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Confidence in our pass rush?

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With Sizzle's last season's 2nd half disappearance, Doom in his prime but his lack of height and holding the edge in run def not his strength. Upshaw's better vs the run than his pass rush skills...what we have in Simon, Adrian Hamilton, and Lewis-Moore is an unknown. Should the Ravens consider adding another OLB via the draft or FA? We have a dominant, reliable consistent QB harasser or just other holes to fill with so few draft picks and lack of salary cap space?

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I would rather have a guy to replace Jones pass rushing ability from the nickel at 34 DE. THat is what I think we will miss. I am hoping Simon emerges as a pass rushing OLB he is a guy the fans will love.

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I just saw that the Dolphins Dion Jordan is on the trading block. I wonder if Ozzie would be interested in giving up this years second round pick for him? Don't vote this red because I'm not saying it will happen or that I even agree that it should happen, it's just a thought that popped into my head seeing how he has tremendous athletic upside. 

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I don't think so unless there is real value there aka Barr or Mack falls. Suggs will be good and Doom should still produce. Upshaw is our run guy but he has not been tested and neither has Simon or Hamilton. McPhee is also a good pass rusher so I am not really concerned about it coming off the edge. Maybe we get a D-lineman who can rush the passer or a ILB but OLB is too deep for me unless the value is that good.

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I think we just need to be more aggressive an blitz more, with Arthur Brown up the middle, then Suggs/Doom could really get it going!

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I think we just need to be more aggressive an blitz more, with Arthur Brown up the middle, then Suggs/Doom could really get it going!

 

 

One thing I love about the Ravens in watching them play on Defense.

 

I would like the play calling to be more aggressive. I feel that we set the edge good on passing plays but we lack penetration up the middle. I saw so many plays where Suggs/Doom had a sack only for the QB to just move forward and was able to complete a pass or throw the ball away.

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How can you not love having Suggs & Doom rushing the passer? The issue I see is that we don't have anybody to create some inside pass rush. You can't just rely on your OLB's to rush from the outside, you need 1-2 guys to create pass rush from the inside and we don't have that (with Art likely being gone now). Art would be that guy next season to constantly create havoc inside and get after the QB, make plays in the backfield. Who's gonna do that now? I don't see that guy on our roster. Maybe we'll bring in a rookie to do that, I see some really interesting pass rushing DE/DT tweener out there in the draft. We can't just rely on the linebackers to get after the QB.

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If Stephon Tuitt somehow falls to us in the secound round that would be the best case scenario because he is going to be a stud and he will start year one and cover for Arthur Jones

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I think we just need to be more aggressive an blitz more, with Arthur Brown up the middle, then Suggs/Doom could really get it going!

But, that's how we get killed in the middle of the field....which has been a weakness for years of Ravens defenses. When blitzes don't reach home, we're torched in the short-intermediate middle.

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But, that's how we get killed in the middle of the field....which has been a weakness for years of Ravens defenses. When blitzes don't reach home, we're torched in the short-intermediate middle.

That's most teams.

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Our pass rush was great last season. We really got after some teams in a big way. The main problem was consistent 3 and outs from the offense every game. Defense would start out hot but then get tired because they were on the field WAY too much. 

 

Under Kubiak, this will change. I've seen the Texans just dominate time of possession on offense. This is what we will be striving for, and if successful, our defense will be top 5. 

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One thing I hope the Ravens do is draft an athletic pass rusher in the future. We have guys who are more stocky, rather than in the mold of Demarcus Ware. The Ravens have a prototype at outside linebacker, and that is bigger guys who can stop the run first and then get after the passer. I would like to see us get someone who is known just for rushing the passer.

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One thing I hope the Ravens do is draft an athletic pass rusher in the future. We have guys who are more stocky, rather than in the mold of Demarcus Ware. The Ravens have a prototype at outside linebacker, and that is bigger guys who can stop the run first and then get after the passer. I would like to see us get someone who is known just for rushing the passer.

 

Suggs and Dumervil aren't know for rushing the passer...?

