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There are better Left Tackle Options

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I say after Friday we should forget about Monre if we don't sign him by then.

 

Another strong second option (or should I say 1B option) should be Jared Veldheer from the Raiders. He's bigger and stronger and closely resembles J.Ogden.

 

We need size especially the fact that our o-line was being overpowered. I also credit that to not having a healthy K.O. at Guard.

 

I would go with the bigger and stronger Tackle at this point and I heard rumors that Veldheer can hanlde 2 D-lineman at once. That guy is a hulk and could come at a cheaper price, which is a bonus considering the money that the Ravens need to save up to fill other needs. Size does matter!

 

Thoughts?

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Regardless of anyone's opinion of bringing him in, he is further proof that quality players can be found outside of the top 10 in the draft.

 

Just say no to a $10M+ Monroe

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I am debating whether we take a chance on a rookie at the blind side or go out and get someone like Veldheer.  If he is so good, then why would the Raiders not resign him?

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there are other options.  But Monroe is clearly the best LT on the market, and I think he knows that.  

 

Regardless of anyone's opinion of bringing him in, he is further proof that quality players can be found outside of the top 10 in the draft.

 

Just say no to a $10M+ Monroe

At LT it's rare.  Like... really really rare.

 

As in since 2008 there have been two quality LTs (to my knowledge, and I checked a little while ago) drafted outside the first round.  Veldheer and Baas from the giants.  LT and QB are the two positions that are just freakishly highly drafted

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Isn't he coming off a pretty big injury?

 

Yes he is but he's still very young and can recover quickly. Actually he has been recovering and should be ready for training camp.

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Would Valdheer even fit with the new scheme?  I don't pay much attention to Oline play outside of Baltimore but it seems in Monroe you have a very similar OL that Kubiak was always looking for in Houston.

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Except he's going to be just as expensive, if not more. Go with the guy that we know in Monroe. He's proven he can play in our system.

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We have to have Monroe. Now, there is a limit on that previous statement of course, but with us needing a right tackle and center, we do not need to go get a "new" left tackle as well. Bringing Monroe, Osemele, and Yanda back for Kubiak's offense is a very strong start to building a dominate offensive line again.

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I was scanning Raider forums and there is a thought there that because they're still in rebuilding mode, they don't need to pay a premium for Veldheer now, regardless of their cap space. They could draft a tackle, which would be a lot cheaper or they'll invest top dollar for someone they view as better than Veldheer later once they establish their QB. 

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I was scanning Raider forums and there is a thought there that because they're still in rebuilding mode, they don't need to pay a premium for Veldheer now, regardless of their cap space. They could draft a tackle, which would be a lot cheaper or they'll invest top dollar for someone they view as better than Veldheer later once they establish their QB. 

 

Not that it means everything, but so far the Raiders have met with every projected first round quarterback plus Mettenberger and Thomas, and no offensive linemen.  We'll see how this week plays out, but I personally would be very surprised if they let Veldheer hit the open market.  I think they're looking to take a QB in the first round, and want their left tackle in place.  The reality of the situation is we can't make a play for Veldheer until next week at the earliest, and if the Raiders want him, they're going to keep him.

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The fact of the matter is that Ozzie knew when he sent a 4th and 5th rounder (which he rarely does) that he would need to pay up when the time comes for the new acquisition. If Ozzie doesn't resign Monroe and we lose him than the trade would have been a a complete bust...and I don't think Oz wants that on his resume. He will do everything possible with every penny of cap space that he possibly can to resign Monroe to a contract he deems fair to both sides. If Monroe really wants 10 mill per year Miami may be the only place for him.

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Would Valdheer even fit with the new scheme? I don't pay much attention to Oline play outside of Baltimore but it seems in Monroe you have a very similar OL that Kubiak was always looking for in Houston.

I'm not sure we really even know what that scheme is....I think they are just now handing out playbooks.

If it's anything like the one in Houston, he's not a great fit, but he should be fine

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I think the general consensus is that Monroe is the best LT available. I hope we get his deal done. 

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I'm not sure we really even know what that scheme is....I think they are just now handing out playbooks.

If it's anything like the one in Houston, he's not a great fit, but he should be fine

Thats more what I meant, assuming Kubiak uses the exact same scheme.  I don't think Valdheer fits that very well.

