Incognito, Jerry or Pouncey possible career rehab in Baltimore?

[Alexir]

I dont know.

1,000 fumbles is quite a lot.

That works out to be 62.5 fumbles per game.

I dont think those numbers quite work for me.

What if we just get him to do 250 a game in the pre season?

[Jalxsu]

They are being portrayed as bullies but bullies are what we call kids in elementary, middle and high school. These are grown adults. This is a NFL Lockerroom. I don't think they did anything out of the ordinary, they just had a whistleblower. A whistleblower who was just as guilty as the rest. Martin isn't a saint either. He is a coward. Read the text messages. You will see he is not innocent in this at all.

Really? I'm sorry, but I don't know any full grown adults who act like that, especially at a place of work.

I'm not sure how old you are, but in my world, full grown adults can joke around with their friends and colleagues, but they also treat them with respect. I just find it very odd that people believe the behaviour of the Dolphins players is normal for guys in their 20s/30s. Most people I know would be embarrassed to be acting like that after the age of about 14?

Also, bullying happens at any age. If you went to prison, you'd know that the age of someone is pretty irrelevant.

No one should be forced to be made to feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in their place of work.

[Alexir]

Really? I'm sorry, but I don't know any full grown adults who act like that, especially at a place of work.

I'm not sure how old you are, but in my world, full grown adults can joke around with their friends and colleagues, but they also treat them with respect. I just find it very odd that people believe the behaviour of the Dolphins players is normal for guys in their 20s/30s. Most people I know would be embarrassed to be acting like that after the age of about 14?

Also, bullying happens at any age. If you went to prison, you'd know that the age of someone is pretty irrelevant.

No one should be forced to be made to feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in their place of work.

 

I am 27 years old. Old enough to realize that a lockerroom for an all men's team CANNOT be compared to a real work enviornment with a real HR department. Shouldn't everyone know that? You are putting these entertainers in the same class as us and they aren't. A lockerroom isn't an office building. It's not a classroom.

 

This right here just shows the wussification of the world. I am totally against bullying whether cyber bullying or in school or wherever. But these are grown men. The NFL is a fraternity. Why don't you guys get that?

If Jonathan Martin was uncomfortable, he should of handled it like an adult. Instead he made it a media circus. Martin is the most immature one out of all of them. His text messages are just as bad butt Ritchie's.

[Jalxsu]

Maybe it's just a cultural thing, but here in the UK I just don't believe that could be accepted.

I don't really understand why playing on a sports team mean you have to act like a jerk and be incapable of showing empathy.

I sometimes wonder if it's because lots of these guys are given a free ride through education, constantly feel they are above others because of their physicality , and they end up as full grown adults with stunted emotional development.

Anywhere else, this behaviour wouldn't be accepted. I don't believe it helps to create a positive working environment, and maybe if they learnt to treat each other properly, they may have more success. The Dolphins O line clearly hasn't benefitted by this, despite having personnel who have previously played at a Pro Bowl level.

[Jalxsu]

Also, I wouldn't say that it was Martin who made it a media circus. The way the media is these days, everything gets extensive coverage.

Martin eventually couldn't cope with the harassment and walked out on he team. In the past, the Dolphins may have been able to keep this quiet, but in today's world where people demand news 24/7, the media got word of it and it instantly became one of the main stories of the year.

[Alexir]

Maybe it's just a cultural thing, but here in the UK I just don't believe that could be accepted.

I don't really understand why playing on a sports team mean you have to act like a jerk and be incapable of showing empathy.

I sometimes wonder if it's because lots of these guys are given a free ride through education, constantly feel they are above others because of their physicality , and they end up as full grown adults with stunted emotional development.

Anywhere else, this behaviour wouldn't be accepted. I don't believe it helps to create a positive working environment, and maybe if they learnt to treat each other properly, they may have more success. The Dolphins O line clearly hasn't benefitted by this, despite having personnel who have previously played at a Pro Bowl level.

 

Two words: John Terry.

[Jalxsu]

Two words: John Terry.

