Terrell Suggs extended

[rmw10]

OK...  I'll give on that one....  that makes sense.  I just think you could definitely see a difference when he wasn't in the game.  That center line became a sieve on many occasion, and it was left to Smith to pick up the slack... and Suggs was backed up more too and couldn't make his outside attack...  was kept back to watch that slot.

 

Yeah I mean, he's still a terrific player.  He's not worth his contract, but he still has a heavy impact on this team.  As you said, it's still noticeable when he's not in there.  It's all in the risk evaluation.  If the FO sits down with Ngata and determines that he wants to and can play for another 4 years, an extension makes sense.  Based on what we know though, I think it's too risky to kick money into the future with guys like Torrey and Jimmy coming up for contracts.

[The Mom Gene]

It all makes sense... As much as I hate losing guys that are productive and mean a lot to the team, the CBA really screwed with teams like ours...

[izvoodoo]

It all makes sense... As much as I hate losing guys that are productive and mean a lot to the team, the CBA really screwed with teams like ours...

Not really... since we're a small market.  If anything it helps us.

[443hurricane]

Koch is gone for sure.   The guy has been on the decline for 2 years.   Last year's performance pretty much sealed the deal.   

Anyone know a fresh face from college thats likely to be a viable candidate for late round/udfa?

University of Miami's Patrick O'Donnell... 6.4 230... Averages 47.1 yards per punt. Finished his collegiate season with 9 straight games with 52+ypa punts...

 

Could bring him in undrafted and go from there. I would like us to use the same approach we did finding Justin Tucker.

[52520Andrew]

Don't forget Justin Tucker coming up as well in a couple years. He is going to want Dan Bailey money after that awful contract offer by JJ lol. I think Torrey Smith, Jimmy Smith, and Ngata will be the big contract guys in 2015. For Ngata, it will be an extension or a release. Jimmy and Torrey will probably be locked up long term. Jimmy Smith really earned himself some money this season and if he keeps playing how he has been, that will be a tough re-sign. Torrey will be an interesting one as well.

[I AM LEGEND]

Good news..

[ratedr]

I haven't read the rest of the comments...am I the only one who thinks we overpaid?

[Played]

Yeah I mean, he's still a terrific player.  He's not worth his contract, but he still has a heavy impact on this team.  As you said, it's still noticeable when he's not in there.  It's all in the risk evaluation.  If the FO sits down with Ngata and determines that he wants to and can play for another 4 years, an extension makes sense.  Based on what we know though, I think it's too risky to kick money into the future with guys like Torrey and Jimmy coming up for contracts.

I don't think a restructure or extension is likely with Nagata this year, although next year is a totally diffrent thing.

 

This year he will make 8,5M i base salary with a cap number of 16M and the last year (2015) of his deal is the exact same, that means that if we extend him lets say another two years his cap number might go down this and next year with maybe around five million, we would essentially borrow against the future cap. Ozzie has said he wont do this again...

 

Look at it year by year (I don't think Ngata would even consider anything under 9M per year at this point)

Signing Bonus:22M (His base salary 14+15 adds to 17M and he wouldnt take a pay cut i belive)

2014: Base: 1M Prorated Bonus: 2,5M (To save 5M in cap this year) Dead money from last deal: 7,5M Cap Number: 11M(Previously 16M)

2015: Base: 3M P Bonus: 2,5M (Saves 3M against 2015 Cap) Dead money from last deal: 7,5M Cap Number: 13M (Previously 16M)

2016: Base: 5M P Bonus: 8,5M Cap number:13,5M (Cut saves nothing actually costs 3,5M against cut)

2018: Base: 5M P Bonus: 8,5M Cap Number:13,5M (Cut would save 5M with 8,5M dead against cap)

[rmw10]

I haven't read the rest of the comments...am I the only one who thinks we overpaid?

 

It's actually pretty cap friendly.  It's basically a 3 year contract with manageable dead money if we want to cut him in year 4 or 5.  His cap hit is pretty much just above $6M each year.

[redrum52]

University of Miami's Patrick O'Donnell... 6.4 230... Averages 47.1 yards per punt. Finished his collegiate season with 9 straight games with 52+ypa punts...

 

Could bring him in undrafted and go from there. I would like us to use the same approach we did finding Justin Tucker.

The only problem I have with this is the holding situation, which seems small, but makes a big difference.  Would like to see this approach made though.  If McClain and Koch are cut, doesn't that save about 3-3.5 million(I think we should keep Leach)?

[52520Andrew]

The only problem I have with this is the holding situation, which seems small, but makes a big difference.  Would like to see this approach made though.  If McClain and Koch are cut, doesn't that save about 3-3.5 million(I think we should keep Leach)?

 

I believe McClain saves 3.2 while Koch saves 1.6. Leach saves 1.75

[jdynamite]

I was hoping we'd hear details about the deal today.

Hope Ngata gets an extension to save us money as well. Because he's not playing 12-14M worth on field like years past , perhaps it's all the injuries I don't know.

[jdynamite]

Suggs' deal has an $11M signing bonus. Base salaries (2014-18): $1M, $4M, $4.5M, $4M, $4M. Cap numbers: $7.8M, $6.6M, $6.7M, $6M., $6M.

