Legitimate OC and franchise QB for the first time

[SecretAgentMan]

Most other fan bases' would say the same about Flacco. Just saying, not to be rude.

Ignorance is bliss... Why cause he's WON A SB!

[Gordo52]

Ignorance is bliss... Why cause he's WON A SB!

No one knows Flacco better than the fans who actually watch him and understand football.

[berad]

Most other fan bases' would say the same about Flacco. Just saying, not to be rude.

 

Must have blacked out after he trashed the Colts - he won the SB a few weeks later. Not to be rude

[Ravenslifer]

Thought we had it in Boller.  In Billick's defense I still think he called better games in 06 than Cameron did for the vast majority of his 3.5 years.

I still would like to see Billick in an offense with a real QB.

 

He had an offense with a real QB when he was in Minny with Moon and Cunningham, but the flipside of that was that he had receivers like Chris Carter, Jake Reed, and Randy Moss.  So the question with Billick (though I think the same should be said of Cam) is that he always succeeded with great to elite talent around him at both the QB and WR positions, and how much of that was Billick's work came into doubt after his tenure here.  And if it's true that Billick was the driving force behind drafting Boller, then I think his QB evaluation is worse than most, because what I remember of Boller is that he was a pretty inaccurate QB to begin with, and that never got better while he was here.

[Ravenslifer]

Most other fan bases' would say the same about Flacco. Just saying, not to be rude.

 

Uh, no - both Griese and Plummer were miserable away from Kubiak.  Flacco won a Superbowl without him.

[JoeyFlex5]

Joe is a better QB than Schaub and I think, that Pitta could be a better pass catching TE than Owen Daniels. On the other hand, you are right about us not having anyone of Andre Johnsons level at the WR position, eventhough Mike Evans (if we can draft him of course) could have the potential, if we're underrating his speed. I don't think Ray Rice is as good as Foster though, even if I'm counting on Ray to have a bounce back season.

Can the Ravens be nearly as good on the OL as the Texans were, when they were AFC favorites? I doubt it!

But you've got to admire what Kubiak has done with guys like Schaub, Griese or Plummer (not exactly SB-caliber QBs). The fact that he played the QB position and that he seems very focused on building an offense around Joe...

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Gary Kubiak: "You build your offense around your quarterback. It starts with Joe."

...makes me hopefull, that the offense will improve as a whole and be a bit more dynamic than some of us fear.

It's all still speculation at this point. Has the new football season started yet? Can't wait to see, what happens. All those changes will make the next season incredibly exciting.

evans will never be what andre johnson is. andre johnson isnt much smaller than evans and has much better hands, and most importantly he doesnt have to win jump balls(which generally isnt a very reliable tactic to use constantly) because hes so consistently open because he is a absolute technician at running routes, something mike evans is just too goofy to do. 

 

evans may be as good as alshon jeffrey after a few years of transitioning, but he will never be as complete a receiver as AJ

[funky141]

Must have blacked out after he trashed the Colts - he won the SB a few weeks later. Not to be rude

You must of blackout again because that was last year, just saying.

[berad]

You must of blackout again because that was last year, just saying.

 

Which gave everyone a full year to come to terms with the fact that he is a 'SB-caliber' player.

[funky141]

Which gave everyone a full year to come to terms with the fact that he is a 'SB-caliber' player.

I never said he was not, Flacco is a good QB.

 

 

But ask fans of other teams to see how they view him? That's the true aspect of a player. (How opposing fans think of a certain player)

[FerrariFan87]

As a "Franchise QB" I would like to see Flacco do what Manning, Big Ben, and other Franchise QBs do in the offseason: That is, get together with his young/new WRs and TEs to start developing a rapport.

 

Joe may have done this a couple of years ago, but I think it's something that he should be doing every offseason to stay sharp and get on the same page with his receivers.

[Fear_the_Raven]

I think, what's most enraging me, is that the title of this topic is so true. It took us sooooo long to have a talented QB like Joe and an accomplished OC like Kubiak on this team in the same time. I mean, what where we doing?

