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#1 Ravens1991

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:22 PM

With it looking like Arthur Jones is on the way out do you guys think McPhee knees can handle him gaining the weight and taking Jones spot in the nickel package? he played extremely well his rookie year in that role then seemed to have gained 2 much weight and got hurt. Now he seemed to be out of position at 34 olb.
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#2 rmw10

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:28 PM

They moved him out of the DL spot because he was too small to consistently handle the beating in the trenches, and thus, kept getting hurt.  He actually looked pretty good in very limited pass rushing attempts last year.  I'd be open to moving him back to the DL, but he's kind of tweener type of guy that's probably too big for OLB but too small to play consistently in the trenches.


Edited by rmw10, 04 February 2014 - 02:28 PM.

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#3 izvoodoo

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:29 PM

With it looking like Arthur Jones is on the way out do you guys think McPhee knees can handle him gaining the weight and taking Jones spot in the nickel package? he played extremely well his rookie year in that role then seemed to have gained 2 much weight and got hurt. Now he seemed to be out of position at 34 olb.

McPhee really isn't a good fit for a 3-4 set.  He's really a down 4-3 DL.  If he gains too much he lacks quickness to be effective.

Or maybe the book is just out on him.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:43 PM

Convert Pernell McPhee back to DE and let him do his thing.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:49 PM

They changed his role so many times to fill him in as depth.   Who knows what he'll do now.   I lost track of him after his 1st year.   


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:29 PM

He doesn't really have a role in the 3-4. He's best suited as a 4-3 3-tech or strong side end. I'd like to keep him in the 270-280 range and switch to a 4-3, but that's probably not going to happen, even if it does fit our guys better...


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:32 PM

https://www.profootb...ltimore-ravens/


I know its PPF but this article confirms the eyeball test from McPhee rookie year. I hope we bulk him up and let him play Arthur Jones role in nickel formations. It can be like the nascar package Spags had back in New York.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:38 PM

https://www.profootb...ltimore-ravens/


I know its PPF but this article confirms the eyeball test from McPhee rookie year. I hope we bulk him up and let him play Arthur Jones role in nickel formations. It can be like the nascar package Spags had back in New York.

 

I don't think you can bulk him up too much more than what he was his rookie year.  If he gets that big, it's likely that he loses a lot of what made him good in his rookie year.  He's in between.  I don't know where they plan to play him, but he won't be small enough for a 3-4 OLB or big enough for a 3-4 DE.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:40 PM

Quite frankly, I am pretty sick and tired of always forcing our defensive players to play to the scheme rather than building a scheme around them. By that, I mean forcing players to switch positions year after year after year. That wastes their talent, or keeps them from developing into what they could be. Just look at Paul Kruger (yes, I know he didn't do so hot this past year in Cleveland, but still). The guy could not develop with always being forced to play different positions. When they finally allowed him to stay at OLB, he developed into a nice pass rusher for us.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:07 PM

I'd like to see him as a rotational player with KLM and/or DeAngelo Tyson


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:36 PM

So we are supposed to build a defense around McPhee?  How about we use him in the four man front on passing downs like we did in his rookie season? 


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:46 PM

He's listed at the same weight that he has always been so I don't think he needs to bulk back up.He just needs to be moved back to the line and to get more snaps.He also needs to just flat out play better when he's on the field.I'm starting to think that hes just not as good as we all thought he would be after the way he played in his rookie year.I'm rooting for him to blow up though.Hes one of my favorite players on the defense.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:48 PM

He's listed at the same weight that he has always been so I don't think he needs to bulk back up.He just needs to be moved back to the line and to get more snaps.He also needs to just flat out play better when he's on the field.I'm starting to think that hes just not as good as we all thought he would be after the way he played in his rookie year.I'm rooting for him to blow up though.Hes one of my favorite players on the defense.


It was reported that he was 260-265 in camp last year. I guess it was never updated.
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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:15 PM

Pernell McPhee should be the starting DE over Chris Canty. Canty didn't really contribute much last year. Since we released Spears and relied more on Canty our run D took a big hit. I believe McPhee could fix that.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 09:52 PM

I think this team basically stunted McPhee's growth much like Kruger with this position change.
McPhee was fine at DE he just had nagging injuries for one season. Last year he looked good in spurts when he actually got to play.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:32 AM

Personally, I prefer him at linebacker.

If we lose Suggs this year, I could see Pernell having a much bigger role next year.

He was great in 2011 playing on the DL, but I'm not certain where he'd fit in to the rotation, with the likes of Canty, Ngata, Williams, Tyson, Lewis-Moore and probably another draft pick or free agent signing.

He impressed me a lot in his limited opportunities last year - his instincts are fantastic. Should we lose Sizzle, we'd be left with Dumervil, Upshaw and Simon as our outside linebackers. Dumervil is a great pass rusher, Upshaw is much stronger against the run, and Simon hasn't been given a chance on defense yet, so the jury is out on him. I'd expect us to add another pass rusher to the group, but McPhee could be in for a real break out season next year if he earns the starting role.
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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:35 AM

I don't think you can bulk him up too much more than what he was his rookie year.  If he gets that big, it's likely that he loses a lot of what made him good in his rookie year.  He's in between.  I don't know where they plan to play him, but he won't be small enough for a 3-4 OLB or big enough for a 3-4 DE.

McPhee's a 4-3 player.  Period


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