Are we a 'spoiled by' or 'accustomed to winning' fan base?

[PolishRifle]

While I definitely understand your point about the changing league, there is nothing wrong with having the expectations or being accustomed to winning!  Ask the Patriots fans about that for example.

 

Yup, I saw how great that Patriots fanbase is during the game against the Saints this regular season, when they left the stadium before the game ended. Nice example.

[Bruce_Almty]

izvoodoo, on 07 Feb 2014 - 6:19 PM, said:izvoodoo, on 07 Feb 2014 - 6:19 PM, said:izvoodoo, on 07 Feb 2014 - 6:19 PM, said:

As fans we have expectations of the team.  When the team fails to meet them we become disappointed.

But the team last year was so inept offensively it was hard to watch.

Inept and just plain boring to watch. I'm really hoping Kubiac & crew can add some pizzazz to the offense. At the same time, the offense could reflect Flacco's boring personality -- that would be really sad.

[Militant X 1]

Yup, I saw how great that Patriots fanbase is during the game against the Saints this regular season, when they left the stadium before the game ended. Nice example.

Yup, and you missed the entire point of my mentioning the patriots fan base which was in context to them being accustomed to always seeing their team in the playoffs and Super Bowl hunt year after year!  Nice fail on your feeble attempt to discredit a simple example!  Smh!

 

#Mili

[PolishRifle]

Yup, and you missed the entire point of my mentioning the patriots fan base which was in context to them being accustomed to always seeing their team in the playoffs and Super Bowl hunt year after year!  Nice fail on your feeble attempt to discredit a simple example!  Smh!

 

#Mili

 

How so? Before the Patriots were winners and championship contenders, everyone was speculating if the Patriots franchise would move and now all of a "sudden" their stadiums are filled. In that context "accumstomed to success" is a nicer way of saying spoiled.

 

 

If you are a fan, you support your team no matter what and while that does sometimes include being inquisitive towards players and coaches it should be done reasonably.

Posts that suggest, that the team would've been better of without Flacco or that Harbaugh needs help from the owner to make staff decision for example are insulting and disrespectfull to people, who played major roles in the success, the so-called fans have grown "accustomed to". Whenever anyone is called out as spoiled on these messageboard by "some fans" (I'm one of them, BTW), it usually refers to those type of people.

Yes, we are a spoiled fanbase, that had it really good for a long time and some parts of the fanbase just doesn't want to get called out on this and hide behind discussions on how to define the whining about ONE 8-8 season.

 

Start Tyrod! Smh.

[jaege]

Hardly semantics cause those two words mean entirely two different things.

 

#Mili

 

Certainly by a dictionary definition, I agree, they do have two different meanings. But the way that you suggest they are being used... "Ravens fans are accustomed to the team winning so are now spoiled by the teams success" You see, in that context they are closely related. Similar meanings.

 

But does it really make any difference? I think we all agree that an 8-8 season is hardly a successful season. Its is just not a losing season. And considering how well the Ravens have done is the prior five seasons is is reasonable that fans expected something more.

[K-Dog]

Point being, if the past five seasons yielded nothing better than 4-12 an 8-8 season would be pretty exciting.

[jaege]

I love it when people start waving the flag of "real" fandom. Just ludicrous. A "real" fan does this, or a "real" fan does that. 

 

Here is my definition of a "real" fan; someone that goes to EVERY game away or home regardless of cost in money or loss of family or friends, paints their entire body purple for the ENTIRE regular season, wears nothing but NFL approved Ravens gear. Anything less is a pretender, a bandwagoner. and is certainly not a "real" fan. Is that foolish enough for everyone?

[Militant X 1]

How so? Before the Patriots were winners and championship contenders, everyone was speculating if the Patriots franchise would move and now all of a "sudden" their stadiums are filled. In that context "accumstomed to success" is a nicer way of saying spoiled.

 

 

If you are a fan, you support your team no matter what and while that does sometimes include being inquisitive towards players and coaches it should be done reasonably.