Well of course we get idiots over here too! But he wasn't bullying another team mate, he was sleeping with his girlfriend! Pretty low, but kind of different.

He's also been accused of racially abusing other players, which is disgusting, but that wasn't another guy on his own team.

[KDUBB44]

I'll take Pouncey over Shipley or Gradkowski

[Alexir]

Well of course we get idiots over here too! But he wasn't bullying another team mate, he was sleeping with his girlfriend! Pretty low, but kind of different.

He's also been accused of racially abusing other players, which is disgusting, but that wasn't another guy on his own team.

 

That is the definition of bullying a teammate, mate! hahaha

 

All kidding a side. Terry is a bad example, he is a headcase, but then again he is a great guy to compare Incognito to. A captain where his peers respect him but has had issues on and off the field. I would love to know how people feel about him in the locker room.

 

It's not that American locker rooms are cavemen, it's more like Peter Pan and the Lost boys. They just never grow up.

 

We just can't justify comparing this "job" they have to something me or you do. We are in the real world.

[Jalxsu]

That is the definition of bullying a teammate, mate! hahaha

 

All kidding a side. Terry is a bad example, he is a headcase, but then again he is a great guy to compare Incognito to. A captain where his peers respect him but has had issues on and off the field. I would love to know how people feel about him in the locker room.

 

It's not that American locker rooms are cavemen, it's more like Peter Pan and the Lost boys. They just never grow up.

 

We just can't justify comparing this "job" they have to something me or you do. We are in the real world.

I think I'm starting to understand you a bit better now.

Terry is pretty hated by most fans and players (as is another lovely gentleman called Joey Barton - a guy who put out a cigar in a team mate's eye).

I guess I just find it very hard to blame the victim. I know you don't see Martin as a victim, but sometimes when you feel deeply uncomfortable in a situation, it can be easier to play along.

I'm not sure I believe that Incognito realised he crossed a line, but if anything, I think that's even more of a worry.

[Tank 92]

The on field talent does not out weigh the locker room cancer.

 

 

From what I have read Incognito was well liked and respected in the locker room. 

[K-Dog]

Maybe it's just a cultural thing, but here in the UK I just don't believe that could be accepted.

 

No, its not cultural.  At least not a UK / USA thing.

Respect and the definition is a fleeting thing here. 

We live in a world where a kid can all his parents the F word and suffer no consequences because some how discipline has become taboo and crushes a kid free spirit or what ever.

 

I am not denying for a second that this stuff is normal in a locker room, but does normal equal acceptable ?

I never understand why kids ( teens young adults ) like to give each other the middle finger in photos.   I really dont understand why at all.  But its that mentality that says its okay to be offensive, or its okay to be rude, or its okay to be mean that leads to situations like we have in the Miami locker room ( at least )

As the saying goes " When you dont deal with the little things it gives permission to the bigger things "

 

There is nothing weak or wussy about respect.  I will submit the opposite.

 

[The Mom Gene]

Its not s cultural thing here at all.

[BloodRaven]

Matt Birk disagrees.

 

Theres always an exception to the rule.

[BloodRaven]

Also, I wouldn't say that it was Martin who made it a media circus. The way the media is these days, everything gets extensive coverage.

Martin eventually couldn't cope with the harassment and walked out on he team. In the past, the Dolphins may have been able to keep this quiet, but in today's world where people demand news 24/7, the media got word of it and it instantly became one of the main stories of the year.

 

He absolutely couldn't cope, but he acted like one of the guys for so long nobody knew there was a problem. Why else do you think the entire team backed Richie? there were other avenues besides abandoning the team and having his people whip up a media frenzy.

[The Mom Gene]

He absolutely couldn't cope, but he acted like one of the guys for so long nobody knew there was a problem. Why else do you think the entire team backed Richie? there were other avenues besides abandoning the team and having his people whip up a media frenzy.

