Ravens/steelers Both At 10-4 :: Who Has The Tiebreaker?

[bkirha1]

We would have identical records and a split with our heads up games...
Steelers lost to philly, who we beat
and we both lost to NY & Indy

Wouldn't that give us the tiebreaker?

[Perfekt]

yea it would but if they beat the titans then were tied again or if they lose to the titans and we lose to the cowboys were tied again

[bkirha1]

damn its gonna be tight...

[BringingtheBlitz]

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[bkirha1]

Yeah...and its terrible but NE is going to be hurtin without Cassell, and call me crazy, but i think detroit can beat Indy...
that would be the day right!

[BringingtheBlitz]

Matt is going to be playing for NE this week unless things have changed since last I checked. Indy dropping a game to the Lions would be excellent, but I just do not see that happening. But who knows, maybe Megatron will take the Indy secondary to school. Of course that requires Dante and his offensive line to be able to feed him the ball.

[Ravnet]

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The Ravens will hold the tiebreaker if we beat the Steelers temporarily, but they also beat Dallas and should win over Tennessee, so we'd have to beat the Cowboys and then have Pittsburgh lose to Tenn.

[Tiz]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='103062' date='Dec 12 2008, 07:37 PM']The search button is your friend.

[url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?showtopic=5599&hl=Playoff+possibilities"]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.ph...f+possibilities[/url]

The Ravens will hold the tiebreaker if we beat the Steelers temporarily, but they also beat Dallas and should win over Tennessee, so we'd have to beat the Cowboys and then have Pittsburgh lose to Tenn.[/quote]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures"]http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures[/url]

[quote]TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

Two Clubs
[b]Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. [/b][b]
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.[/b]
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in common games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss
Three or More Clubs[/quote]

[BringingtheBlitz]

The Steelers should win over Tennessee? Thats a strong statement, especially considering the Titans will be at home. Considering the Titans have the #3 defense in the league and a better running game than us (only slightly statistically but Chris Johnson is a hell of a rookie I think we can agree) its way to early to chalk that up as a Steelers W.

[SteelersProphet]

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[macbrak]

And strength of victory can change alot by the end of the year. But this is all conjecture as one of us is going to be ahead before all these scenarios take place.

I think si or espn and a nauseating detailed listing of the tiebreaker scenarios between us (with points and such).

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='macbrak' post='103102' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:40 PM']And strength of victory can change alot by the end of the year. But this is all conjecture as one of us is going to be ahead before all these scenarios take place.

I think si or espn and a nauseating detailed listing of the tiebreaker scenarios between us (with points and such).[/quote]

yea thats only if we tie strength of victory

which is hard to do

[macbrak]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='103103' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:42 PM']yea thats only if we tie strength of victory

which is hard to do[/quote]
exactly, there's too many ifs before that happens.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='macbrak' post='103104' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:43 PM']exactly, there's too many ifs before that happens.[/quote]

if we tie strength of victory...it will be a shame who ever wins it

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Tiz' post='103089' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:28 PM'][url="http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures"]http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures[/url][/quote]

Assuming that the Steelers beat Cleveland, we'll be tied within the division and head to head, so as I stated, it will come down to common opponents. Pittsburgh has already beaten Dallas, so we have to win as well to keep pace. In the hypothetical scenario that the Steelers lose this Sunday, the #1 seed would be out of reach, so Tennessee may rest their players, leading to a Steelers win. As we lost to Tenn, Pittsburgh just has to take that game to win the common opponents tiebreaker if Baltimore drops one in Dallas .

Even if we do beat Dallas, we can't afford a Pittsburgh win in Tennessee even though we've also beaten the Eagles - a game they lost. The reason Pitt has to lose in Tenn is because the Steelers will have the better conference record with a win against the Titans/Browns. The conference record becomes important because we'll be tied with the Steelers in common opponents should Pittsburgh drop one game between Tenn/Cle. Even if they do go 1-2 the rest of the way out, Baltimore would need to go 3-0 and then it'd go down to strength of victory. I'm not going to break that down, but we have the edge if we win out and Pittsburgh drops one game between Tennessee/Cleveland.

One loss basically eliminates us.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='103099' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:36 PM']if you win and then we both lose next week it will go down to strength of victory which we lead at the moment (slightly)[/quote]

Right. Even if you lose on Sunday, the Steelers just need one more win with a Baltimore loss. A victory in either Tennessee/Cleveland would tie up the common opponents and the conference, forcing it to strength of victory. However, if you just split those games, Baltimore can win the division via common opponent record if they beat Dallas.