Posts that suggest, that the team would've been better of without Flacco or that Harbaugh needs help from the owner to make staff decision for example are insulting and disrespectfull to people, who played major roles in the success, the so-called fans have grown "accustomed to". Whenever anyone is called out as spoiled on these messageboard by "some fans" (I'm one of them, BTW), it usually refers to those type of people.

Yes, we are a spoiled fanbase, that had it really good for a long time and some parts of the fanbase just doesn't want to get called out on this and hide behind discussions on how to define the whining about ONE 8-8 season.

 

Start Tyrod! Smh.

 

Cool!  But that is not my original context.  That is something that you are adding into it.  But that is why everyone sees things differently.

 

Certainly by a dictionary definition, I agree, they do have two different meanings. But the way that you suggest they are being used... "Ravens fans are accustomed to the team winning so are now spoiled by the teams success" You see, in that context they are closely related. Similar meanings.

 

But does it really make any difference? I think we all agree that an 8-8 season is hardly a successful season. Its is just not a losing season. And considering how well the Ravens have done is the prior five seasons is is reasonable that fans expected something more.

 

Once again, that is not my context.  It was;  Are we a spoiled by....winning or accustomed to....winning....fan base?  In that original context it is clear, at least to me; that two very, very simple and separate things are being asked.  But, to each his own!

 

#Mili

[PolishRifle]

Certainly by a dictionary definition, I agree, they do have two different meanings. But the way that you suggest they are being used... "Ravens fans are accustomed to the team winning so are now spoiled by the teams success" You see, in that context they are closely related. Similar meanings.

 

But does it really make any difference? I think we all agree that an 8-8 season is hardly a successful season. Its is just not a losing season. And considering how well the Ravens have done is the prior five seasons is is reasonable that fans expected something more.

 

That's problem of this topic, isn't it?

 

You can be accustomed to the team winning AND be spoiled, because of it. Somehow this topic asks us, if the fanbase is one OR the other.

 

The Ravens barely missed the playoffs for the first time, after 5 consecutive playoff appearances and a SB championship. We have nothing to complain about as a fanbase.

[Militant X 1]

That's problem of this topic, isn't it?

 

You can be accustomed to the team winning AND be spoiled, because of it. Somehow this topic asks us, if the fanbase is one OR the other.

 

The Ravens barely missed the playoffs for the first time, after 5 consecutive playoff appearances and a SB championship. We have nothing to complain about as a fanbase.

There is no problem with this topic brah!  Either you feel that you are spoiled by the Ravens winning or accustomed to their winning.  Or, perhaps both!  It's a simple question!  lol!  It's quite obvious that we all don't and won't see things the same way.  Cool!

 

#Mili

[K-Dog]

I love it when people start waving the flag of "real" fandom. Just ludicrous. A "real" fan does this, or a "real" fan does that.

Here is my definition of a "real" fan; someone that goes to EVERY game away or home regardless of cost in money or loss of family or friends, paints their entire body purple for the ENTIRE regular season, wears nothing but NFL approved Ravens gear. Anything less is a pretender, a bandwagoner. and is certainly not a "real" fan. Is that foolish enough for everyone?

I call that a nut job with more money than brains but clearly thats beside the point.

[izvoodoo]

Inept and just plain boring to watch. I'm really hoping Kubiac & crew can add some pizzazz to the offense. At the same time, the offense could reflect Flacco's boring personality -- that would be really sad.

It's going to be a lot of running, play action pass.  Stuff like that.

[flynismo]

We need melt threads after we WIN games. Sounds pretty whiny and spoiled to me.

[Willbacker]

I love it when people start waving the flag of "real" fandom. Just ludicrous. A "real" fan does this, or a "real" fan does that. 

 

Here is my definition of a "real" fan; someone that goes to EVERY game away or home regardless of cost in money or loss of family or friends, paints their entire body purple for the ENTIRE regular season, wears nothing but NFL approved Ravens gear. Anything less is a pretender, a bandwagoner. and is certainly not a "real" fan. Is that foolish enough for everyone?

Great sarcasm. Lol.