Does anyone else think that by not acting like one of the guys, the problem would get worst???  Sometimes making others aware, or reporting the incidences simply makes things worst.  There are reasons why people don't respond like we assume that we should.  This behavior was inexcuseable on so many levels... even a trainer was targeted.  This was pathetic. And that the coaches claim they didn't know just makes it even worst.  I frankly don't believe this goes on in every locker room... not on this level anyway.

 

Maybe walking away was easier.  who knows what would have happened otherwise.  Maybe the guy commits suicide as he thought about twice.  and maybe the others end up pushing him over the edge... 

[runamuk]

No, its not cultural.  At least not a UK / USA thing.

Respect and the definition is a fleeting thing here. 

We live in a world where a kid can all his parents the F word and suffer no consequences because some how discipline has become taboo and crushes a kid free spirit or what ever.

 

I am not denying for a second that this stuff is normal in a locker room, but does normal equal acceptable ?

I never understand why kids ( teens young adults ) like to give each other the middle finger in photos.   I really dont understand why at all.  But its that mentality that says its okay to be offensive, or its okay to be rude, or its okay to be mean that leads to situations like we have in the Miami locker room ( at least )

As the saying goes " When you dont deal with the little things it gives permission to the bigger things "

 

There is nothing weak or wussy about respect.  I will submit the opposite.

 

 

 

Its not s cultural thing here at all.

I don't think its cultural , perhaps its a generational issue. I am seeing younger  (20 something's) forum members saying this is martins fault it is alright to threaten females and generally disrespect ourself and others, and (30-40 something) posters condemning it as a matter or respect. I'm in the later group some of it is normal other times they crossed the line and it shows they have no respect when they also attacked a trainer that had nothing to do with anything other then being ignorant .

[runamuk]

Does anyone else think that by not acting like one of the guys, the problem would get worst???  Sometimes making others aware, or reporting the incidences simply makes things worst.  There are reasons why people don't respond like we assume that we should.  This behavior was inexcuseable on so many levels... even a trainer was targeted.  This was pathetic. And that the coaches claim they didn't know just makes it even worst.  I frankly don't believe this goes on in every locker room... not on this level anyway.

I agree with you and it doesn't go on like this in locker rooms. I think Philbin is lying he knew if not all he was aware .Men do talk about females, but in my 40 plus years my friends have never talked to me about my wife, mother, sister like this because if they had we wouldn't be friends.

 

Martin went along to get along .

[The Mom Gene]

I don't think its cultural , perhaps its a generational issue. I am seeing younger  (20 something's) forum members saying this is martins fault it is alright to threatened females and generally disrespect ourself and others, and (30-40 something) posters condemning it as a matter or respect. I'm in the later group some of it is normal other times they crossed the line and it shows they have no respect when they also attacked a trainer that had nothing to do with anything other then being ignorant .

Exactly... I am in the 50's group.  There is a huge amount of disrespect by many... not all, but how we respond to something like this is so variable...  there are a host of different ways someone might react.  I find it hard to believe the number that have made Incognito the victim.  The guy has had behavioral issues on every team he has played on.  The entire situation is just pathetic.

[The Mom Gene]

I know that my husband or brothers would beat the snot out of anyone that spoke about me or my mom that way.  You cannot explain this stuff away.

[runamuk]

Exactly... I am in the 50's group.  There is a huge amount of disrespect by many... not all, but how we respond to something like this is so variable...  there are a host of different ways someone might react.  I find it hard to believe the number that have made Incognito the victim.  The guy has had behavioral issues on every team he has played on.  The entire situation is just pathetic.

I'm close to 50 myself I'm stunned by how many people are blaming Martin. Incognito has been a horrible person since college. I know we need oline personnel but these guys are not the answer.  It is beyond pathetic .

[runamuk]

I know that my husband or brothers would beat the snot out of anyone that spoke about me or my mom that way.  You cannot explain this stuff away.

+100 any "normal man" would

[The Mom Gene]

+100 any "normal man" would

Yup.

[K-Dog]

+100 any "normal man" would

Ya know thats funny.

 

I wonder if any of this were happening to the Mom or Dad or brother or Sister of the people who hold the other side of the argument if they would still insist its okay because this happens all the time any way, and it makes you tougher, and all that nonsense.

