Legitimate OC and franchise QB for the first time

[JoeyFlex5]

as ravens fans, we have yet to see a consistently productive offense that puts up big yardage and lights up the scoreboard week after week. we have grown accustomed to watching a different brand of football, its all about the 5 yard runs, beating people up, hitting teams hard, shutting them down on defense, and playing solid fundamental football, some people would actually call it boring(i wouldnt, but most would) 

 

we may finally, for the first time in our 19th season as a franchise, get to see one of those high powered, big play, exciting high flying offenses. 

 

for so long, we have seen potential from our offense one week, then see them crap the bed the next week, and we have seen too many 3and outs, too many dropped passes, and vanilla systems that result in inconsistent play. we have watched year after year, our potential washed down the drain due to cam cameron, caldwell, brian billick, and jim fassel operated offenses, systems where our receivers get zero help to get open, and if our run game doesnt work, then nothing works. i have grown tired of seeing our excellent qb being underutilized, and i just wanted to discuss the excitement i have of FINALLY being able to(possibly) watch a entertaining and constistently productive offense that wont bore us to death and leave us banging our heads in frustration. 

 

are we ready to see this kind of play from our team for the first time ever? i sure am.

[PolishRifle]

we may finally, for the first time in our 19th season as a franchise, get to see one of those high powered, big play, exciting high flying offenses. 

 

This might be the most depressing line ever written on this message board. How did the Ravens manage to win 2 SBs?

[JoeyFlex5]

This might be the most depressing line ever written on this message board. How did the Ravens manage to win 2 SBs?

the exact reason why i made this thread lmao. if we get a #1 wr and the line holds up, i think half of our fanbases heads will explode before midseason lol

[Purple_ICE 81]

as ravens fans, we have yet to see a consistently productive offense that puts up big yardage and lights up the scoreboard week after week. we have grown accustomed to watching a different brand of football, its all about the 5 yard runs, beating people up, hitting teams hard, shutting them down on defense, and playing solid fundamental football, some people would actually call it boring(i wouldnt, but most would) 

 

we may finally, for the first time in our 19th season as a franchise, get to see one of those high powered, big play, exciting high flying offenses. 

 

for so long, we have seen potential from our offense one week, then see them crap the bed the next week, and we have seen too many 3and outs, too many dropped passes, and vanilla systems that result in inconsistent play. we have watched year after year, our potential washed down the drain due to cam cameron, caldwell, brian billick, and jim fassel operated offenses, systems where our receivers get zero help to get open, and if our run game doesnt work, then nothing works. i have grown tired of seeing our excellent qb being underutilized, and i just wanted to discuss the excitement i have of FINALLY being able to(possibly) watch a entertaining and constistently productive offense that wont bore us to death and leave us banging our heads in frustration. 

 

are we ready to see this kind of play from our team for the first time ever? i sure am.

Still a bit worried that we will go overly run oriented under Kubiak's system and that we will not develop our passing offense enough and give it the vital steps forward that it needs to take. The Texans have had successful offenses running the ball with Arian Foster and Ben Tate the past couple of seasons, but it seemed like when the time came that they couldn't run the ball effectively their passing game became a non factor as well.

 

I really hope we balance things out well and dont hand the ball off 400 times like Kubiak is used to doing, not only does it wear and tear your running backs up but it also takes away from the development of the passing game and that is everything we need to improve on right now offensively.

[Moderator 3]

I don't care if we're never high-flying, big play, etc. i would like to see us efficient and scoring points.

[JoeyFlex5]

Still a bit worried that we will go overly run oriented under Kubiak's system and that we will not develop our passing offense enough and give it the vital steps forward that it needs to take. The Texans have had succsessful offenses running the ball with Arian Foster and Ben Tate the past couple of seasons, but it seemed like when the time came that they couldn't run the ball effectively their passing game became a non factor as well.

 

I really hope we balance things out well and dont hand the ball off 400 times like Kubiak is used to doing, not only does it wear and tear your running backs up but it also takes away from the development of the passing game and that is everything we need to improve on right now offensively.

this is a very good point and that was why i didnt want kubiak at first, but after hearing his press conference, he seemed genuinely intent on focusing this offense on joe and making him the best he can be. 

