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Peyton Manning's offensive line

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As evidenced in this Super Bowl - Peyton Manning could not get his act together - at all!

 

Where was his O line? He is usually a maniac running back and forth and all that yelling.

OF course the rest of the team ( defense especially ) didn't show up either, but after all the acclaim and media saying how great Peyton is, Eli still has more SB rings.

Wilson had several plays where he had all day to throw.

 

O line is essential.

Let's get the Ravens a great one and let Flacco do what he has the ability to do... WIN!!!

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He didn't appear to be as vocal as usual, was the noise a problem?  I heard Seahawks fans might have outnumbered Broncos fans more than we outnumbered the 49ers fans last year.

 

Still, his OL has been overrated for most of the year, they haven't been good since Clady got hurt.  Really, Manning has to do all of those short routes and hope his receivers get big yardage from those because he doesn't have a lot of time in pass protection.  I do wonder if it would have been a different game and a different season if Ryan Clady didn't get hurt.  You could see how easily the Broncos OL was dominated last night though, Franklin, Vasquez, and Ramirez were all quite bad last night.  But I sort of expected that, the Seahawks have a lot of depth and talent along the defensive line.

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My point is that the O line is essential to winning games.

Gotta let the QB direct the game, no matter how fast they get the ball off.

We need to take notes.

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Flacco haters take note; The broncs failure is a prime example that ANY QB no matter who they are, needs the support of their team mates to succeed, most importantly the O line.

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Wanted to get this in before this get's shut down...........

 

Flacco haters take note; The broncs failure is a prime example that ANY QB no matter who they are, needs the support of their team mates to succeed, most importantly the O line.

They should have seen that after the 2007 Super Bowl, when the THEN best statistical offense of all time was straight mugged by 4 down lineman and limited to 14 points.

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Wanted to get this in before this get's shut down...........

Flacco haters take note; The broncs failure is a prime example that ANY QB no matter who they are, needs the support of their team mates to succeed, most importantly the O line.

Aside from the o line, which wasn't as bad as people will make it, do you think Manning actually played a good game regardless? He was exposed. His lack of arm strength hindered the team. It looked like the Seahawks said we won't let you beat us underneath or with the bubble screens, and if you can beat us deep try it. He played a bad game and honestly, the Broncos didn't seem prepared for the noise.

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They should have seen that after the 2007 Super Bowl, when the THEN best statistical offense of all time was straight mugged by 4 down lineman and limited to 14 points.

Though he was slowed down, Brady didn't hurt his team with his play.

It won't be shut down, but moves because it doesn't have to do with the Ravens.

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Though he was slowed down, Brady didn't hurt his team with his play.

It won't be shut down, but moves because it doesn't have to do with the Ravens.

 

Someone pointed out today that the Pats were up when Brady left the field in his losses.  And those were quality, close games.

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Aside from the o line, which wasn't as bad as people will make it, do you think Manning actually played a good game regardless? He was exposed. His lack of arm strength hindered the team. It looked like the Seahawks said we won't let you beat us underneath or with the bubble screens, and if you can beat us deep try it. He played a bad game and honestly, the Broncos didn't seem prepared for the noise.

that's exactly what I saw last night too, and I think we should look at the seahawks philosophy on defense more than we should look at the o-line, because our o-line is a personnel issue and either we find the players we need or we end up with another bad o-line, simple as that. but if you look at how dean pees calls his plays, it almost seems as if hes the exact opposite and says "you wont beat us with big plays" like hes fine with teams dink and dunking down the field until theyre in the red zone, and I say to hell with that, you let jimmy be a press-man shutdown corner, let webb shut down the slot, and take away the small ball, force them to send folks deep and take shots, which leads to pressure/sacks/picks etc.

 

seattle had a genius and ballsy defensive gameplan, and I hope dean pees was taking notes because the ravens could do the same thing

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Though he was slowed down, Brady didn't hurt his team with his play.

It won't be shut down, but moves because it doesn't have to do with the Ravens.

No but with Randy Moss still in his prime, Welker and Stallworth he should have put up more than 14 against a secondary with guys you can't name.

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No but with Randy Moss still in his prime, Welker and Stallworth he should have put up more than 14 against a secondary with guys you can't name.

Questionable to say if Moss was in his prime and Stallworth wasn't exactly a top flight receiver either.  When Brady left the field his team was up.  It took one of the greatest plays in SB history, a dropped pick from Samuel and one of the dumbest defensive plays (leaving Hobbs 1-1 with Plax) for the Giants to win.  And say what you want, but go back and watch those games.  The entire Giants defense stepped up during that run.  Webster played some of the best ball of his career and Ross did a decent job as well.