[tolucaraven]

Winning always leads to being spoiled. That's true everywhere and in all sports. It's human nature to take things for granted, then get brief reminders thats what you are doing and others have it worse than you do.

[K-Dog]

We need melt threads after we WIN games. Sounds pretty whiny and spoiled to me.

Heart breakingly true.

[Guest Omerta]

 

If you are a fan, you support your team no matter what and while that does sometimes include being inquisitive towards players and coaches it should be done reasonably.

Posts that suggest, that the team would've been better of without Flacco or that Harbaugh needs help from the owner to make staff decision for example are insulting and disrespectfull to people, who played major roles in the success, the so-called fans have grown "accustomed to". Whenever anyone is called out as spoiled on these messageboard by "some fans" (I'm one of them, BTW), it usually refers to those type of people.

Yes, we are a spoiled fanbase, that had it really good for a long time and some parts of the fanbase just doesn't want to get called out on this and hide behind discussions on how to define the whining about ONE 8-8 season.

 

Start Tyrod! Smh.

 

And who are you/they to decide that ? The fact that this fanbase has a group of people that can cart blanche question someone's "fanhood" is ridiculous. The reeks of arrogance. I think it is incredible that people would really want to be like that. They think they are the authorities on what is acceptable and not acceptable for other people to say and not say while still being a good fan.  I don't like Harbaugh, never have, but just about every other aspect of this team I am in love with. So I don't like Harbaugh and no someone gets to say that I am not a good or decent fan.

 

The only thing more insufferable than a whiner is a self-proclaimed, arrogant group of elitist know-it-alls who think they get to tell other fans how they should react to their team.

 

We are not the patriots, Jets, Dallas, SeaHawks, or 9ers fans, why this is how we treat each other is beyond me.

[jimmypowder]

Damn right we are spoiled .Just thank God we are not the insufferable 49er fans.

[jaege]

Cool!  But that is not my original context.  That is something that you are adding into it.  But that is why everyone sees things differently.

 

 

Once again, that is not my context.  It was;  Are we a spoiled by....winning or accustomed to....winning....fan base?  In that original context it is clear, at least to me; that two very, very simple and separate things are being asked.  But, to each his own!

 

#Mili

 

 

 

I stand corrected. Yes, I see what you are saying now. In your context they are very different. Of course couldn't we be both?

[jaege]

I call that a nut job with more money than brains but clearly thats beside the point.

 

 

But isn't my definition just as foolish as tall the others who go about tossing THE one and only definition of what it is to be a fan? As if they have been given some secret bit of data that no one else is privy to? A fan is NOT someone who never complains and it is someone who never complains. It is not someone who goes to every game and it is someone who goes to every game.

 

A fan is someone who supports their team of choice in their own way, be it over the top and overblown or nothing more than reading the scores on Monday morning.

[jaege]

And who are you/they to decide that ? The fact that this fanbase has a group of people that can cart blanche question someone's "fanhood" is ridiculous. The reeks of arrogance. I think it is incredible that people would really want to be like that. They think they are the authorities on what is acceptable and not acceptable for other people to say and not say while still being a good fan.  I don't like Harbaugh, never have, but just about every other aspect of this team I am in love with. So I don't like Harbaugh and no someone gets to say that I am not a good or decent fan.

 

The only thing more insufferable than a whiner is a self-proclaimed, arrogant group of elitist know-it-alls who think they get to tell other fans how they should react to their team.

 

We are not the patriots, Jets, Dallas, SeaHawks, or 9ers fans, why this is how we treat each other is beyond me.

   

 

Nail head, meet hammer. You have expressed my own view on this matter very well .I too have a pet peeve regarding the arrogant  "people*" who feel that they can define what a fan is.

 

 

*(I am being politically correct so the PC police do not come down on me)

[redrum52]

We need melt threads after we WIN games. Sounds pretty whiny and spoiled to me.

Even if you do something well, you never try to acknowledge what you could've done better?  Coaches aren't usually just satisfied with wins.  You may think it doesn't matter, but how you win does make a difference.

