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Arthur or Jacoby?

It looks like money is tight again, but at some point we need to address the next generation after Ngata.I believe We should take Jacoby money and throw it to Athur. Hate to start over there.

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Someone will probably throw crazy $ at Arthur, not so sure about Jacoby and IMO he is more likely to remain.  As with all of the personnel decisions it will come down to the $ and I doubt we break the bank to keep Arthur.  It seems that most of the cap room will be used to address holes in the O.

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I think Arthur is more likely to break the bank than Jacoby, but it would not surprise me at all if both were overpaid in free agency and we end up with neither.  Remember last year when apparently we were going to focus on Ellerbe, but he, Cary, Kruger, and Ed were all overpaid by their respective new teams.

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Apparently contract talks with Haloti went no where, so a chance of freeing up money and keeping our DL intact just isn't going to happen.

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Apparently contract talks with Haloti went no where, so a chance of freeing up money and keeping our DL intact just isn't going to happen.

Fairly predictable considering: 1) he's hinted at retirement the last few years, and if he does retire in the next couple of years, an extension wouldn't make any sense (he may still me mulling over his plans), and 2) the team just doesn't have any leverage this year since cutting him would only save $1M; it's like trying to negotiate an extension with Suggs LAST year.

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If I had to choose, Arthur any day of the week. 

 

While Jacoby is a terrific playmaker, games are won and loss in the trenches and Arthur made significant improvements the last two years, he's more important to our team in my opinion. And I like his sack dance lol if you can call that a dance

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It won't be jones or jones, it will be Monroe or jones more than likely, or pitta jones.

Jacoby won't factor into their re signings

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Did I miss something last year or is Arthur Jones some super star now worthy of franchise tag conversations?

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Judging by what I just read about Monroe/Pitta not willing to take a discount, neither of the Jones's will be here next year.

 

Arthur is a solid defensive lineman, but not a star by any means. Another team (I think New England) will offer him more than we are able to. 

 

Jacoby is my boy, I love that guy. Unless he wants back on the cheap side, he can be replaced through the draft. 

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Judging by what I just read about Monroe/Pitta not willing to take a discount, neither of the Jones's will be here next year.

Arthur is a solid defensive lineman, but not a star by any means. Another team (I think New England) will offer him more than we are able to.

Jacoby is my boy, I love that guy. Unless he wants back on the cheap side, he can be replaced through the draft.

I think Jones will get more money from New England and also get the chance to play with his brother. I could also see him going to Play in Indy or GB. GB usually doesn't sign FA's like that but it's just a hunch.
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Apparently contract talks with Haloti went no where, so a chance of freeing up money and keeping our DL intact just isn't going to happen.

While I agree players must keep their own interests in mind, and there are obvious reasons why Ngata would not work out an extension...this still fairly disappointed me. Ngata has been playing hurt the last 2-3 years and really has not been that dominant defensive lineman everyone say he is based on name alone. Yes, he used to be that guy, but has not been for a while. It is fairly disappointing to me that he wouldn't even consider taking a minor discount for the good of the team. By clearing up another 2-4 million, the Ravens could actually be in a decently favorable cap position for the first time in I dont even know how long. I obviously dont understand the ins and outs of these kinds of deals and understand the nfl is a business and you get your money when you can, but at this point in Ngata's career you would think he'd have enough money to say I'd rather help the team chase another ring than continue to eat up all the cap space I can

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I think Jones will get more money from New England and also get the chance to play with his brother. I could also see him going to Play in Indy or GB. GB usually doesn't sign FA's like that but it's just a hunch.

 

Yep NE or Green Bay. The Packers already said they were out to spend money. With Jones being able to play in both a 3-4 or a 4-3 .. I think he's a very attractive option for Belichick. Plus his brother is already recruiting him ... 

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Yep NE or Green Bay. The Packers already said they were out to spend money. With Jones being able to play in both a 3-4 or a 4-3 .. I think he's a very attractive option for Belichick. Plus his brother is already recruiting him ... 

 

 

While I'm sure AJ would love to play with his brother, I don't think NE is much better off cap wise than the Ravens. 

