Free Agents To Consider: Defense

[Tank 92]

because we didn't have a fs, not because webb sucked

 

 

Not sure what you were watching, but opposing teams targeted Webb all year long.  He pretty much sucked.

 

 

[Bravens292]

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Peanut off the market.

[BallHawker]

Any reasonable NTs, 3-4 DEs we could sign? I don't trust Ngata's health, and with Art gone, our abysmal run defense may even get worse. The only guy I see that we have currently with huge upside is Brandon Williams, and maybe KLM. We have literally no one else besides Canty.

[RavensNation14]

Any reasonable NTs, 3-4 DEs we could sign? I don't trust Ngata's health, and with Art gone, our abysmal run defense may even get worse. The only guy I see that we have currently with huge upside is Brandon Williams, and maybe KLM. We have literally no one else besides Canty.

Pat Sims who played for the Raiders is a pretty good DT. Kevin Williams used to play for the Vikings hasn't had anyone contact him and I think we could give him a cheap one year deal. He was a 6 time pro bowler. 

[allblackraven]

Any reasonable NTs, 3-4 DEs we could sign? I don't trust Ngata's health, and with Art gone, our abysmal run defense may even get worse. The only guy I see that we have currently with huge upside is Brandon Williams, and maybe KLM. We have literally no one else besides Canty.

After this deal with S. Smith, I think we keep big Cody, trade out of the 1st, select Hageman in 2nd and Pagan (Ala) late. We'll have more picks in middle rounds for double-dipping at WRs (assuming we get one with our other 2nd round pick).

 

Courtney Upshaw is not bad DE.

[BmoreBird22]

Pat Sims who played for the Raiders is a pretty good DT. Kevin Williams used to play for the Vikings hasn't had anyone contact him and I think we could give him a cheap one year deal. He was a 6 time pro bowler.

He's a pretty massive human being. He could play nose tackle and plug some holes

[BmoreBird22]

After this deal with S. Smith, I think we keep big Cody, trade out of the 1st, select Hageman in 2nd and Pagan (Ala) late. We'll have more picks in middle rounds for double-dipping at WRs (assuming we get one with our other 2nd round pick).

 

Courtney Upshaw is not bad DE.

Courtney is An OLB, but I doubt they'd trade all the way out of the first, that would be hard to pull off and a huge pass on lots talent. Louis Nix should still be there and there are still good guys later in the draft, like a Stephen Tuitt

[allblackraven]

Courtney is An OLB, but I doubt they'd trade all the way out of the first, that would be hard to pull off and a huge pass on lots talent. Louis Nix should still be there and there are still good guys later in the draft, like a Stephen Tuitt

Yeah I know, I just think Upshaw can be used on the edge OK and Hamilton/Simon get more OLB snaps.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Any reasonable NTs, 3-4 DEs we could sign? I don't trust Ngata's health, and with Art gone, our abysmal run defense may even get worse. The only guy I see that we have currently with huge upside is Brandon Williams, and maybe KLM. We have literally no one else besides Canty.

 

DE/NT could be an under the radar early draft pick.

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah I know, I just think Upshaw can be used on the edge OK and Hamilton/Simon get more OLB snaps.

I still prefer him at OLB. He's been really solid there. There are good lineman in this draft that can be had in round one or two

[ravensdan]

Clemons is clearly the best remaining option out there, but it doesn't sounds like we're interested. He doesn't fit that rangy playmaker that Ozzie described at season's end. I'd be more than alright with a solid coverage guy that doesn't make mistakes, but judging by Ozzie's comment and the lack of interest in really all FS's that were on the market, I'd venture a guess that HHCD, Pryor, or Ward will be manning the spot next to Elam come August.

Kendrick Lewis a possibility. ?

[rmw10]

Kendrick Lewis a possibility. ?

 

I'd like to think so, but his market is dead quiet.

[arnie_uk]

Not sure what you were watching, but opposing teams targeted Webb all year long. He pretty much sucked.

still not the reason there was talk of moving webb to safety, but carry on

[Tank 92]

still not the reason there was talk of moving webb to safety, but carry on

 

 

right. 

[arnie_uk]

right.

there's been talk of moving webb to safety for years. And that increased after his first knee injury, increased furher after his second tear and increased again when reed left.

It had nothing to do with his play on the field no matter how bad he was

[Tank 92]

there's been talk of moving webb to safety for years. And that increased after his first knee injury, increased furher after his second tear and increased again when reed left.  And increased further when he was sucking at CB.

It had nothing to do with his play on the field no matter how bad he was

[MB52]

The Ravens will need a good ,young, playmaking free safety and I think Kendrick Lewis, Quinton Demps, and/or Thomas Decoud are extremely viable options for them. For Defensive ends Shaun Phillips, Robert Ayers, or Andre Carter are very viable options as well.

[MB52]

Maybe we can draft Ha Ha Clinton Dix for Courtney Upshaw to play on the same team with, some analysts say

[arnie_uk]

there's been talk of moving webb to safety for years. And that increased after his first knee injury, increased furher after his second tear and increased again when reed left. And increased further when he was sucking at CB.

It had nothing to do with his play on the field no matter how bad he was

point me in the direction of anyone saying move webn to safety because hes sucked.

[Ravenslifer]

point me in the direction of anyone saying move webn to safety because hes sucked.

