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Mike Preston saga - him versus PR guys?

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Yea he is not going to change his tune. I don't know if he lied, maybe some people told him things that were not true, or he is inferring some things that maybe were not really said. I know a lot of people on 105.7 were saying this same thing, that there was "no question" harbs was not involved in this hiring of Kubiak. Hell I heard a commercial for one of The Fan's radio shows, in which they were replaying how there was no way Harbs was involved in this and the organization stepped in, so its not just Preston. 

 

None of us know what happened behind closed doors, but Byrne's story makes complete sense and seems like how I would see the hiring process playing out. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that Kubiak was still hopping to get a head coach gig. We were not going to wait around and see if he decided to be an offensive coordinator, so we had our field narrowed down. Its not like we were rushing to make a decision, we probably were waiting for all the head coach jobs to fill before making the decision and when they did, there was Kubiak.

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Yea he is not going to change his tune. I don't know if he lied, maybe some people told him things that were not true, or he is inferring some things that maybe were not really said. I know a lot of people on 105.7 were saying this same thing, that there was "no question" harbs was not involved in this hiring of Kubiak. Hell I heard a commercial for one of The Fan's radio shows, in which they were replaying how there was no way Harbs was involved in this and the organization stepped in, so its not just Preston. 

 

None of us know what happened behind closed doors, but Byrne's story makes complete sense and seems like how I would see the hiring process playing out. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that Kubiak was still hopping to get a head coach gig. We were not going to wait around and see if he decided to be an offensive coordinator, so we had our field narrowed down. Its not like we were rushing to make a decision, we probably were waiting for all the head coach jobs to fill before making the decision and when they did, there was Kubiak.

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"A friend of mine in the organization" is Preston's source. Just laughable.

Him and Ken Wineman needs to get their butt out of MD.

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"A friend of mine in the organization" is Preston's source. Just laughable.

Him and Ken Wineman needs to get their butt out of MD.

LOL what's so bad about Weinman? I have never really heard anything that ridiculous out of him. I personally like both he and Preston, Preston is just very confidently wrong on a lot of occasions. Although I would say his football analysis is pretty decent at times. He's kind of like a Baltimore National Enquirer writer. He will get people stirring, and usually wrong, but can be right now and then. 

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My thing about the preston story is Kubiak wasn't attached or rumored for any OC position.  So it makes sense Harbaugh didn't think he was available.

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My thing about the preston story is Kubiak wasn't attached or rumored for any OC position.  So it makes sense Harbaugh didn't think he was available.

 

I agree that whats done is done, but in the press conference Harbs mentioned that they met at the beginning of the search and thought things wouldn't work well.

 

I feel like it was because Kubiak wanted to bring over his boys and Harbs wasn't ready to give in to that. Either way our offense is going to destroy Pittsburgh.

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The true story is probably in between, but given Preston's track record, the organization's track record, and Kevin Byrne's awesomeness, I'm very inclined to believe that the true story is closer to what the PR guys are saying. It just matches up better with the timeline. 

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In the words of Rhett Butler, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a hoot." The story I heard was that Harbs called the Texans' OC, Rick Dennison, to ask him for a reference on Kyle Shanahan and Dennison let it be known that Kubiak was interested in the position. The selection of Kubiak over Shanahan boiled down to hiring the teacher versus the student. It sounds reasonable to me. Having said that, I was wondering why Kubiak was not in the discussion all along. Once Shanahan had two interviews and wasn't offered the job, it made me think that someone else was in the mix. In the final analysis, it doesn't matter. Even if Mike Preston's story is true, who really cares? We got the best man for the job! The Cleveland games will certainly take on a lot more meaning this year.  

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I find it weird. Does the guy want to hate on Harbaugh, or the Ravens? And if so why, if he is a writer in Baltimore or maybe a 'fan'. 

 

Kubiak was by far the biggest name on the market available for OC, and many thought he'd only take a HC job. He's got a stacked resume as an OC and has done it with many different players. We're lucky to have been able to lure the guy to Baltimore. And Harbaugh was 'forced' to do this? Hah, ridiculous. 

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The true story is probably in between, but given Preston's track record, the organization's track record, and Kevin Byrne's awesomeness, I'm very inclined to believe that the true story is closer to what the PR guys are saying. It just matches up better with the timeline.

if I was to say my opinion.

Harbs wanted our wr coach. Bisciotti said, suggested not to rush and look elsewhere first. This preston has taken to mean bisciotti said no, and overruled, whereas in reality it was a suggestion. Harbs looked elsewhere, and they came down to kyle and our wr coach. Harbs prob still wanted our wr coach bisciotti wanted kyle.

Harbs then rings Dennison. Here, i dont believe it was to ask about kyle and he says well kubes wants a job. I think thats bull. I dono why or how that phone call happened but in the end they got it.