Winning two Super Bowls.  It is frustrating that the Ravens wasted so many seasons with absolutely stacked rosters because they couldn't find a competent quarterback or creative play caller, but it's impossible to have everything in the salary cap era.  Plenty of organizations have had talented quarterbacks and high-powered offenses, and ended up with nothing to show for it.  I'll take the frustration because the results have still been more than sufficient.

[PolishRifle]

Winning two Super Bowls.  It is frustrating that the Ravens wasted so many seasons with absolutely stacked rosters because they couldn't find a competent quarterback or creative play caller, but it's impossible to have everything in the salary cap era.  Plenty of organizations have had talented quarterbacks and high-powered offenses, and ended up with nothing to show for it.  I'll take the frustration because the results have still been more than sufficient.

 

Pretty much. Just having a great defense won't win you a title and just having a great QB doesn't do it either. It's a balancing act really. Besides, you never know "how great" those units are until your team gets to the SB in the first place. The 49ers played against us with a "great defense" and the Broncos had a "great offense".

Regular season stats are so useless.

[Gordo52]

I never said he was not, Flacco is a good QB.

But ask fans of other teams to see how they view him? That's the true aspect of a player. (How opposing fans think of a certain player)

False.

Other fans don't watch all 16+ Ravens games. They don't follow or account for everything. Stat watching doesn't tell the whole story. Bias might affect some views, but so does hate.

No one besides the few who study QB tape diligently know Flacco more than a Ravens fan.

[The Mom Gene]

I never said he was not, Flacco is a good QB.

 

 

But ask fans of other teams to see how they view him? That's the true aspect of a player. (How opposing fans think of a certain player)

That's not true..  most opposing team fans dislike other team QB's....purely based on fandom

[Ravenseconbeast]

That's not true..  most opposing team fans dislike other team QB's....purely based on fandom

 

What do you mean by that?  

[JoeyFlex5]

What do you mean by that?  

we hate ben roethlisberger and tom brady simply because theyre our rivals. just an example

[Guest RBates]

we hate ben roethlisberger and tom brady simply because theyre our rivals. just an example

No we hate Tom because he gets cheated for and he is a wimp. With Ben, it's a love- hate relationship. 

[The Mom Gene]

What do you mean by that?  

I mean, different fan bases dislike other QB's for reasons OTHER than that they are GOOD or GREAT QB's. Flacco is a GOOD QB with the potential to be GREAT.  People don't like his personality...  He's not a Media Boy.  He's not Flashy, and doesn't give the media stuff to play with about him.  He quietly wins games, playoff games... and comes alive that time of year.  Yeah, we hate Brady and Manning because they are coddled by the refs...  We hate Ben because he is the Steeler's QB and the controversy that has followed him, We hate Kaepernick, because he is arrogant and selfish off the field...  Yeah, maybe fans will admit that he is a good QB, but they're not going to admit it to that QB's fan base....  EVER!  Especially if they are rivals in their division or even in their conference. 

[The Mom Gene]

Joe is a Legitimate Franchise QB.

Kubiak is a Legitimate Franchise OC...

Nuff Said!

[funky141]

Joe is a Legitimate Franchise QB.

Kubiak is a Legitimate Franchise OC...

Nuff Said!

You can also say

Kubiak is a Legitimate Franchise OC...but has failed with great talent around him in Houston

 

he needs to get it done for the Ravens.

[funky141]

False.

Other fans don't watch all 16+ Ravens games. They don't follow or account for everything. Stat watching doesn't tell the whole story. Bias might affect some views, but so does hate.

No one besides the few who study QB tape diligently know Flacco more than a Ravens fan.

That False as well.

You do not need 16 games to see what QBs have it or not.

[The Mom Gene]

You can also say

Kubiak is a Legitimate Franchise OC...but has failed with great talent around him in Houston

 

he needs to get it done for the Ravens.

Yes, with health issues this year, he did fail in Houston....Past seasons he was successful as a Head Coach.  He's been very successful as an OC

[Tyler]

No we hate Tom because he gets cheated for and he is a wimp. With Ben, it's a love- hate relationship.