 

People were talking about it very early on in 2010 - when he returned from his first ACL injury I'm sure you remember how rusty he looked.  People who don't understand ACLs and didn't understand it takes months, almost close to a year, to really regain your strength and stability after an injury like that, were saying he had lost his wheels and needed to be moved to free safety.  However it seems like the post you quoted was talking about a much more recent time, and I don't recall anyone saying anything like that because Webb sucked - people talked about it after Reed left and after Huff was cut, but more because I think people have a need to replace a fantastic position player with a player at the exact same position e.g. we lost a HOF FS, so we need a fantastic FS to replace him, not "we now have 2 great CBs that will  make any FS better by their presence".

[arnie_uk]

People were talking about it very early on in 2010 - when he returned from his first ACL injury I'm sure you remember how rusty he looked. People who don't understand ACLs and didn't understand it takes months, almost close to a year, to really regain your strength and stability after an injury like that, were saying he had lost his wheels and needed to be moved to free safety. However it seems like the post you quoted was talking about a much more recent time, and I don't recall anyone saying anything like that because Webb sucked - people talked about it after Reed left and after Huff was cut, but more because I think people have a need to replace a fantastic position player with a player at the exact same position e.g. we lost a HOF FS, so we need a fantastic FS to replace him, not "we now have 2 great CBs that will make any FS better by their presence".

you sir are correct. No one ever said webb sucks let's move him to safety.

It was webb has bad knees, safety might be easier on him or ihedigbo and elam don't work, we need a coverage guy there, webb, having played safety in college and the fact he can tackle would be best fit.

Never have I heard webb sucks at cb now, let's move him

[Tank 92]

People were talking about it very early on in 2010 - when he returned from his first ACL injury I'm sure you remember how rusty he looked.  People who don't understand ACLs and didn't understand it takes months, almost close to a year, to really regain your strength and stability after an injury like that, were saying he had lost his wheels and needed to be moved to free safety.  However it seems like the post you quoted was talking about a much more recent time, and I don't recall anyone saying anything like that because Webb sucked - people talked about it after Reed left and after Huff was cut, but more because I think people have a need to replace a fantastic position player with a player at the exact same position e.g. we lost a HOF FS, so we need a fantastic FS to replace him, not "we now have 2 great CBs that will  make any FS better by their presence".

 

 

I couldn't give you exact quotes from any one person, but the idea was renewed last year when it became apparent that Webb's play was sub par(sucked) after returning from his second injury.

 

As you say, this thought was first floated when he appeared "rusty" after returning in 2010  but he seemed to return to form rather quickly and again showed the promise of being an anchor CB, which ultimately became the case in 2011. Last year returning from the 2012 season ending injury he never really did return to form and was consistently targeted by opposing teams.

 

You could say the thought of the move was brought up because he was slowed by his injuries and there seemed to be a need for a replacement FS, but for me that is just a nice way of saying that his play at CB sucked(which it did). The thought of moving him to FS would have never been brought up if he was playing CB at the high level that is expected of him. The hope is that he returns to form in 2014 and that he is able to remain healthy for years to come.     

[PolishRifle]

Maybe we can draft Ha Ha Clinton Dix for Courtney Upshaw to play on the same team with, some analysts say

 

I really hope we don't. I don't want a rookie FS to play next to a first year starter at SS. Chris Clemons brings in experience and we already know he's a solid player.

 

The first 3 rounds of this years draft should be all about offense. Making the OL better and getting more depth in our WR corps (Torrey will be a FA next season and who knows how long Steve Smith can play for us).

[ihoxhaj3]

If Vince Wilfork is released, I would love to go after him on a cheap 2-year deal. The D-line would be explosive pairing him with ngata.

[IceDevilHH81]

If Vince Wilfork is released, I would love to go after him on a cheap 2-year deal. The D-line would be explosive pairing him with ngata.

 

We don`t need to spend Cap on DL! I have high expectations for B. Williams and K. Lewis-Moore! The last thing we need to do is get even older!

[ihoxhaj3]

I understand what you're saying but we haven't seen enough of either to know what we actually have. We don't even know how KLM is progressing in his rehab, if he even looks explosive. A cheap stop-gap like wilfork that has something to prove would be a great addition on the D-line and someone that those two can learn from, especially Brandon.

[BSHU_Miami]

Just a suggestion here. How about for a FS, Ryan Clark (hold up shield).

He has said he wouldn't mind playing for the ravens before. Obviously used as a stopgap/mentor for our safety we get in the draft and Elam.

[IceDevilHH81]

I understand what you're saying but we haven't seen enough of either to know what we actually have. We don't even know how KLM is progressing in his rehab, if he even looks explosive. A cheap stop-gap like wilfork that has something to prove would be a great addition on the D-line and someone that those two can learn from, especially Brandon.

I don`t think Wilfork would be cheap!

[PolishRifle]

I understand what you're saying but we haven't seen enough of either to know what we actually have. We don't even know how KLM is progressing in his rehab, if he even looks explosive. A cheap stop-gap like wilfork that has something to prove would be a great addition on the D-line and someone that those two can learn from, especially Brandon.

 

3/14: "Letroy Guion considering Ravens, Patriots, Packers. Has visited Pats. Will visit Pack Sunday unless has deal w/another team." - Chris Tomasson, St. Paul Pioneer Press

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letroy_Guion

[ihoxhaj3]

Never heard of Letroy Guion. But I would rather have 32 year old Wilfork over 14 games in 3 years Guion.