 

you also have to take into consideration what he had to work with in houston, he had good RB's, 1 good receiver, and a QB who i would say is  nothing more than a very good backup, a josh mccown type. if kubiak can get a qb like matt schaub to lead the league in passing, he can do big things with joe, because if you watch the 2011 season in houston, schaub went down for the year, and TJ yates stepped in and the offense may have fell off SLIGHTLY, but for the most part it didnt skip a beat. it seems like a qb friendly offense that will produce a good running game, and when the run game was shut down, he had matt schaub trying to carry the O, joe has shown time after time an ability to carry our offense, and if our run game doesnt work, joe will still put us in a position to win games under this system. 

 

also the best 2nd WR kubiak had in houston was jacoby, but he was also inconsistent, torrey is a much bigger threat than jacoby and is much more consistent, he also made owen daniels look like one of the top TE's in the league, and he is good, but i wouldnt say he is anywhere near pittas caliber, so if pitta returns and we get a #1WR, then kubiak has a lot more to work with than he had in houston. 

 

look what kubiak did when he had a true starting qb in denver, he won 2 back to back super bowls, then made brian griese look serviceable lol. i think this system will take off with joe running it.

[Dr. Kelley]

Now if we got a real defensive coordinator we wilk be in business

[playlikeawhat]

19 years to get to this point.  Embarrassing.  Don't care if other teams took longer.  Still unacceptable.

[K-Dog]

half of our fanbases heads will explode before midseason lol

That will free up some space around here .....

[TDubbs]

Haha, we have truly seen some ugly offense here in the past, that is fore sure. But now we can expect to see a consistent offensive identity as opposed to the inconsistency we saw this season. This is definitely what I'm looking forward. Kubiak has a proven offensive system that has won SB's and also gotten the most out of average talent at times (Shaub). His play-calling is geared towards controlling time of possession, which we saw none of last season. 

[Gordo52]

I don't care if we're never high-flying, big play, etc. i would like to see us efficient and scoring points.

This.

Just win the turnover battle, control the clock and be efficient in the redzone/3rd down. Those are the keys to success and hopefully we'll see at least 3/4 for the majority of next season.

[ratedr]

This might be the most depressing line ever written on this message board. How did the Ravens manage to win 2 SBs?

You don't need a high flying offense to win Super Bowls, just look at this past Super Bowl.

Our offense from the playoffs last year was pretty special though. Averaged 31 ppg.

[JoeyFlex5]

That will free up some space around here .....

oh man i hope it happens, then we wont hear a word from tyrods cheerleaders and the harboo-ers. such a large portion of our fanbase is just clueless about how good our team is lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Now if we got a real defensive coordinator we wilk be in business

i still dont know about this. pees seems like a genius at times and at other times im like (vince lombardi voice) what the hell is goin on out here?? 

 

i think he should dump his philosophy on cb's and let the jimmy shadow the #1 and take advantage of the versatile weapons we have like webb sizzle doom elam and canty. it drives me up a wall when i see corey graham playing 10 yards off a 6 foot + receiver on 3rd and 3, put jimmy on that fool and jam his shoulderpads up into his chin lol

[PolishRifle]

You don't need a high flying offense to win Super Bowls, just look at this past Super Bowl.

Our offense from the playoffs last year was pretty special though. Averaged 31 ppg.

 

I think, what's most enraging me, is that the title of this topic is so true. It took us sooooo long to have a talented QB like Joe and an accomplished OC like Kubiak on this team in the same time. I mean, what where we doing?

[JoeyFlex5]

I think, what's most enraging me, is that the title of this topic is so true. It took us sooooo long to have a talented QB like Joe and an accomplished OC like Kubiak on this team in the same time. I mean, what where we doing?

settling?

[The Raven]

I think, what's most enraging me, is that the title of this topic is so true. It took us sooooo long to have a talented QB like Joe and an accomplished OC like Kubiak on this team in the same time. I mean, what where we doing?

 

It's hard to find a good QB. Crazy to say but Billick and his coordinators might have been handcuffed by the QBs they had to work with.The OCs we had might have been at least serviceable had they had someone like Flacco to work with. 

 

Also, Cam Cameron WAS an accomplished OC. At the time we got him, he was arguably one of the best OCs in the NFL. Nobody likes to hear it after the fact but it's true. His offense set records in San Diego. He's a good OC when the execution is 100% there. I mean, rewind to 2008. We need an OC. We hire Cam Cameron. He set a record for points scored in a season. Who's gonna say that they wouldn't have been excited?

[The Mom Gene]

This might be the most depressing line ever written on this message board. How did the Ravens manage to win 2 SBs?

They did it last year by doing just what he said....  during the postseason...  lighting it up.