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One thing I hope the Ravens do is draft an athletic pass rusher in the future. We have guys who are more stocky, rather than in the mold of Demarcus Ware. The Ravens have a prototype at outside linebacker, and that is bigger guys who can stop the run first and then get after the passer. I would like to see us get someone who is known just for rushing the passer.

 

Dumervil?

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Suggs and Dumervil aren't know for rushing the passer...?

 

I'm talking about someone who is really athletic. Suggs and Dumervill are great pass rushers, but I'm talking about someone who isn't built like them. Suggs and Dumervil use bull rushes a lot because of their body types. I was looking for someone who can just beat you with speed around the edge.

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I'm talking about someone who is really athletic. Suggs and Dumervill are great pass rushers, but I'm talking about someone who isn't built like them. Suggs and Dumervil use bull rushes a lot because of their body types. I was looking for someone who can just beat you with speed around the edge.

 

1. Why? Why does that matter? It doesn't.

 

2. Those types of players rarely last. One trick pony pass rushers rarely have consistent success, especially those that rely on a speed rush.

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1. Why? Why does that matter? It doesn't.

 

2. Those types of players rarely last. One trick pony pass rushers rarely have consistent success, especially those that rely on a speed rush.

 

Osi Umenyiora, Robert Mathis, and Cameron Wake to name a few. It would bring something different to our pass rush as well. Another thing teams have to game plan for.

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I think we just need to be more aggressive an blitz more, with Arthur Brown up the middle, then Suggs/Doom could really get it going!

arthurt brown is lethal on the delayed blitz up the middle. so much explosion and closing speed

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and I think this relies on a few factors. how much of the old ngata will we see? is he going to eat up double and triple teams and still dominate? doubt it. will deangelo Tyson step in nicely for Arthur jones? I think eventually he will, can suggs stay in shape? doubt it, I predict another season just like he had. will McPhee stay healthy? doubt it, hes just got the injury bug. also, how will john simon and KLM fare in their first real game time(if they get it this year) I think they'll both be pretty good and develop into real nice rotational rushers.

 

I think we will have a decent pass rush, top 10 maybe, but nothing stellar.

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and I think this relies on a few factors. how much of the old ngata will we see? is he going to eat up double and triple teams and still dominate? doubt it. will deangelo Tyson step in nicely for Arthur jones? I think eventually he will, can suggs stay in shape? doubt it, I predict another season just like he had. will McPhee stay healthy? doubt it, hes just got the injury bug. also, how will john simon and KLM fare in their first real game time(if they get it this year) I think they'll both be pretty good and develop into real nice rotational rushers.

 

I think we will have a decent pass rush, top 10 maybe, but nothing stellar.

 

seriously hoping some of these late rounders start topping our vets to take the reign.

 

If i don't see a significant improvement on simon/KLM(injured last season), they are sitting as ST/bench warmers.   

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Im confident in Suggs and Dumervil, but our interior pass-rush is lacking.

 

Hoping Tyson and KLM fill that void

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1. Why? Why does that matter? It doesn't.

 

2. Those types of players rarely last. One trick pony pass rushers rarely have consistent success, especially those that rely on a speed rush.

Why not draft good one for depth/development? Someone like Jeremiah Attaochu would be absolute steal in the 3rd round. We all witnessed what happened to our pass rush in the second half of the season, after Sizzle's neck injury.

 

If we sign Monroe, there would be no need to draft OT, so good value OLB doesn't seem like a luxury.

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What is lacking is our rush defense, as an example the Patriots blew us off the ball to finish the game in week 16, they ran on us at will.

 

Without being able to stop the run a defense cannot rush the passer, a defense must earn the right to rush the passer by placing the opposing offense in second and third and long.  Our OLBs can't pin their ears back and we can't use our sub packages when opposing offenses are in second and third and short. 

 

We were also lacking in coverage. 

 

We were tied for last in preventing the deep pass, which is not a very good stat, and extremely frustrating, when an offense is finally in third and long and they pick up mad yardage, like the Bengals did on multiple occasions week 17.  

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