percentage while Flacco has a percentage of 31.4% ranking as the 14th worst or 20th best since there are 34 qbs. So essentially, Rodgers has the 7th best pass protecting O-line in terms of pressures per drop back while Flacco has a slightly below average O-line in terms of pressures per drop back at 20th best or 14th worst out of 34 qbs who apparently had enough drop backs to qualify for the stats. Basically, Rodgers has a better pass protecting O-line than Flacco since Flacco is pressured more on fewer drop backs.

[callahan09]

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap1000000147197

I know it says "Updated March 4, 2014", but if it was, I'm not sure what was updated, because all of these numbers are blatantly still from the March 7, 2013 original publication date, a year outdated now.

 

Rodgers has an average annual salary of $22m and Ryan has $20.75m now, both higher than Flacco's $20.1.  You also have to consider that those figures are average over the life of the contract, assuming the entire contract is earned.  It isn't talking about THIS YEAR, when your original comment said he is the highest paid NFL player THIS YEAR (he is not).  That article doesn't consider anything about cap hits or guaranteed money... Flacco's contract is downright CHEAP when you look at the guaranteed money.  He is only guaranteed $4.833m per year, which ranks just 18th of current QB contracts.

 

His cap hit this year is $14.8m, 12th among QBs, and not even tops on the Ravens.

[JoeyFlex5]

joe flacco used to be stiff as a board with no awareness of a blindside rush. zone blitzing DB's and elite pass rushers lined up on the left tackle used to be licking their chops looking for the strip sack. he has gotten WAYYYYY better at ball security and awareness though, and i think when it comes to moving around in the pocket and avoiding the sack, he has no become one of the better qb's in the league at doing it.

[playlikeawhat]

That's why I was never dumb enough to fall for the slanted perception presented by so-called "professional" sports analysts.  This is why NFL coverage becomes more of a joke every day.

[BmoreBird22]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/22/sig-stats-snapshot-passing-under-pressure/

Andrew put it as well as I could, but like I said, seventh least pressured quarterback in the NFL

[Militant X 1]

Yes, he's got 37 since 2010, if they played the same number of games Vick would be 'winning' in a landslide. Vick missed 22 games since 2010, which doesn't include when he was benchwarming.

 

Some other interesting/funny things

 

Since 2010:

Mark Sanchez has 33 (he didn't play all of 2013)

Roethlisberger has 30 (missed 8 games)

RG3 has 23 (since 2012, missed 4 games)

Philip Rivers has 34

 

Between 2000-2003, Daunte Culpepper had 66 fumbles (and he missed 7 games in that span)

Between 2006-2009, Kurt Warner had 44 fumbles (missed 13 games, benchwarmed for others)

 

Flacco's gotten better at ball security but needs to improve it, still.

 

Thanks B!  That makes a lot of sense.

 

#Mili

[The Mom Gene]

....  and Flacco has NO missed games...  That being said... Yes, when you consider the amount of time this guys spends running for his life, getting pummeled up the middle, and trying to get plays to develop and find open receivers in 2.7 seconds.... Sheesh...

 

We need to stop trying to "find" things wrong with our QB...  stop with the crazy stats.  We all need to understand WHY things are the way that they are.

[The Mom Gene]

Yes, he's got 37 since 2010, if they played the same number of games Vick would be 'winning' in a landslide. Vick missed 22 games since 2010, which doesn't include when he was benchwarming.

 

Some other interesting/funny things

 

Since 2010:

Mark Sanchez has 33 (he didn't play all of 2013)

Roethlisberger has 30 (missed 8 games)

RG3 has 23 (since 2012, missed 4 games)

Philip Rivers has 34

 

Between 2000-2003, Daunte Culpepper had 66 fumbles (and he missed 7 games in that span)

Between 2006-2009, Kurt Warner had 44 fumbles (missed 13 games, benchwarmed for others)

 

Flacco's gotten better at ball security but needs to improve it, still.