[The Mom Gene]

 

 

Also, Cam Cameron WAS an accomplished OC. At the time we got him, he was arguably one of the best OCs in the NFL. Nobody likes to hear it after the fact but it's true. His offense set records in San Diego. He's a good OC when the execution is 100% there. I mean, rewind to 2008. We need an OC. We hire Cam Cameron. He set a record for points scored in a season. Who's gonna say that they wouldn't have been excited?

I agree with this whole-heartedly... was Cam the OC under Shotty in SD when they went 14-2?

[The Raven]

I agree with this whole-heartedly... was Cam the OC under Shotty in SD when they went 14-2?

 

Yes ma'am

[display name]

Now if we got a real defensive coordinator we wilk be in business

I generally approve of the job that Pees has done. He's not as good as some of the guys whom we've had in the past, but he's solid. The main two problems that our defense faced in 2013 were puzzling fourth quarter meltdowns after three quarters of good play, and an offense that turned the ball over almost 30 times.

[JoeyFlex5]

It's hard to find a good QB. Crazy to say but Billick and his coordinators might have been handcuffed by the QBs they had to work with.The OCs we had might have been at least serviceable had they had someone like Flacco to work with. 

 

Also, Cam Cameron WAS an accomplished OC. At the time we got him, he was arguably one of the best OCs in the NFL. Nobody likes to hear it after the fact but it's true. His offense set records in San Diego. He's a good OC when the execution is 100% there. I mean, rewind to 2008. We need an OC. We hire Cam Cameron. He set a record for points scored in a season. Who's gonna say that they wouldn't have been excited?

and cam also did an excellent job grooming a rookie qb into a SBMVP. he made a safe offense for a inexperienced qb to play in, and it was a perfect storm of a veteran TE presence in heap, a tecnnician at WR in mason, and a deep and mauling o-line that helped all 3 of our RB's to churn out yards nd 1st downs without breaking a sweat. we made the excuse every year "he has no speedy receivers to work with" we get torrey and jacoby, and they produced more big plays than we had before, but its also the same problem, inconsistent, and just doesn't work most of the time. no adaptations in gameplan, no helping your receivers to get open with route design, and way too many verticals. eventually teams caught on and shut it down every week and cam seemed hellbent on forcing that offense down other teams throats. I really appreciate what cam did for us, but he had to go, the same way billick was a hell of a coach for us, but he was trying to force things on the team that weren't working, so HE had to go.

[Bltravens]

I think, what's most enraging me, is that the title of this topic is so true. It took us sooooo long to have a talented QB like Joe and an accomplished OC like Kubiak on this team in the same time. I mean, what where we doing?

Thought we had it in Boller.  In Billick's defense I still think he called better games in 06 than Cameron did for the vast majority of his 3.5 years.

I still would like to see Billick in an offense with a real QB.

[The Raven]

and cam also did an excellent job grooming a rookie qb into a SBMVP. he made a safe offense for a inexperienced qb to play in, and it was a perfect storm of a veteran TE presence in heap, a tecnnician at WR in mason, and a deep and mauling o-line that helped all 3 of our RB's to churn out yards nd 1st downs without breaking a sweat. we made the excuse every year "he has no speedy receivers to work with" we get torrey and jacoby, and they produced more big plays than we had before, but its also the same problem, inconsistent, and just doesn't work most of the time. no adaptations in gameplan, no helping your receivers to get open with route design, and way too many verticals. eventually teams caught on and shut it down every week and cam seemed hellbent on forcing that offense down other teams throats. I really appreciate what cam did for us, but he had to go, the same way billick was a hell of a coach for us, but he was trying to force things on the team that weren't working, so HE had to go.

 

I agree. I think Cam is best suited as an offensive assistant in the NFL, where he can teach and contribute to the scheme, but he's not the head guy. He's a good coach and a good teacher, and some his his scheme is good, but unless he learns to adjust, he'll never be an NFL OC again.

 

Thought we had it in Boller.  In Billick's defense I still think he called better games in 06 than Cameron did for the vast majority of his 3.5 years.

I still would like to see Billick in an offense with a real QB.

 

 

For obvious reasons, I don't want to see him here, but I would love to see Billick go back to the NFL as a QB coach or OC or even an assistant. I do think he can still be a good coach in the league. Get him a QB and I think he'll show how good he really is as a coach. 

[Inqui]

I think Cam was a good hire for a team with a rookie QB, but the problem was that he got kept on too long at the expense of someone who could have let Joe properly take over the offence. Midseason 2012 and we fire Cam, Jim Caldwell's a logical candidate to replace him considering what's available and what hiring an outside guy would entail. He helps us get a Lombardi with the best offensive play the franchise has ever seen. Personally I don't think keeping him on was a mistake, especially after the SB run (the fans would have crucified Ozzie if he made Caldwell walk).