I firmly believe harbs wanted hostler, bisciotti and ozzie suggested due diligence on others available and preston has took this to be a no your not getting ur guy ur hiring who we want. When its really just a slow down we aren't in a hurry, look at every available person then pick from there

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Ultimately who cares - there was similar speculation after 2011 when Cam was retained and Jim was hired, that Steve wanted to make a change then, but compromised to keep Cam if they got Joe an individual position coach.  The same thing was said after the game before Cam was fired, that Steve was ready to fire him then and there, but Harbs interceded for one more week. We really don't know what's true or what's not.  What is true is that Preston has been known to print less than flattering articles about the Ravens from the time he first got here.  It goes back to the Billick days, and it might even go back further but I really don't remember.  What I do know is that year in and year out, regardless of what we do, Preston writes that he's never sold on the Ravens, and how much of that is truth vs. something to drum up readership is anyone's guess.  But again, who cares why changes were made - I guarantee this, if they get the kinds of results I'm expecting, nobody in the organization is going to care why they happened.

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Im inclined to believe Harbaugh wanted Hostler in some capacity.  But there is no denying everyone thought Kubiak was off the market for an OC position.

Hopefully when it became known that Kubiak would be interested in Baltimore's OC spot Harbaugh made the move.

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if I was to say my opinion.

Harbs wanted our wr coach. Bisciotti said, suggested not to rush and look elsewhere first. This preston has taken to mean bisciotti said no, and overruled, whereas in reality it was a suggestion. Harbs looked elsewhere, and they came down to kyle and our wr coach. Harbs prob still wanted our wr coach bisciotti wanted kyle.

Harbs then rings Dennison. Here, i dont believe it was to ask about kyle and he says well kubes wants a job. I think thats bull. I dono why or how that phone call happened but in the end they got it.

I firmly believe harbs wanted hostler, bisciotti and ozzie suggested due diligence on others available and preston has took this to be a no your not getting ur guy ur hiring who we want. When its really just a slow down we aren't in a hurry, look at every available person then pick from there

This is pretty much how I see it too.

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I believe Preston's side to be closer to the truth. He's been disparaged by the club's paid writers, coaches and fan base on numerous occasions only to come out vindicated after the dust settled. 

 

It's in the clubs best interest to lie to protect Harbaugh from being perceived as a neutered lame duck by some on the team. What's in it for Preston to lie?  It only makes his job and good standing in dealing with the team more difficult.

 

While I appreciate the informative and sometimes entertaining articles I take anything the shills on this site write with a grain of salt.  It's smart business acumen to understand where the bread is buttered.

 

I enjoy the Byrne identify but understand much of it is PR oriented slanting of the actual facts.

 

The truth will surface.

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Does anyone seriously think Harbaugh would select Hostler over Kubiak? The likely scenario is that Kubiak was waiting to see if he would land a HC job before thinking about an OC position and when he became available he was the obvious choice.

 

LMAO at all of the perceived drama!

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Being from Baltimore this isn't anything new to me. The Ravens PR staff did the samething ( panick mode )for Brian when Mike reported he had lost the team. Btw....If you have no idea who Mike Preston is you must be a new Ravens fan or jump on the bandwagon when we drafted Flacco & Rice.....

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Does anyone seriously think Harbaugh would select Hostler over Kubiak? The likely scenario is that Kubiak was waiting to see if he would land a HC job before thinking about an OC position and when he became available he was the obvious choice.

LMAO at all of the perceived drama!

initally, yes. I firmly believe harbs would have appointed hostler without even looking to the market. Much like Jim last year. And this is where I think bisciotti stepped in and said its a marathon not a sprint. Look at the market.

That he did and he ended up liking what he heard from kubes and thus picked him

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initally, yes. I firmly believe harbs would have appointed hostler without even looking to the market. Much like Jim last year. And this is where I think bisciotti stepped in and said its a marathon not a sprint. Look at the market.

That he did and he ended up liking what he heard from kubes and thus picked him

This is likely exactly what happened.  Harbaugh, wanting to show it didn't matter to him who was on the market, was going to be loyal to the guys he had, would have selected Hostler the day after Caldwell left.

Bisciotti likely said why make a rash decision, no one is going to take Hostler from the staff, so just wait. See what happens.

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I think Preston was right on.
This wasnt Harbs best decision making year, paying D Reed then cutting him, letting Boldin, Pollard and even Rainey go after losing R.Lewis and Ed Reed, our leadership, which I feel was the dumbest thing we did since getting rid of Dilfer after our last SB.

I hate to say it, but ego and stubbornness from the coaching staff over the years, has really hurt us.
I look at Cam Cameron and all he had to do was start using the middle of the field in slants and crosses, and that would have made our Offense a top 10 offense, To this day I still havent heard the reason why he hardly ever did.