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The fact of the matter is that Ozzie knew when he sent a 4th and 5th rounder (which he rarely does) that he would need to pay up when the time comes for the new acquisition. If Ozzie doesn't resign Monroe and we lose him than the trade would have been a a complete bust...and I don't think Oz wants that on his resume. He will do everything possible with every penny of cap space that he possibly can to resign Monroe to a contract he deems fair to both sides. If Monroe really wants 10 mill per year Miami may be the only place for him.

I don't know why everyone keeps complaining about losing the picks we gave for Monroe. I'm pretty sure if we lose him we get similar comp picks next year and it would be a wash.

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The fact of the matter is that Ozzie knew when he sent a 4th and 5th rounder (which he rarely does) that he would need to pay up when the time comes for the new acquisition. If Ozzie doesn't resign Monroe and we lose him than the trade would have been a a complete bust...and I don't think Oz wants that on his resume. He will do everything possible with every penny of cap space that he possibly can to resign Monroe to a contract he deems fair to both sides. If Monroe really wants 10 mill per year Miami may be the only place for him.

 

If he leaves via free agency I imagine we would pick up a 3rd round comp pick. Either way I'm sure Ozzie treats the trade as a sunk cost and it plays no factor in deciding how much they think Monroe is worth, if he wants more than the Ravens value him at, he is going to leave. 

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I don't know why everyone keeps complaining about losing the picks we gave for Monroe. I'm pretty sure if we lose him we get similar comp picks next year and it would be a wash.

If we lose him, it would probably be because he signed elsewhere for 9-11 million (and we shouldn't pay 11 mil).  If that's the case, we'd probably get a 3rd or maybe a 4th round pick.  We can always use another 3rd round pick in 2015, but I wouldn't quite say it's a wash.  A young, known, solid left tackle is worth more than a mid rounder.  They aren't quite a dime a dozen.

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If he leaves via free agency I imagine we would pick up a 3rd round comp pick. Either way I'm sure Ozzie treats the trade as a sunk cost and it plays no factor in deciding how much they think Monroe is worth, if he wants more than the Ravens value him at, he is going to leave. 

it depends on how much you spend in free agency on urfa as well.

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I really believe if we don't sign Monroe we will be a sub 500 team next year. 

 

Why in the world would we want to rebuild the offense with a 120 million dollar Qb is beyond me?

 

Keep what we have and Give Joe the pieces he needs to progress. 

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Veldheer should be more expensive, but the analists aren't plugging him as much as they are giddy over Monroe.

 

Supposing we had to pay Veldheer more, it will be well worth it. He's getting very good.

 

The issues was the torn triceps last year. He came back and started the last four of five games without allowing a sack.

 

His run blocking is awesome.

 

Pay the Man, lure him away, make him a Raven, make Flacco's day.

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If he leaves via free agency I imagine we would pick up a 3rd round comp pick. Either way I'm sure Ozzie treats the trade as a sunk cost and it plays no factor in deciding how much they think Monroe is worth, if he wants more than the Ravens value him at, he is going to leave. 

 

Exactly - right player, right price. 

 

Our cost will end up being offset by a likely 3rd round comp pick which one would argue is equivalent to the 4th rounder we gave up this year.  Some are even speculating that he will end up with the largest FA contract this offseason.

 

Basically we gave up a 2014 5th rounder for half a season of Monroe + a good shot a re-signing him.  If he chooses to leave for money over slightly less money and a shot a championship every year in his prime we can't change that. 

 

We can always go with one of the lesser name free agent tackles and re-sign Oher to solidify the right side.  I can't see him getting too many big offers out in the market.  This would also leave Ozzie with many more millions in cap space to load up the roster.  Almost $25 million is a lot more than we have had for many years.  Couple that with a strong draft and development of our 2013 draft class and we're right back in the hunt for that Lombardi.

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I think Monroe just being associated being a Ravens raised his value significantly high.

 

I can't see him being the "#1 FA" if he was still with the jags.   

 

Would Ellerbe/Kruger ever got what they gained if they weren't w/ us with the same production somewhere else?  I think not.

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I think Ravens will get Monroe but personally I think center is in question.  I think center needs to be bigger.

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If we lose him, it would probably be because he signed elsewhere for 9-11 million (and we shouldn't pay 11 mil).  If that's the case, we'd probably get a 3rd or maybe a 4th round pick.  We can always use another 3rd round pick in 2015, but I wouldn't quite say it's a wash.  A young, known, solid left tackle is worth more than a mid rounder.  They aren't quite a dime a dozen.

 

 

The point was made concerning the picks we traded to get him, not Monroe himself.

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so what are these better options?

read my post again! We only be talking about him for so long...Jared Veldheer!

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