 

In saying that, let's enjoy having this QB/OC combo. But I wouldn't suggest getting comfortable, because if it works then Kubiak will be gone faster than you can learn to pronounce, and then say "Eyjafjallajokull".

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Cam was a good hire for a team with a rookie QB, but the problem was that he got kept on too long at the expense of someone who could have let Joe properly take over the offence. Midseason 2012 and we fire Cam, Jim Caldwell's a logical candidate to replace him considering what's available and what hiring an outside guy would entail. He helps us get a Lombardi with the best offensive play the franchise has ever seen. Personally I don't think keeping him on was a mistake, especially after the SB run (the fans would have crucified Ozzie if he made Caldwell walk).

 

In saying that, let's enjoy having this QB/OC combo. But I wouldn't suggest getting comfortable, because if it works then Kubiak will be gone faster than you can learn to pronounce, and then say "Eyjafjallajokull".

I actually was one that didn't expect much of Caldwell as an oc. once the post SB hype died down, you gotta look at facts, and Caldwell kept the same system as cam(he just gave joe more control and utilized crossing routes slightly more in the playoffs) and has never called plays before, he is an excellent qb coach and I would've loved to keep him here as one, but I never thought that he would succeed as a full term OC

[Tru11]

dont get your hopes up cause kubiak is all about ball control by running the ball to set up the big play.

also as good as torrey smith is , he wont be a andre johnson and there is no WR in the draft that can do what he does.

it will be alot of running the ball with short passes on roll outs and off play action all to set up the bomb down field at what we can hope the right time.

i doubt we will get all pass happy throwing it all over the field like the saints, broncos or falcons lol

[PolishRifle]

dont get your hopes up cause kubiak is all about ball control by running the ball to set up the big play.

also as good as torrey smith is , he wont be a andre johnson and there is no WR in the draft that can do what he does.

it will be alot of running the ball with short passes on roll outs and off play action all to set up the bomb down field at what we can hope the right time.

i doubt we will get all pass happy throwing it all over the field like the saints, broncos or falcons lol.

Joe is a better QB than Schaub and I think, that Pitta could be a better pass catching TE than Owen Daniels. On the other hand, you are right about us not having anyone of Andre Johnsons level at the WR position, eventhough Mike Evans (if we can draft him of course) could have the potential, if we're underrating his speed. I don't think Ray Rice is as good as Foster though, even if I'm counting on Ray to have a bounce back season.

Can the Ravens be nearly as good on the OL as the Texans were, when they were AFC favorites? I doubt it!

But you've got to admire what Kubiak has done with guys like Schaub, Griese or Plummer (not exactly SB-caliber QBs). The fact that he played the QB position and that he seems very focused on building an offense around Joe...

Aaron Wilson ✔ @RavensInsider Follow

Gary Kubiak: "You build your offense around your quarterback. It starts with Joe."

...makes me hopefull, that the offense will improve as a whole and be a bit more dynamic than some of us fear.

It's all still speculation at this point. Has the new football season started yet? Can't wait to see, what happens. All those changes will make the next season incredibly exciting.

[The Mom Gene]

Yes ma'am

And that, My Dear, is why I never blamed him for our losses last year...  stood behind him, and understood that he was the "fall guy".

[funky141]

Joe is a better QB than Schaub and I think, that Pitta could be a better pass catching TE than Owen Daniels. On the other hand, you are right about us not having anyone of Andre Johnsons level at the WR position, eventhough Mike Evans (if we can draft him of course) could have the potential, if we're underrating his speed. I don't think Ray Rice is as good as Foster though, even if I'm counting on Ray to have a bounce back season.

Can the Ravens be nearly as good on the OL as the Texans were, when they were AFC favorites? I doubt it!

But you've got to admire what Kubiak has done with guys like Schaub, Griese or Plummer (not exactly SB-caliber QBs). The fact that he played the QB position and that he seems very focused on building an offense around Joe...

Aaron Wilson ✔ @RavensInsider Follow

Gary Kubiak: "You build your offense around your quarterback. It starts with Joe."

...makes me hopefull, that the offense will improve as a whole and be a bit more dynamic than some of us fear.

It's all still speculation at this point. Has the new football season started yet? Can't wait to see, what happens. All those changes will make the next season incredibly exciting.

Most other fan bases' would say the same about Flacco. Just saying, not to be rude.