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How is that even a question. Jacoby is a situational guy, Art is one of the best D-Linemen in the league and hasn't even hit his prime yet. But he'll be too expensive to retain unless he wants to stay. I saw one of his tweets a couple days ago, he was begging Pitta to stay. Sounded like he's planning on staying here if he gets a solid offer from us, which I expect. We're not gonna lowball him.

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Did I miss something last year or is Arthur Jones some super star now worthy of franchise tag conversations?

Art is a stud.  The kind of guy 34 defenses shell out money for.  I don't know the tag price for DTs but if they can sign Pitta long term they need to look long and hard at tagging Art.

We literally have no one else who can play that spot on the roster.

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If its a choice between them, the answer is easily Art. I don't think either are worth breaking the bank over. Monroe, Pitta, and Smith are all bigger priorities.

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I think the overlying question is which one is more likely to get an over the top offer elsewhere. It seems pretty obvious that is Art.

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Art is a stud.  The kind of guy 34 defenses shell out money for.  I don't know the tag price for DTs but if they can sign Pitta long term they need to look long and hard at tagging Art.

We literally have no one else who can play that spot on the roster.

 

Agreed, if we can get something done with Pitta I'm wondering if that's a possibilty. The tag price for DTs is $9.2 million.

 

It's funny how the 2010 draft turned out. The DT (Cody) and TE (Dickson) we drafted before Jones and Pitta turned out to be huge dissapointments, but showed flashes early on, while we're trying to figure out who we should give the franchise tag to with the latter two.

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Did I miss something last year or is Arthur Jones some super star now worthy of franchise tag conversations?

 

You missed something. ;)

Art was one of the best D-Linemen last year. He hasn't hit his prime yet, he can play any position on the D-Line and dominate from anywhere really. 4-3 DT, 4-3 DE, 3-4 DE, whatever. Definitely All Pro material at 4-3 DT / 3-4 DE. Excellent pass rusher, excellent run stopper. Somebody will pay him big bucks.

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If its a choice between them, the answer is easily Art. I don't think either are worth breaking the bank over. Monroe, Pitta, and Smith are all bigger priorities.

 

 

Agreed. At this point the three you mention are all a bigger priority.

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I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they both left.  Art will command big money, and Jacoby is behind Monroe/Pitta/Smith in priority.

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If the Ravens don't franchise Pitta then Art Jones for sure is not coming back. I didn't think he will come back. Gotta go for the big bucks somewhere else. Like NE.

 

Jacoby I have a feeling stays.

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well it seems that Nata is not a team player, it also seems Pitta thinks he's Jimmy Graham. Nata is always hurt and Pitta can't block. So I would just IR Nata and let  Pitta walk. We can pick a free agent TE who can block and catch and draft another. Tag Art Jones if a deal can't be made, we need him or find decent free agents to replace him. This may seem crazy to everyone but I would not let this team be held ransom for the sake of over paid  players.

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If I could pick one without money involved, it's Art Jones by far.  I don't see either of them back, though.

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Did I miss something last year or is Arthur Jones some super star now worthy of franchise tag conversations?

I agree, solid, but not worth breaking the bank for.  People forget how high they were on KLM before the injury.  I think we will be fine between him and Tyson. 

 

The defensive line play will rely heavily on Ngata and Brandon Williams if you ask me.  I think Suggs and Doom have a much better season next year.  Now I'd focus on trying to retain Smith on defense, and Monroe and Pitta on offense.  Honestly though, if both of them try to break the bank.  I know this won't be a popular opinion, but their are TEs to be had this draft and now that we finally have some cap space, if we can go into next year in decent financial condition, the team could make some good moves in 15 and beyond.

 

Anyway, I say let em both walk if they can't be worked within the teams price range, but will say Jacoby is probably more valuable to the team for what he does and how much he would cost.

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I guess I wasn't paying as much attention to Arthur Jones last year.  That's what happens when you get older lol.

 

In all seriousness I thought Jones played exceptionally well and has matured from his backup/rotating status to a full time starter.  I would not put him in the same conversation as Justin Tuck or other start DE, and so I do not think he is worth thinking about a franchise tag.