[runamuk]

Ya know thats funny.

 

I wonder if any of this were happening to the Mom or Dad or brother or Sister of the people who hold the other side of the argument if they would still insist its okay because this happens all the time any way, and it makes you tougher, and all that nonsense.

very interesting thought I wonder as well would it matter .

[K-Dog]

I perhaps its a generational issue.

Yeah that was what I was driving at in my post.  I am smack dab in the middle of my 40's.  When I was five years old I stuck my tongue out at my dad.  After that he picked me up by my tongue and pulled me up eye to him, and said " If you ever do that again I will rip it out. "

and I never did that again.  It was a healthy dose of respect from there on out.

How many times in the past fifteen years have we seen kids disrespect their parents?  With their attitudes, with their words, with their hands ? But SEEN no reaction what so ever from the parents.  ( its an assumption that they got away with it yes but a fair assumption I am confidant. ) ( If you dont believe me watch "Beyond Scared Straight " on A&E )

For some reason SOME ( seems many? )  in the under thirty generations think there is no consequences to that sort of behavior. Probably because for them there never was to begin with.  All you know is what you know.

[runamuk]

Yeah that was what I was driving at in my post.  I am smack dab in the middle of my 40's.  When I was five years old I stuck my tongue out at my dad.  After that he picked me up by my tongue and pulled me up eye to him, and said " If you ever do that again I will rip it out. "

and I never did that again.  It was a healthy dose of respect from there on out.

How many times in the past fifteen years have we seen kids disrespect their parents?  With their attitudes, with their words, with their hands ? But SEEN no reaction what so ever from the parents.  ( its an assumption that they got away with it yes but a fair assumption I am confidant. ) ( If you dont believe me watch "Beyond Scared Straight " on A&E )

For some reason SOME ( seems many? )  in the under thirty generations think there is no consequences to that sort of behavior. Probably because for them there never was to begin with.  All you know is what you know.

You and I are definitely on the same page . I was raised with consequences for everything I did good or bad and had a belt if  I disobeyed and I would be picking my teeth off the ground if I disrespected someone .  I don't know what this was but normal not even close  .

 

I do see that the prevailing thought is " if they can perform on the football field then off field behavior is acceptable". we have seen it countless times you drive drunk kill a teammate  ok, you rape  several females pay them off ok, lie about a murder investigation,,,, you get what I'm saying. Maybe that mentality has to change  before this becomes unacceptable .

[The Mom Gene]

I'm with you guys.  Some of the "consequences" we faced would be considered abuse today.  Its sad.  After numerous punishments to a daughter who consistently disobeyed us, my hubby threw her out on her butt at 2 am at age 24 for coming home drunk.  Two weeks later she came back begging forgiveness...  and today cannot believe we "put up with it" that long.  She is 30 now with one of her own.  And is very strict with her daughter.  More lessons need to be taught these days.  Consequences seem few and far between these days, and we wonder what is wrong with this Country.  I hear stories every day... 

 

We need more tough Love...

[jaege]

I'd take Pouncey with the quickness and he's the only one.  Have people never been a in a locker room before?  It's not exactly the most polite place.  There is a lot of trash talking among men and honestly, you're a little at fault if you wait to stand up for yourself.  You should have the confidence to stand your ground.

 

 

Said by a man who has never been on the bottom of the food chain. Sure everyone should have confidence and intelligence and charm and beauty and wealth and health and great parents and cake on their birthday. Maybe even a few people should have compassion, hmmm? Guess what? Everyone doesn't.

 

Some people are shy or non-confrontational, or introverted, or unsure of themselves, or just want to do their job and go home without putting up with a lot of BS. And maybe some people are hesitant to speak up and stand their ground because they don't want the "guys" in the locker room to look down on them.

 

Or maybe the guy was just a big wuss.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I'd take Pouncey instantly. I'm pretty sure everyone in that scenario was in the wrong in some manner, but after looking at the texts and the reports, Martin is the one who is truly in the wrong and the one who needs serious help.