[Moderator 2]

We need to win by 4.

[#1 D]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' post='103103' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:42 PM']yea thats only if we tie strength of victory

which is hard to do[/quote]

like stated by mod, it's 4. if we can win by more than a field goal we can achieve that. jeez, kinda hard once i think about it.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Moderator 2' post='103117' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:54 PM']We need to win by 4.[/quote]

I thought strength of victory was calculated by adding up the winning percentages of the teams that your club has beaten. If that is the case, our schedule doesn't bode well for us.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='103115' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:54 PM']Right. Even if you lose on Sunday, the Steelers just need one more win with a Baltimore loss. A victory in either Tennessee/Cleveland would tie up the common opponents and the conference, forcing it to strength of victory. However, if you just split those games, Baltimore can win the division via common opponent record if they beat Dallas.[/quote]

not cleveland....we cant lose that game because then you would lead division record

[BringingtheBlitz]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='103115' date='Dec 12 2008, 09:54 PM']Right. Even if you lose on Sunday, the Steelers just need one more win with a Baltimore loss. A victory in either Tennessee/Cleveland would tie up the common opponents and the conference, forcing it to strength of victory. However, if you just split those games, Baltimore can win the division via common opponent record if they beat Dallas.[/quote]

If the Steelers lose to Cleveland then problem solved, as we will be 5-1 in the division to the Steelers' 4-2. If they lose to Tennessee and we beat Dallas and the Jags, we win via common opponents (Thanks Philly). The only way it goes to strength of victory is us losing to Dallas and their losing to Tennessee.

[Ravnet]

Right, I forgot about that. If Pittsburgh beats Cleveland and loses to Tennessee however, while we lose in Dallas, then it gets pushed to strength of victory. I think.

[Ravnet]

We just better hope Jeff Fisher decides to put in his guys.

[WACKO4FLACC0]

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[BringingtheBlitz]

I think he will in Week 16. Week 17 against Indy is another story entirely (which sucks for one of my fantasy teams, assuming it makes the league championships. Sigh...)

[SteelersWorld]

First of all no you don not hold the tie breaker if you some how win which you wont by the way. steelers would get the div anyways steelers would have to lose to you clowns and lose to ****** boys and you clowns would have run the table bottom line if you guys dont win the div by a whole game we get it so go cry now

[Corvus]

Pretty sure I saw an interview with Jeff Fisher saying he didn't plan on resting his guys until possibly week 17 at Indy. So the Steelers will be getting a full dose of their run game and defense. Besides, gotta think the Titans are gonna wanna show who they are with another victory over a quality opponent.

As far as common opponents as well, don't forget that we beat the Eagles and the Steelers lost to them, that will factor in as well providing we even need to look at that as a tiebreaker.

[Corvus]

[quote name='SteelersWorld' post='103257' date='Dec 13 2008, 11:50 AM']First of all no you don not hold the tie breaker if you some how win which you wont by the way. steelers would get the div anyways steelers would have to lose to you clowns and lose to ****** boys and you clowns would have run the table bottom line if you guys dont win the div by a whole game we get it so go cry now[/quote]


I know its impossible for you to show some class on OUR digital domain so maybe you should talk to some of the other Steelers fans on here about learning how to have an intelligent conversation like they can. Again, I know it will be hard for you but you can be civil and have a good conversation if you can dust off a few more brain cells.

[macbrak]

[quote name='SteelersWorld' post='103257' date='Dec 13 2008, 11:50 AM']First of all no you don not hold the tie breaker if you some how win which you wont by the way. steelers would get the div anyways steelers would have to lose to you clowns and lose to ****** boys and you clowns would have run the table bottom line if you guys dont win the div by a whole game we get it so go cry now[/quote]
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For the rest of you here's a page that breaks out all the [url="http://www.ravens24x7.com/column_view.php?cid=60&id=3048&view=archive"]scenarios[/url]:

[BringingtheBlitz]

Except he is wrong about the 3rd tiebreaker, considering we beat Philly and the Steelers lost to Philly. If we beat the Cowboys and the Steelers lose to the Titans, then assuming both the Steelers and Ravens win in Week 17 against their respective opponents, we win due to the common opponents tiebreaker.