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Arthur may have a burning desire to be on the same team as his brother.....but my gut-feeling is telling me that he wants to remain an alumnus of "BALL SO HARD UNIVERSITY" and do it "T-SIZZLE STYLE" to stay a RAVEN 4 LIFE or just to keep DRAGONFLY JONES in the house along with another alumnus of "BALL SO HARD UNIVERSITY"!

I'm hoping that our FA veterans have football dynasty on their minds........I know that "T-SIZZLE" does I pray that they follow suit.

Go-o-o-o-o-o-o RAVENS!!!!

Nearly eighteen years in the NFL with 10 playoff appearances.....the ONLY NFL Football team to win ALL of their SUPERBOWL appearances!!!!

Who can do what we can do? probably nobody!!!!!!

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Im not sure either will be here next season. Arthur Jones may want to test the market where he could get a lucrative deal, and same with Jacoby...although I feel that Jacoby may not draw as much interest and could wind up back here on a cheap deal. You dont pay multimillions for a kick returner, and Im not sure other teams will either.

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I hope we don't over spend if we end up keeping Arthur.

 

I really hope we just don't throw an insane amount of money his way. 

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I hope we don't over spend if we end up keeping Arthur.

 

I really hope we just don't throw an insane amount of money his way. 

We wont. We rarely do.

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We wont. We rarely do.

   Nah we let other people do that,  like with Kruger, Ellerbe, and Cary Williams from last year hah

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   Nah we let other people do that,  like with Kruger, Ellerbe, and Cary Williams from last year hah

 

 

Its like shopping for anything else. Some people just like to overpay. I guess they think they really bought something that way.

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Im not sure either will be here next season. Arthur Jones may want to test the market where he could get a lucrative deal, and same with Jacoby...although I feel that Jacoby may not draw as much interest and could wind up back here on a cheap deal. You dont pay multimillions for a kick returner, and Im not sure other teams will either.

I think some teams might...  There are still people on TV saying that he shoulda been Super Bowl MVP... like NFL Network.  That being said...  I still think we should try and keep him...  He said he loves Baltimore...  He's earned his keep here, I think...  and after the Mile High Miracle, and his performance in the SB, there are people who  will offer him muh-lah out there.

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Jacoby is my boy, I love that guy. Unless he wants back on the cheap side, he can be replaced through the draft. 

 

Whoa....

 

I hear Oz talkin the talk.....but lets see him walk the walk!

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I think some teams might...  There are still people on TV saying that he shoulda been Super Bowl MVP... like NFL Network.  That being said...  I still think we should try and keep him...  He said he loves Baltimore...  He's earned his keep here, I think...  and after the Mile High Miracle, and his performance in the SB, there are people who  will offer him muh-lah out there.

 

He wasn't himself to mid season or so........He's not a kid anymore, but his value far exceeds the label of kick returner / "number 4" receiver or whatever that means....lmao

 

Jacoby's value is measured in games won that would not have been won otherwise.  Lets let the "Number 1 Receiver" Fantasy Football Value setters in these forums do the calculation. They love real math!

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Art Jones is a prototypical 43 under tackle, and is playing out of position, and still doing it well.  Art Jones is best suited in a one gap scheme in a 43 defense.    

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He wasn't himself to mid season or so........He's not a kid anymore, but his value far exceeds the label of kick returner / "number 4" receiver or whatever that means....lmao

 

Jacoby's value is measured in games won that would not have been won otherwise.  Lets let the "Number 1 Receiver" Fantasy Football Value setters in these forums do the calculation. They love real math!

 

Jones is a playmaker and it would be nice for him to return as a Raven. He's not worth what he was paid last year which I believe was 4.5 million and if he's asking for  the same or more then he's not worth bringing back either. 

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Art Jones is a prototypical 43 under tackle, and is playing out of position, and still doing it well.  Art Jones is best suited in a one gap scheme in a 43 defense.    

Damn skippy. Dude would be All Pro, Pro Bowl, and possibly a HOFer if he played in that for his entire career. Dude is that good.

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Jones is a playmaker and it would be nice for him to return as a Raven. He's not worth what he was paid last year which I believe was 4.5 million and if he's asking for  the same or more then he's not worth bringing back either. 

 

One has to agree that a player that adds two games to the win column is not going to be valuable enough to a team unless his Stats are "Fantasy Football" quality.  Everyone knows that.

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