I agree, no doubt. Ben Roethlisberger is a Helluva QB. You can't take that away from him. We hate him for 2 reasons: He plays for the bitter division rivals, and he is a clutch qb that knows how to win when it counts. How many heartbreaking losses has that guy given us over the years with his ability to extend the play? We hate Peyton Manning(although I love the guy as a football fan), because his time with Indy has caused us nothing but problems... I don't even want I talk about 06. Brady is a totally different animal. He is the only qb in the league to cry for a flag and get it. I remember Brett Favre getting destroyed in the NFC title game a few years ago and there was no crying or begging the refs for a flag. Brady is one of those quarterbacks you would hate on any team, but the other guys I mentioned, their success has caused all of the hate. Denver fans will forever hate Joe Flacco.... That's just how it goes.

[Gordo52]

That False as well.

You do not need 16 games to see what QBs have it or not.

Ok lmao

[Ravenseconbeast]

I hope they can find a way to help each other and lift themselves up from last year's mess.    Both had it pretty rough last year. They both have the talent to do it.     Would really be a wonderful story if they click and turn this offense into what was really meant to be.   

This is the 3rd OC for Flacco.   Lets hope this is the one.

[baltimorefan328]

You can also say

Kubiak is a Legitimate Franchise OC...but has failed with great talent around him in Houston

 

he needs to get it done for the Ravens.

just wondering what makes you say he failed in Houston? If you mean he failed to win a super bowl, then yes that is true. Then again the majority of people don't accomplish that. But if you look at that offense under Kubiak it was consistently one of the best offenses in the league. He turned Matt Shaub into a 4000 yard passer and covered up his deficiencies about as well as you could do. I would say Kubiak is very very legitimate. I cannot make many predictions because those can always come back to bite you, but I will say I believe Kubiak, having to only focus on the offense rather than the whole team, will have a profound effect on the offense this year

[The Mom Gene]

just wondering what makes you say he failed in Houston? If you mean he failed to win a super bowl, then yes that is true. Then again the majority of people don't accomplish that. But if you look at that offense under Kubiak it was consistently one of the best offenses in the league. He turned Matt Shaub into a 4000 yard passer and covered up his deficiencies about as well as you could do. I would say Kubiak is very very legitimate. I cannot make many predictions because those can always come back to bite you, but I will say I believe Kubiak, having to only focus on the offense rather than the whole team, will have a profound effect on the offense this year

Yup.

[funky141]

just wondering what makes you say he failed in Houston? If you mean he failed to win a super bowl, then yes that is true. Then again the majority of people don't accomplish that. But if you look at that offense under Kubiak it was consistently one of the best offenses in the league. He turned Matt Shaub into a 4000 yard passer and covered up his deficiencies about as well as you could do. I would say Kubiak is very very legitimate. I cannot make many predictions because those can always come back to bite you, but I will say I believe Kubiak, having to only focus on the offense rather than the whole team, will have a profound effect on the offense this year

Meaning the last 3 years Kubiak and the Texans were favorites to win the Super Bowl with their stellar defense and offense.

But they not only get knocked out of the playoffs but don't even get to a AFC Championship game at least one time.

Kubiak failed there but maybe going back to being a OC will help him succeed.

[PolishRifle]

Meaning the last 3 years Kubiak and the Texans were favorites to win the Super Bowl with their stellar defense and offense.

But they not only get knocked out of the playoffs but don't even get to a AFC Championship game at least one time.

Kubiak failed there but maybe going back to being a OC will help him succeed.

 Exactly. He failed as a HC. He doesn't have to deal with that in Baltimore. That's Harbs job and we already know, that Harbs is one of the best in the league at that.

[HoldingCall]

Meaning the last 3 years Kubiak and the Texans were favorites to win the Super Bowl with their stellar defense and offense.

But they not only get knocked out of the playoffs but don't even get to a AFC Championship game at least one time.

Kubiak failed there but maybe going back to being a OC will help him succeed.

 

I respect Ed Reed knowledge of the game, so what did he mean when just prior to being cut from Houston he stated, "we were out played and out coached?" He made that comment based on the coaching staff not seeing what was obvious and clear to him. At that time, I had assumed the comment was directed toward the coordinators. Particularly, ones who kept him mostly on the sideline. Was there more to it than that or was it a comment caused by frustration?

 

Remember the result of the Ravens changing coordinators in 2012, so maybe Kubiak can only be blamed for not firing his.