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Wanted to get this in before this get's shut down...........

 

Flacco haters take note; The broncs failure is a prime example that ANY QB no matter who they are, needs the support of their team mates to succeed, most importantly the O line.

well said . I would only add that I think we have some options already on the roster and I think the fo knows we need to fix it.  Flacco won games despite having swiss cheese as an offensive line most people forget that or refuse to see it .

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Questionable to say if Moss was in his prime and Stallworth wasn't exactly a top flight receiver either.  When Brady left the field his team was up.  It took one of the greatest plays in SB history, a dropped pick from Samuel and one of the dumbest defensive plays (leaving Hobbs 1-1 with Plax) for the Giants to win.  And say what you want, but go back and watch those games.  The entire Giants defense stepped up during that run.  Webster played some of the best ball of his career and Ross did a decent job as well.

 

When you set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season, that probably means you're in your prime.  I agree with your overall assessment though.  Talent wise, they weren't as stacked as people would lead you to believe.  And let's not forget the helmet catch from David Tyree.  Luck played a MAJOR factor in that Super Bowl, and the Giants had a good defense.  I don't think you can pin 2007 on Brady.

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When you set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season, that probably means you're in your prime.  I agree with your overall assessment though.  Talent wise, they weren't as stacked as people would lead you to believe.  And let's not forget the helmet catch from David Tyree.  Luck played a MAJOR factor in that Super Bowl, and the Giants had a good defense.  I don't think you can pin 2007 on Brady.

I think the system and the drive that team had was a major reason for the numbers.  Brady and Belicheck were on a mission to humiliate teams cause of spy gate.  They essentially would stomp you even when you were already in the fetal position bloody.  Moss came into the league scoring 17 tds as a rookie, so I'm not sure you can really say that the year he was there was his prime.

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When you set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season, that probably means you're in your prime.  I agree with your overall assessment though.  Talent wise, they weren't as stacked as people would lead you to believe.  And let's not forget the helmet catch from David Tyree.  Luck played a MAJOR factor in that Super Bowl, and the Giants had a good defense.  I don't think you can pin 2007 on Brady.

Well let's not forget the giants beat green bay in green bay, dallas in dallas and tampa bay en route to a superbowl win so they had underdog momentum for a while and they almost ruined our regular season unbeaten record in week 17. Also we had a lot of old guys on defense in particular and we slowed int he way we we're beating opponents in the 2nd half of the season. No team was gonna beat new york that post season, not pittsburgh, not baltimore not indy no one. 

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As evidenced in this Super Bowl - Peyton Manning could not get his act together - at all!

 

Where was his O line? He is usually a maniac running back and forth and all that yelling.

OF course the rest of the team ( defense especially ) didn't show up either, but after all the acclaim and media saying how great Peyton is, Eli still has more SB rings.

Wilson had several plays where he had all day to throw.

 

O line is essential.

Let's get the Ravens a great one and let Flacco do what he has the ability to do... WIN!!!

Well honestly the Broncos had a pretty poor o-line talent wise throughout the year mainly due to the fact that they lost all pro LT Ryan Clady for the season.After they lost Clady there was a lot of speculation that Manning would get beat up and rattled for the rest of the season. Still Peyton wasnt sacked very much and their offense remained effective. I think what made Peyton not get rattled so much throughout the season...and not even TOUCHED at all in the playoffs was his receiving corps that he had. It takes him about 2 seconds to find an open receiver be it Julius or Damariyus Thomas, Welker, Decker, Caldwell, Moreno, Ball Tamme etc. And for that reason by the time you would get at him he would already find an open man. Seattle knew the Broncos o-line wasnt that great which is why they hardly brought the blitz and instead simply let their d-line do the work and they still got after Manning quite a bit They only brought the blitz 6 times of the 50 Manning drop backs, and it was because they knew they could cover the Broncos receivers and for the most part they did.

 

What I took away from this was that if you have great receivers it can really really help out your o-line...but also even the great QBs like Peyton Manning cant make everyone on offense better like so many people think. So to say adding a better o-line and receivers for Joe Flacco will make him better is very safe to say and evident.

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Questionable to say if Moss was in his prime and Stallworth wasn't exactly a top flight receiver either.  When Brady left the field his team was up.  It took one of the greatest plays in SB history, a dropped pick from Samuel and one of the dumbest defensive plays (leaving Hobbs 1-1 with Plax) for the Giants to win.  And say what you want, but go back and watch those games.  The entire Giants defense stepped up during that run.  Webster played some of the best ball of his career and Ross did a decent job as well.