11:58 AM - 17 Feb 2014

That's actually a nice deal.

[Seseau]

The only problem I have with this is the holding situation, which seems small, but makes a big difference.  Would like to see this approach made though.  If McClain and Koch are cut, doesn't that save about 3-3.5 million(I think we should keep Leach)?

 

There's no reason to keep Leach. He was almost non existing last season.

[codizzle]

There's no reason to keep Leach. He was almost non existing last season.

The fact that we have a completely new OC that has used Leach before and loves him probably means something

[redrum52]

The fact that we have a completely new OC that has used Leach before and loves him probably means something

What this guy said.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I agree that McClain is making too much, but has there been any word that he's at all likely to be cut?

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Time to get a Suggs jersey and get it signed.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I agree that McClain is making too much, but has there been any word that he's at all likely to be cut?

It's been speculated and the writing is borderline on the wall. They are expected to try and retain Daryl Smith. If they do, they'll expect Arthur Brown to man up the other ILB spot pushing McClain out the door. McClain's money could be put towards getting something done with Daryl Smith who was far more effective than McClain.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Something to remember. Sizzle did give us cap space, McClain and Koch are gone, Haloti, well next season will give us a better idea. What seems to be lost is the mans own words, "Raven for life." That means something bigger than money. He wants to be here and gave something up for it. That's what Ravens do, play for the team, the city, the right to call yourself a Raven period. Right or wrong, I don't care, class move and let's see how next season plays out. Mans game, Sizzle stepped up!

[Gordo52]

Time to get a Suggs jersey and get it signed.

Was thinking the same thing.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Now that there is some money in the water, the sharks will want to jump in and eat the fish whole.

Suggs kept the deal team friendly, let's see if pitta can do the same. We gave you the time to be groomed(the good& the bad), now give us a deal...

[berad]

Very happy to see Terrell staying. I'm glad we worked it out. He's the longest tenured guy and still my favorite player on the roster.

[Seseau]

What this guy said.

 

Leach's cap number is 2.3M I don't see us keeping him when we have Juice on the roster and Harbaugh said we would utilize him more. Not to mention that we are mostly running with a 1-back set.

 

I get it that the new OC and Leach have history but forgot what report said something that stuck with me. In the last 6 weeks of the season he was only used on 10% of the plays something along the lines of 45 snap out of 4xx. If we are cutting Koch I'm all for cutting leach as well. He has done nothing to make me scream to not cut him

[Jon_21]

Leach's cap number is 2.3M I don't see us keeping him when we have Juice on the roster and Harbaugh said we would utilize him more. Not to mention that we are mostly running with a 1-back set.

 

I get it that the new OC and Leach have history but forgot what report said something that stuck with me. In the last 6 weeks of the season he was only used on 10% of the plays something along the lines of 45 snap out of 4xx. If we are cutting Koch I'm all for cutting leach as well. He has done nothing to make me scream to not cut him

 

I would be approaching Leach for a "restructure" type of deal where he reduces his base salary from $1.75 million down to the vet minimum or he is cut.  This would free up $750K and his cap charge would only be $1.6M.  I think he would be wise to take the deal to stay a Raven and play in a system he is familiar with.  I doubt he will be getting any bigtime offers on the open market much greater than the miminimum and the odds of him playing here are much higher than with other teams.

[CapoRocky]

I think it's unlikely he'd be willing to negotiate an extension. He's leaning more on retirement than Suggs was and he most likely wants to collect as much money as possible before he hangs em up.

 

Ngata has all the leverage with that huge dead money in cap space looming if he is cut.  No one would touch him in a trade, too.  I'll be fine with him if he stays healthy and plugs the holes as he has done in the past.

[codizzle]

Ngata has all the leverage with that huge dead money in cap space looming if he is cut. No one would touch him in a trade, too. I'll be fine with him if he stays healthy and plugs the holes as he has done in the past.

Here's 16 million! Go plug a hole!

I'm hoping for a little more than that

[jaege]

Here's 16 million! Go plug a hole!

I'm hoping for a little more than that

 

 

It was the Ravens that made the deal. They should have structured it a little better so that Ngata would have less leverage at this stage. How is Joe's deal structured? Will the team be better able to convince him to renegotiate when the time comes?

[YashaYahu1]

haloti nata  refuses lower his price tag, i dont think he's worth 16 mill next year i think we should look to trade he has not been what he used to be ans constantly injured. i think we can def find a soild run stuffer for alot less then 16 mil. Plus i would love to see us add alot more soild pieces on defense..thoughts?

[dirtybird10]

Now that there is some money in the water, the sharks will want to jump in and eat the fish whole.

Suggs kept the deal team friendly, let's see if pitta can do the same. We gave you the time to be groomed(the good& the bad), now give us a deal...

 

I doubt Pitta will be "giving" anything. He has been paid as a late 3rd rounder up to this point. This is his first and possibly only shot to make a big deal. Suggs' deal does not benefit the Ravens anymore than it benefits Suggs, however, he already got his big payday. You cannot expect Pitta to leave much money on the table just for the sake of the Ravens. He is going to want to get paid.