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Could RB Bernard Pierce make a serious push for starter in 2014?

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I know Rice is still under his 5yr/$35m contract(which is about half way through) but I see a possibility for Bernard to really step up and not just grab more touches from Rice this year, but allow Rice to also save his body by then being used as more of utility player in the run/pass scheme rather than a full time back. Here are some points:

 

1. With Kubiak coming in with his zone scheme, this should provide our run game with a serious boost. Having Juan still on board, even though it was a bright spot last year, could really explode when you add juans knowledge of the zone run with Kubiaks.   

 

2. The similarities between Kubiaks old RB in Foster and our own Bernard Pierce is one to take notice of as well. Similar in size and speed( Bernard being a little faster and Foster being slightly heavier), they also have matching running styles as seen in the videos below:

 

Bernard:

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/2012-Bernard-Pierce-Highlights/8202d2f5-a227-4a4b-b93a-dd18ff60fd41

 

Foster:

 

that similarity in running styles, along with a potentially heavier Oline in 2014 will provide a lot of opportunity for Bernard to snatch snaps away from Rice. The two only real issues Bernard still has which may keep him from the starting role would be his receiving ability and pass blocking, both can be corrected by this offseason.

 

3. Alot of Bernards opportunity may also come this year due to certain stipulations in Rices 5yr-$35M contract, As described in the link below:

 

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-Ray-Rice-should-worry-about-his-touches.html

 

4.Lastly, being able to save money on Rice, as well as save him for years to come by putting Bernard in the forefront for carries just about completes Johns want in having every type of back available. As in a previous conference, John mentioned having as many backs as possible with as many different skills sets as possible and with Bernard being the one-cut balanced speed/power back, Rice being the quick/speedster/receiving back, they are only missing one more piece to the puzzle, a power back. For that, I believe Andre Williams from Boston College(slated to go in the early part of the 4th round). I would think one or even two of our compensatory picks that we get this year could help get us in position to get him, he would be a huge help in goal line runs and can really push the pile:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE

 

You add all these elements together and you dont just get an awesome running attack but more years on Rices career, Bernard getting more touches, and a monster power back getting the needed short yardage, and we havent even talked about Torrey and how they are gonna help out. What say you Ravens nation?

 

 

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since when did it become so established amongst our fanbase that pierce isnt a "powerful" back? take another look at his rookie season and watch LB's and DT's bounce off of him like a tennis ball on a regular basis and come back and tell me he isnt a powerback.

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I personally think BP is better suited for this system and will thrive in it.  I could easily see him out producing Rice if they are both given equal opportunities.  He's been the better pure runner and seems to invite contact.  He also see's the hole and doesn't dance around it.

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I know Rice is still under his 5yr/$35m contract(which is about half way through) but I see a possibility for Bernard to really step up and not just grab more touches from Rice this year, but allow Rice to also save his body by then being used as more of utility player in the run/pass scheme rather than a full time back. Here are some points:

 

1. With Kubiak coming in with his zone scheme, this should provide our run game with a serious boost. Having Juan still on board, even though it was a bright spot last year, could really explode when you add juans knowledge of the zone run with Kubiaks.   

 

2. The similarities between Kubiaks old RB in Foster and our own Bernard Pierce is one to take notice of as well. Similar in size and speed( Bernard being a little faster and Foster being slightly heavier), they also have matching running styles as seen in the videos below:

 

Bernard:

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/2012-Bernard-Pierce-Highlights/8202d2f5-a227-4a4b-b93a-dd18ff60fd41

 

Foster:

 

that similarity in running styles, along with a potentially heavier Oline in 2014 will provide a lot of opportunity for Bernard to snatch snaps away from Rice. The two only real issues Bernard still has which may keep him from the starting role would be his receiving ability and pass blocking, both can be corrected by this offseason.

 

3. Alot of Bernards opportunity may also come this year due to certain stipulations in Rices 5yr-$35M contract, As described in the link below:

 

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Why-Ray-Rice-should-worry-about-his-touches.html

 

4.Lastly, being able to save money on Rice, as well as save him for years to come by putting Bernard in the forefront for carries just about completes Johns want in having every type of back available. As in a previous conference, John mentioned having as many backs as possible with as many different skills sets as possible and with Bernard being the one-cut balanced speed/power back, Rice being the quick/speedster/receiving back, they are only missing one more piece to the puzzle, a power back. For that, I believe Andre Williams from Boston College(slated to go in the early part of the 4th round). I would think one or even two of our compensatory picks that we get this year could help get us in position to get him, he would be a huge help in goal line runs and can really push the pile:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujt1S9P2XHE

 

You add all these elements together and you dont just get an awesome running attack but more years on Rices career, Bernard getting more touches, and a monster power back getting the needed short yardage, and we havent even talked about Torrey and how they are gonna help out. What say you Ravens nation?