 

 

And who are you/they to decide that ? The fact that this fanbase has a group of people that can cart blanche question someone's "fanhood" is ridiculous. The reeks of arrogance. I think it is incredible that people would really want to be like that. They think they are the authorities on what is acceptable and not acceptable for other people to say and not say while still being a good fan.  I don't like Harbaugh, never have, but just about every other aspect of this team I am in love with. So I don't like Harbaugh and no someone gets to say that I am not a good or decent fan.

 

The only thing more insufferable than a whiner is a self-proclaimed, arrogant group of elitist know-it-alls who think they get to tell other fans how they should react to their team.

 

We are not the patriots, Jets, Dallas, SeaHawks, or 9ers fans, why this is how we treat each other is beyond me.

 

It's like we should just accept whatever coaches or players tell us.  If that's the case, Boller would still be QB and Billick would still be the smartest one in the room.

 

 

Also, I think it's a little bit of both.  Sometimes it's hard to draw the line.  The way we lost games this season is what was disappointing, not really the season it self.  If you see you're team fighting and can tell they're giving it their all, I can usually accept that loss.  There were times when this team looked like it clocked out though.  The offense was terrible to watch and is the reason they weren't able to make the post season.  If you're going to be bad, at least don't give the ball away.  Poor coaching decisions throughout, team lacked physicality and just seemed to play without passion for most of the season.

[K-Dog]

But isn't my definition just as foolish as tall the others who go about tossing THE one and only definition of what it is to be a fan? As if they have been given some secret bit of data that no one else is privy to? A fan is NOT someone who never complains and it is someone who never complains. It is not someone who goes to every game and it is someone who goes to every game.

 

A fan is someone who supports their team of choice in their own way, be it over the top and overblown or nothing more than reading the scores on Monday morning.

 

Hence my saying "clearly that is beside the point "  It was observational humor.

[Militant X 1]

I stand corrected. Yes, I see what you are saying now. In your context they are very different. Of course couldn't we be both?

 

Appreciate it and no problem jaege.  I never said that it couldn't be both.  To be honest, the question is personal.  The ONLY person that can say whether or not I am spoiled or accustomed to the Ravens winning is me!  No one Ravens fan can speak for the entire fan base concerning how they (individual) view them selves as a fan.  Now, if you or any other posters choose to say that you are both then so be it!  But it is foolish to try and project that mentality on all Ravens fans.  And that was the point of the thread!

 

#Mili

[Guest RBates]

And who are you/they to decide that ? The fact that this fanbase has a group of people that can cart blanche question someone's "fanhood" is ridiculous. The reeks of arrogance. I think it is incredible that people would really want to be like that. They think they are the authorities on what is acceptable and not acceptable for other people to say and not say while still being a good fan.  I don't like Harbaugh, never have, but just about every other aspect of this team I am in love with. So I don't like Harbaugh and no someone gets to say that I am not a good or decent fan.

 

The only thing more insufferable than a whiner is a self-proclaimed, arrogant group of elitist know-it-alls who think they get to tell other fans how they should react to their team.

 

We are not the patriots, Jets, Dallas, SeaHawks, or 9ers fans, why this is how we treat each other is beyond me.

Wow! Great post.  I don't like Harbaugh either.  This is a problem with a select few fans on the forums.

 

Getting back on topic;

We are not spoiled by winning, we are spoiled by competing.  We don't take winning for granted. We just expect to compete.

Simple and plain. 

[Bltravens]

Even if you do something well, you never try to acknowledge what you could've done better?  Coaches aren't usually just satisfied with wins.  You may think it doesn't matter, but how you win does make a difference.

 

You describe constructive criticism.  Those threads were designed, this year I might add, when the fan base on this board grew and became erratic behaviourally at best, to curb people's complaining needs.  Very rarely in those threads was any semblance of constructive ideals present.

[Militant X 1]

Wow! Great post.  I don't like Harbaugh either.  This is a problem with a select few fans on the forums.

 

Getting back on topic;

We are not spoiled by winning, we are spoiled by competing.  We don't take winning for granted. We just expect to compete.

Simple and plain. 

 

I like this RBates.

 

#Mili