Moss set a record for individual TDs that year...he may have been at the end of his prime, but he was still running past 2 and 3 guys at a time.  He was not old that year.

 

They played their best ball because the Giants front 4 with Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiora were wrecking Olines and ruining gameplans.  

Brady was up ya, after scoring a measly 14 points with the greatest offense of all time.  Thats not exactly getting it done.  Brady laughed in his presser when told Plexiglass thought they could only score 14 on the Giants defense.

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Wanted to get this in before this get's shut down...........

Flacco haters take note; The broncs failure is a prime example that ANY QB no matter who they are, needs the support of their team mates to succeed, most importantly the O line.

Can you imagine the comments these people would make if Flacco was as inaccurate as Manning was on all those passes that traveled more than ten yards???

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I think the system and the drive that team had was a major reason for the numbers. Brady and Belicheck were on a mission to humiliate teams cause of spy gate. They essentially would stomp you even when you were already in the fetal position bloody. Moss came into the league scoring 17 tds as a rookie, so I'm not sure you can really say that the year he was there was his prime.

Moss set the record for WR TD that year, and followed it up with 13 more the following year. I think it's safe to say he was in his prime

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When you set the NFL record for touchdown receptions in a single season, that probably means you're in your prime.  I agree with your overall assessment though.  Talent wise, they weren't as stacked as people would lead you to believe.  And let's not forget the helmet catch from David Tyree.  Luck played a MAJOR factor in that Super Bowl, and the Giants had a good defense.  I don't think you can pin 2007 on Brady.

 

I'm not saying he wasn't good, my point on him not being in his prime is that he was probably closer to the end than people think.  I might be wrong, but it's not that serious to me.

Moss set a record for individual TDs that year...he may have been at the end of his prime, but he was still running past 2 and 3 guys at a time.  He was not old that year.

 

They played their best ball because the Giants front 4 with Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiora were wrecking Olines and ruining gameplans.  

Brady was up ya, after scoring a measly 14 points with the greatest offense of all time.  Thats not exactly getting it done.  Brady laughed in his presser when told Plexiglass thought they could only score 14 on the Giants defense.

The end of the prime thing was the point I was trying to make.  I think those wasted years prior, if he had a qb of Bradys caliber, who probably could've out done his own record.  

 

My main point for the original Peyton comment was Brady didn't hinder his team with his performance and Brady was still pressured all game.  

 

Nothing I can say about that last part.  That made the Giants victory that much better after his smug butt laughed at Plax for saying they would only get 17 and only got 14.

Moss set the record for WR TD that year, and followed it up with 13 more the following year. I think it's safe to say he was in his prime

Favre had one of his best seasons towards the end of his career, doesn't mean someone is necessarily in their prime.  He was still really good.  When someone comes into the league with 17 TDs they are a special talent to begin with.

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Lets see if Manning decides to hang up his cleats next season, I don't know what happens to those Denver cocky fans....

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Manning couldn't throw last season.  He got away with a lot of dinks and dunks this year...  His pass average was less than 15 yards in most games...  If defenses would have played "ball defense" (more like man)...  instead of focusing on man or zone... and played the ball the way Seattle did...  they would have had an awful season...  If you watch the highlights, you'll notice that in just about EVERY play, the LB's and Secondary were playing the ball....  You had 3 guys making just about every tackle. 

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Guys, I have also had neck surgery.  I know Peyton only had one disc replaced.  I had a fracture at 5-6, and had 4, 5 6, an 7 fused by a Professor of Neurosurgery out at UCSD.  Yes, it can take years for nerve damage to repair itself and for your feeling to replenish...  but facts are facts...  You can not replace the flexibility, or the strength simply due to limitations... If you notice, they have NEVER talked about WHAT exactly he had done, they only show that little scar on the back of his neck..

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Flacco haters take note; The broncs failure is a prime example that ANY QB no matter who they are, needs the support of their team mates to succeed, most importantly the O line.

Yep. Manning looked like a ole grandad out there with poor pass protection.

 

I wonder if Hardbaugh gave you a up vote.HAHA.

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Why would this get shut down?All he's saying is that we need to place a sense of urgency on getting Flacco a better O line.

The Thread wouldn't be shut down, it is appropriately placed in "Other NFL Teams".  Some have made comparisons to the Ravens, and the conversation is very informative and has evidenced absolutely no reason to be shut down...................................yet.

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I know there were more factors to Denver's loss than Peyton's abysmal play but I'll slant the perception and pile the blame on him anyway.  NFL media does it to Joe all year every year.

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