It all depends on the O-Line, and if Pierce can stay healthy. He seems like he has great potential, but is too darn Soft!

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since when did it become so established amongst our fanbase that pierce isnt a "powerful" back? take another look at his rookie season and watch LB's and DT's bounce off of him like a tennis ball on a regular basis and come back and tell me he isnt a powerback.

He just can't absorb the hits. He will never be a starter unless his durability can get better.

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I think the first question is can he stay healthy enough to be effective in all 16 games?  I think it's more likely he and Rice split carries evenly than him getting the starting job.

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I'm pretty sure neither Pierce/Rice has done well last season.   On top of that Pierce has been rigged w/ more injuries.  His prone to get injured w/ more carries.   

 

More likely than not Rice will be back on a productive level as a primary back, with Pierce being back on his 2012 form "IF" we can have our lineman perform like we have pre-Castillo days.    

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Pierce just needs to stay healthy.  If he can he's the HB you give the majority of carries to, regardless if Rice comes back leaned out.

Pierce has guys bounce off him, stiff arms guys, runs through arm tackles.

All things Rice doesnt.

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I doubt Pierce would be the starter in Kubiak's system unless he becomes a much larger receiving threat as well. Arian foster did it all for him in Houston and i think averaged like over 1800 yards from scrimmage for 3 years in a row or something like that. Kubiak's system needs a starting running back who can catch. However I do think Pierce's running style in general fits this system well. I think this question will be put to Rest assuming Rice comes out of the gates in training camp the way hes been talking himself up so far

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I think we need a new downhill north south bruiser back. Tired of this finesse bs, when its 3rd and 2, I want a back that will get the first on the ground. Currently that guy is Not on the roster.

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Whoever does better in training camp deserves the most reps. If Rice is done, take the L and use the better back. Only suffer financially instead of suffering on the field. We have the luxury of having a great young back up if he stays healthy.

But I have high expectations for Rice next season....Potential to become a candidate for comeback player of the year if we add some quality OL. Must get him back in the passing game if he's up for it.

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Pierce has serious talent but it's his lack of durability that will hold him back, for that reason alone he'll be a complementary piece and never a workhorse.

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since when did it become so established amongst our fanbase that pierce isnt a "powerful" back? take another look at his rookie season and watch LB's and DT's bounce off of him like a tennis ball on a regular basis and come back and tell me he isnt a powerback.

Pierce isn't a power back bro. He doesn't shy away from contact, but he's more elusive than powerful. Has great burst. 

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What rice does well, Pierce does well in other things.    The best duo to complement each other.

 

All that seems like a long time ago.   Castillo came in and suddenly we gained the worst run game/oline game in Ravens history.   

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Nah...I expect an absolute bounce back and career year out of Ray Rice. I am putting all the pressure on Ray to go harder than has ever gone this offseason and get into the shape of his life, get his hunger for excellence back and thrive in this run heavy offense next season.

 

And if he does not...we will cut him. I love Ray Rice and feel like he has become a staple to our team not just as a playmaker but as a personality as well. I feel like he learned alot from his old locker neighbor and best buddy Ray Lewis and would hate to see him go. 

 

Im calling 2013 a fluke and think we will see Ray Rice in Honolulu next year if were not in the super bowl. 

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Bernard Pierce needs to prove he can do more than just excel with the ball in open space before he can be a starter. He needs to get in the gym and add some muscle so he can take the beatings that comes with a starters workload.

 

I fully predict him to emulate his rookie year stats (maybe a little better) while continuing to be Rice's change of pace back.

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let him proof he can stay healthy first.

 

unless he can proof that there is no way he will become the lead back.

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Rice will remain the lead back mainly cuz of respect but also cuz of the dinero. Right now he's the better all around back. There will be another RB drafted probally in the later rds. Regadless both these guys need pushed

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I think Pierce could make the push to be a starter. I think a lot of people on here have a huge misconception about what a starter is. Being a starter doesn't necessarily mean you're the better all around back or the more heavily used back. It means that you carry the main workload as the runner. 