Thanks Berad.

[The Mom Gene]

Pretty sure it would be difficult to hold onto your marbles let a lone a football when a 6 foot 6, 350lb lineman is landing on your chest.

And Amen to that O_o

[Guest RBates]

Couple that with his interceptions and WOW.... just Wow...... i hope you are wrong.  

[Tank 92]

ha.....it was just a matter of time ^

[thrash5]

He will be alrite

[hawkprey]

See this is one of those cases where other variables have a lot to do with the stats, but they're hard to account for so we just wont.

 

Here's yahoo sport's stats on regular season fumbling.

 

Joe had:

9 fumbles in 2010 (tied 5-9th in league).

11 fumbles in 2011 (tied 4-5th in league).

8 fumbles in 2012 (tied 10-14th in league).

8 fumbles in 2013 (tied 9-10th in league).

 

That's actually 36 instead of 37 but whatever. 36 in 64 games is .56 fumbles/game which is about average, maybe slightly higher. 

 

Since we do the most deep routes in the league, meaning Joe has to hold onto the ball longer, I don't think that's bad at all.

 

In essence, we've learned nothing.

[ravensdfan]

Couple that with his interceptions and WOW.... just Wow...... i hope you are wrong.  

 

Don't you read a thread before you jump in? If you had, you would realize how deceptive the stat is when comparing the actual number of games played.

 

ha.....it was just a matter of time ^

 

We all knew it was coming lol

 

See this is one of those cases where other variables have a lot to do with the stats, but they're hard to account for so we just wont.

 

Here's yahoo sport's stats on regular season fumbling.

 

Joe had:

9 fumbles in 2010 (tied 5-9th in league).

11 fumbles in 2011 (tied 4-5th in league).

8 fumbles in 2012 (tied 10-14th in league).

8 fumbles in 2013 (tied 9-10th in league).

 

That's actually 36 instead of 37 but whatever. 36 in 64 games is .56 fumbles/game which is about average, maybe slightly higher. 

 

Since we do the most deep routes in the league, meaning Joe has to hold onto the ball longer, I don't think that's bad at all.

 

In essence, we've learned nothing.

 

Not even one per game average and an area that I think he's really improved upon over the years.

[redrum52]

Don't you read a thread before you jump in? If you had, you would realize how deceptive the stat is when comparing the actual number of games played.

We all knew it was coming lol

Not even one per game average and an area that I think he's really improved upon over the years.

You shouldn't be averaging fumble per game regardless so thats not a good point.

Also the averages aren't put there so there is nothing to compare it to except for the turnover machines mentioned. I don't see Brees Rodgers or Brady among that group.

I do agree though that he's gotten alot better. He seemed to lack even basic pocket awareness earlier in his career.

[Moderator 3]

You shouldn't be averaging fumble per game regardless so thats not a good point.

Also the averages aren't put there so there is nothing to compare it to except for the turnover machines mentioned. I don't see Brees Rodgers or Brady among that group.

I do agree though that he's gotten alot better. He seemed to lack even basic pocket awareness earlier in his career.

Why wouldn't we use average per game? What better way to compare when everyone has a different number of games played?

[redrum52]

Why wouldn't we use average per game? What better way to compare when everyone has a different number of games played?

I meant a league wide average. Averages should be used. I never said they shouldn't be used, I said we dont have one to compare.

I meant to say you shouldn't be averaging A fumble per game. That might've been the miscommunication.

[ravensdfan]

I meant a league wide average. Averages should be used. I never said they shouldn't be used, I said we dont have one to compare.

I meant to say you shouldn't be averaging A fumble per game. That might've been the miscommunication.

 

It's not a fumble per game is what I said. It actually averages out to just over 1/2 a fumble per game. Rodgers averages out to just under 1/2 a fumble per game at .495 over his career.

 

Brees averges much better - .39 per game over his career.

 

Brady - .469 over his career.