And what pissed me off the most about that, was that Harbaugh kept letting him do the same darn predictable out patterns, and passing plays. And if Steve didnt step in, it would still be happening. Then we can Cam, start using the middle of the field and bam, win the sb! Why couldnt Harbs see that that nneded to be done? Why as HC couldnt he get some good advice from somebody and have Cam add those passing plays?? I mean we had complaint thread after complaint thread for the longest time....you all remember that, it was like pulling teeth. Somebody needed to beat him over the head!!! Lol

But that didnt last as Harbs had to go and mess with system and bring in Castillo. Gosh dont get me started....I almost think Harbaugh has blinders on to what is going on here successfully versus what was unsuccessful.
So Steve had to step in again with Kubes, and to save face, and for some unknown reason he was able to keep Castillo as a concession. Then our PR guys had to spin this new situation in a different direction so Harbs doesnt look like a complete idiot, and I dont blame them for doing it. Bottom line, I am seriously starting to doubt Harbaughs ability to make correct personnel decisions that are best for the Team.

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I think Preston was right on.

This wasnt Harbs best decision making year, paying D Reed then cutting him, letting Boldin, Pollard and even Rainey go after losing R.Lewis and Ed Reed, our leadership, which I feel was the dumbest thing we did since getting rid of Dilfer after our last SB.

I hate to say it, but ego and stubbornness from the coaching staff over the years, has really hurt us.

I look at Cam Cameron and all he had to do was start using the middle of the field in slants and crosses, and that would have made our Offense a top 10 offense, To this day I still havent heard the reason why he hardly ever did.

And what pissed me off the most about that, was that Harbaugh kept letting him do the same darn predictable out patterns, and passing plays. And if Steve didnt step in, it would still be happening. Then we can Cam, start using the middle of the field and bam, win the sb! Why couldnt Harbs see that that nneded to be done? Why as HC couldnt he get some good advice from somebody and have Cam add those passing plays?? I mean we had complaint thread after complaint thread for the longest time....you all remember that, it was like pulling teeth. Somebody needed to beat him over the head!!! Lol

But that didnt last as Harbs had to go and mess with system and bring in Castillo. Gosh dont get me started....I almost think Harbaugh has blinders on to what is going on here successfully versus what was unsuccessful.

So Steve had to step in again with Kubes, and to save face, and for some unknown reason he was able to keep Castillo as a concession. Then our PR guys had to spin this new situation in a different direction so Harbs doesnt look like a complete idiot, and I dont blame them for doing it. Bottom line, I am seriously starting to doubt Harbaughs ability to make correct personnel decisions that are best for the Team.

Do you really not understand the difference between the HC and the GM?

Actually, after reading the text of your post probably not

What a joke.

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Look GF, you are the biggest Harbapologist here. I never counter you when you are wrong, I just wait for the consessions at the seasons end, like when from Day 1 in the beginning of the season you slammed me and others for pointing out the Boldin Pollard mistake.

Think what you want, free country

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Look GF, you are the biggest Harbapologist here. I never counter you when you are wrong, I just wait for the consessions at the seasons end, like when from Day 1 in the beginning of the season you slammed me and others for pointing out the Boldin Pollard mistake.

Think what you want, free country

Do I need to spell it out for you? Ozzie makes personnel decisions. That's the GM's job.

Choosing the staff? Now that's the HC's job.

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Does anyone seriously think Harbaugh would select Hostler over Kubiak? The likely scenario is that Kubiak was waiting to see if he would land a HC job before thinking about an OC position and when he became available he was the obvious choice.

LMAO at all of the perceived drama!

yes he would he still has Castillo as our oline coach and andy moller our superbowl winning oline coach is gone it also took Steve to tell john to fire cam ? So im sure its not a stretch to believe that john wanted hostler even by him being a Canadian with a sorry resume
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I think Preston was right on.

This wasnt Harbs best decision making year, paying D Reed then cutting him, letting Boldin, Pollard and even Rainey go after losing R.Lewis and Ed Reed, our leadership, which I feel was the dumbest thing we did since getting rid of Dilfer after our last SB.

I hate to say it, but ego and stubbornness from the coaching staff over the years, has really hurt us.

I look at Cam Cameron and all he had to do was start using the middle of the field in slants and crosses, and that would have made our Offense a top 10 offense, To this day I still havent heard the reason why he hardly ever did.

And what pissed me off the most about that, was that Harbaugh kept letting him do the same darn predictable out patterns, and passing plays. And if Steve didnt step in, it would still be happening. Then we can Cam, start using the middle of the field and bam, win the sb! Why couldnt Harbs see that that nneded to be done? Why as HC couldnt he get some good advice from somebody and have Cam add those passing plays?? I mean we had complaint thread after complaint thread for the longest time....you all remember that, it was like pulling teeth. Somebody needed to beat him over the head!!! Lol

But that didnt last as Harbs had to go and mess with system and bring in Castillo. Gosh dont get me started....I almost think Harbaugh has blinders on to what is going on here successfully versus what was unsuccessful.

So Steve had to step in again with Kubes, and to save face, and for some unknown reason he was able to keep Castillo as a concession. Then our PR guys had to spin this new situation in a different direction so Harbs doesnt look like a complete idiot, and I dont blame them for doing it. Bottom line, I am seriously starting to doubt Harbaughs ability to make correct personnel decisions that are best for the Team.

I second this

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