For example, look at the 2010 Kansas City Chiefs. Jamaal Charles was one of the most electrifying running backs in the league, but he wasn't the starter. Thomas Jones was. He actually received more carries than Jamaal Charles. Last year (2012 season), Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller alternated starts despite CJ Spiller being the better all around back. It's a similar situation on the other side of the ball for us. Courtney Upshaw is the starter because he plays run downs, but Elvis Dumervil will likely get more snaps because it's a pass happy league.

Bernard Pierce could absolutely be the starter for this season. His one-cut, downhill running style is perfect for the system. He exhibits great vision, patience, and hits the hole hard. That sounds like a starter to me.

Rice will obviously handle the passing downs and will be used heavily as a runner, but I could see Pierce starting.

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I think Pierce could make the push to be a starter. I think a lot of people on here have a huge misconception about what a starter is. Being a starter doesn't necessarily mean you're the better all around back or the more heavily used back. It means that you carry the main workload as the runner. 

For example, look at the 2010 Kansas City Chiefs. Jamaal Charles was one of the most electrifying running backs in the league, but he wasn't the starter. Thomas Jones was. He actually received more carries than Jamaal Charles. Last year (2012 season), Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller alternated starts despite CJ Spiller being the better all around back. It's a similar situation on the other side of the ball for us. Courtney Upshaw is the starter because he plays run downs, but Elvis Dumervil will likely get more snaps because it's a pass happy league.

Bernard Pierce could absolutely be the starter for this season. His one-cut, downhill running style is perfect for the system. He exhibits great vision, patience, and hits the hole hard. That sounds like a starter to me.

Rice will obviously handle the passing downs and will be used heavily as a runner, but I could see Pierce starting.

 

 

Couldn't put it better than that! Well said.

 

I also think that if we give Pierce the bulk of the carries, Rice can be fresher on third downs, and his third down receiving ability is what makes him so good. I'd rather have Rice fresh on third down with limited carries. He's at his best in the passing game. 

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Couldn't put it better than that! Well said.

 

I also think that if we give Pierce the bulk of the carries, Rice can be fresher on third downs, and his third down receiving ability is what makes him so good. I'd rather have Rice fresh on third down with limited carries. He's at his best in the passing game. 

I also like the running style of Pierce to do some wonders for Rice. Pierce may not have the durability to be a bruiser, but he loves to initiate contact and really punishes people for going to tackle him. I think that could wear down defenses and really open up some running room for Rice.

Obviously his receiving is a huge part of his game, so here's to hoping he regains his form.

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They should've kept Pierce at his rookie season weight instead of asking him to gain what? 15 pounds? last offseason. He's a big back, but not necessarily a power back like Jamal was years ago. People will fall off Pierce when trying to tackle him but he won't go after them.

 

I hope Ozzie drafts Towson's Terrance West maybe 4th or 5th round. That's a true power back.

Pierce/West/Rice could be great.

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They should've kept Pierce at his rookie season weight instead of asking him to gain what? 15 pounds? last offseason. He's a big back, but not necessarily a power back like Jamal was years ago. People will fall off Pierce when trying to tackle him but he won't go after them.

 

I hope Ozzie drafts Towson's Terrance West maybe 4th or 5th round. That's a true power back.

Pierce/West/Rice could be great.

 

I don't remember hearing this reported anywhere

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I had similar hopes for him this past season. However, he's not physical or tough enough to carry the ball 20+ times a game... or at least he hasn't proven it yet. He's always banged up and I don't think you can depend on him

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I don't remember hearing this reported anywhere

Wasn't it Rice who gained weight?

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Wasn't it Rice who gained weight?

 

 

Yup and it was quite noticeable . He added too much muscle which is understandable if he was looking to add more power to his  game but  it just didn't work out.

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I don't remember hearing this reported anywhere

Pierce said that he/Ravens wanted him to add more muscle weight to take more hits. He said that he played under he usual playing weight so he could clock in a faster 40 in the combine and that's the weight he played at his rookie season... but added it last offseason. Will find link.

 

Link: http://baltimoresportsreport.com/bernard-pierce-primed-for-breakout-sophomore-season-42265.html

 

He added 10 pounds.. There's also a video of him saying he gained at least 15 somewhere also.

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Pierce said that he/Ravens wanted him to add more muscle weight to take more hits. He said that he played under he usual playing weight so he could clock in a faster 40 in the combine and that's the weight he played at his rookie season... but added it last offseason. Will find link.

 

Link: http://baltimoresportsreport.com/bernard-pierce-primed-for-breakout-sophomore-season-42265.html

 

He added 10 pounds.. There's also a video of him saying he gained at least 15 somewhere also.

 

Gotcha. He should probably cut at least five pounds, or get in the 215-220 range. But then again, I don't think the weight gain really affected his speed too much. He had two huge runs early in the season, and he looked pretty fast on each. 

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Gotcha. He should probably cut at least five pounds, or get in the 215-220 range. But then again, I don't think the weight gain really affected his speed too much. He had two huge runs early in the season, and he looked pretty fast on each. 

I love Bernard Pierce (I'm actually wearing his "Fear the Beard" shirt now lol).

 

I didn't mean to point out that the weight loss slowed him down.. but if he played beastly with his weight in his rookie season why change it. He is starter material IMO and Terrance West would be a good compliment to him.

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I seriously doubt it. I think he makes a good change of pace RB right now. But, if Rice can't get back to his old self, I expect to see a RB being drafted again this year who may end up taking the starting RB position...

 

Then again, I have a feeling Rice will be productive under the new RB coach's supervision...

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We need to draft a RB in the middle rounds.

 

Pierce is easily injured so I am not comfortable with people saying he should be the starter at all

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We need to draft a RB in the middle rounds.

Pierce is easily injured so I am not comfortable with people saying he should be the starter at all

^^^This

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Pierce had durability concerns coming out of college and still hasn't been able to shake that label despite not being the featured guy.

 

I'd love to see him take off in Kubiak's offense as he seems to have the skill set to excel.

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I wonder, given the style of coach Kubiak's schemes where does a fullback fit in? Run to set up the pass is great but is Vonte or Kyle the man to lead? Just a thought, do you think this should be a part of the conversation? Is the fullback a thing of the past or an extra blocker for Bernard or Ray? Also, another pass option for Joe? Liability or asset, thoughts please.

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I could see him being the starter. Kubiak's system is more geared towards a slasher like Arian Foster. Pierce definitely fits that description and might over take Rice because of his style of running. A lot of it depends on how strong of an offseason he has, would like to see BP add some weight to his frame and become more physical.

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I wonder, given the style of coach Kubiak's schemes where does a fullback fit in? Run to set up the pass is great but is Vonte or Kyle the man to lead? Just a thought, do you think this should be a part of the conversation? Is the fullback a thing of the past or an extra blocker for Bernard or Ray? Also, another pass option for Joe? Liability or asset, thoughts please.

I'd much rather use tightend's/ as opposed to the fullback position. Also I'd use that roster spot to keep an extra wideout/runningback on the active/gameday  option.  Tightends are large targets by nature so three potential miss matches at one time could used. Slam a speedy slot man into the equation. instant opportunities. Another thing is a new style/playbook will have teams in afc north scratching there heads as they have been programmed with vanilla extract as the ingredient. I wouldn't keep Leach at all. 

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Rice or Bernardo and another speedy tailback together on a given play. "Ahhh which way did he go, Samm" ?  :banana1:

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If our new offense is anything like Houston's, Rice will be the primary back. Pierce will still get a good bit of touches

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After this Ray Rice news; Pierce may have to be the guy!

#Mili

I thought that even before the news lol
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Which would mean RB becoming a need. Ugh, as if we didn't have enough.

 

With Kubiak's track record, we might not need to draft one, though. Signing a vet FA and a UDFA might suffice. He's made a career of generating pro bowl production out of no name backs. 

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With Kubiak's track record, we might not need to draft one, though. Signing a vet FA and a UDFA might suffice. He's made a career of generating pro bowl production out of no name backs.

Just don't think Pierce can handle being the lead back. With his durability and all, he's definitely got the skillset.
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Pierce is a decent runner. However he plants hard. Guys who plant hard get hurt more. Alas Adrian Peterson couldn't run behind Baltimore's line and zone scheme last year. It sucked - sucked! Plus fans who act like Pierce is special mystify me. Ray could do diddley last year and Piecre did even less. Some fans write as if Pierce is Brady waiting to take over from Bledsoe.

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How does Cierre Wood fit in with Kubiak now. He was cut by Houston when Kubiak was the coach due to smoking weed in a hotel room before a team game.

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It will be interesting to see what the Ravens do.  I'm thinking they may pick up a RB in the draft.

 

#Mili

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