Chances Haloti Ngata is extended?

[rmw10]

This is why I think we should think about trading him. If a team like Oakland, who will have the most cap space in the NFL this offseason, is willing to give us something similar to what the Bucs gave the Jets for Revis which was a first-round pick in this years draft and a conditional fourth-round selection in next years draft (that could become a third-round selection) then that's a deal we absolutely cannot refuse.

 

It would free up a ton of cap space and would give Ozzie 2 top 20 first-round picks.

 

As stated in the other thread, trading Ngata only frees up $1M.  Oakland would not give up their top 5 pick for him anyway.

[Tru11]

I understand the role of a nose tackle is to take double teams and hold his ground. The second part is very important because Ngata isn't doing too much of that lately. He's just eating blockers and getting kicked back. Obviously much of this is due to health, but he's getting pushed off the line and backwards a lot in run defense and not generating a consistent push in pass defense. If he were healthy, I think he could be dominant, but I don't think he'll be healthy anytime soon

 

the defense was good this season.

11th against the run and ngata had 1 less tackle then jones even with his role and not being 100%.

 

while he can be better when 100%, he still has the biggest impact on the Dline and he does the dirty work to make others get the shine.

 

for all the shine jones and daryl smith gets for their outstanding play its ngata making it possible.

 

from reading all your post in numerous threads about ngata it rather seems you have some personal grudge against him then rather objectively look at the whole picture.

 

he might not be what he once was but he sure as hell is still 1 of the better option out there.

[arnie_uk]

the defense was good this season.

11th against the run and ngata had 1 less tackle then jones even with his role and not being 100%.

while he can be better when 100%, he still has the biggest impact on the Dline and he does the dirty work to make others get the shine.

for all the shine jones and daryl smith gets for their outstanding play its ngata making it possible.

from reading all your post in numerous threads about ngata it rather seems you have some personal grudge against him then rather objectively look at the whole picture.

he might not be what he once was but he sure as hell is still 1 of the better option out there.

hes no where near close to his 16mil cap number no matter what you try to argue.

[Sami84]

im tired of this 100% bs with Ngata. Great players make plays and no one is 100% as the season winds down. Ngata is overrated. PLain and simple. Hes a glorified run stopper who has a cool name and when he hits people the world notices.

Trevor Pryce and Correy redding did the real work. I dont see much difference between Ngata and even a past his prime kelly gregg.

 

I always get pissed when some of our players get underrated by the media, but ngata is without doubt overrated by the media

[Tru11]

hes no where near close to his 16mil cap number no matter what you try to argue.

 

Where am i arguing his cap number?

Based on what do you assume this?

 

There is no point in arguing about his cap number because there isent much that can be done about it anyways......

 

You cant trade or cut him now because it wont save anything and leave us with dead money.

You can trade or cut him after june 1 and get cap relief this year only to be worse off the next year.

The ravens dont restructure deals.

The ravens could give him an extension but they never do that with players that have 2 years left.

 

Just like flacco rice and webb , ngata aint going nowhere.

none of them have played to their contracts worths this past season but none of them are going anywhere tnx to their contract.

discussing their capnumber is a mood point.

 

now discussing what they mean to the team talent wise ............

[PurpleCityLights]

I think he's gone.....

[Poes Crows]

Does anybody think that after last year Newsome may may be saying those things to scare Suggs but knows that he made a mistake with Boldin and doesn't want to do it again. Lets be honest even a healthy Pitta all year would not have got us to the playoffs. We spent our money on players that didnt finish the year with us and Boldin had a great year. You cant count Doom because we got lucky with him and he was an after thought after we cut Boldin and got Spears and Huff.

 

The Raven Front Office is in a Catch-22.  They've weakened their own structure and now they want a convoy of truckers to drive big rigs over the deep water.

 

It's cold too

[BmoreBird22]

 

the defense was good this season.

11th against the run and ngata had 1 less tackle then jones even with his role and not being 100%.

 

while he can be better when 100%, he still has the biggest impact on the Dline and he does the dirty work to make others get the shine.

 

for all the shine jones and daryl smith gets for their outstanding play its ngata making it possible.

 

from reading all your post in numerous threads about ngata it rather seems you have some personal grudge against him then rather objectively look at the whole picture.

 

he might not be what he once was but he sure as hell is still 1 of the better option out there.

I have nothing against any Ravens player, and I don't understand why anyone would hate a player on their favorite team. I love all Ravens players.

I understand that Ngata does a lot of the dirty work, and I agree there might not be too many great options on the free agent market, but that doesn't mean he is worth his $16 million cap hit. That's what I'm trying to get at.

The Ravens may have been ranked  11th against the run, but I'd be interested to see the yardage distribution up the middle and to either edge. I know Terrell Suggs was one of the best run defending linebackers in the league this year, so I don't think a ton of it came off the edges. 

I can remember watching games like Pittsburgh and the Steelers would find success with LeVeon Bell straight up the middle. He'd just run right through there. I'll give it the entire defense played poorly, but Ngata is getting pushed around a lot.

Daryl Smith doesn't shine in run defense. He makes many of his tackles in the second level and doesn't attack the line of scrimmage. If he's going to make a tackle, it's going to be 4 or 5 yards down the field most of the time.

Arthur Jones, the jury is out on him. Since we know he won't be a Raven next season, we'll see who benefitted more from who. 

I love Haloti Ngata, but he isn't worth the $16 million cap hit.

[Tru11]

 

 

I have nothing against any Ravens player, and I don't understand why anyone would hate a player on their favorite team. I love all Ravens players.

I understand that Ngata does a lot of the dirty work, and I agree there might not be too many great options on the free agent market, but that doesn't mean he is worth his $16 million cap hit. That's what I'm trying to get at.

The Ravens may have been ranked  11th against the run, but I'd be interested to see the yardage distribution up the middle and to either edge. I know Terrell Suggs was one of the best run defending linebackers in the league this year, so I don't think a ton of it came off the edges. 

I can remember watching games like Pittsburgh and the Steelers would find success with LeVeon Bell straight up the middle. He'd just run right through there. I'll give it the entire defense played poorly, but Ngata is getting pushed around a lot.

Daryl Smith doesn't shine in run defense. He makes many of his tackles in the second level and doesn't attack the line of scrimmage. If he's going to make a tackle, it's going to be 4 or 5 yards down the field most of the time.

Arthur Jones, the jury is out on him. Since we know he won't be a Raven next season, we'll see who benefitted more from who. 

I love Haloti Ngata, but he isn't worth the $16 million cap hit.

 

 

it doesent matter if he is worth it.

there is nothing the FO can do about it without hurting the team in 1 way or another.

 

the only viable option about lowering the cap number is extending him.

the ravens never extend players with 2 years left.

 

its really a mood discussion talking about his cap number.

 

also if we use your reasoning then we might as well get rid of flacco, rice , webb , yanda and suggs cause neither of them played at the level of the contract they signed.

heck there would be no reason to resign jacoby or pitta because well they where injured and basicially did nothing for the team this past season.

 

when it comes to playing up to their contract then you have a point and ngata wasent worth it but so was pretty much the whole offense and some defenders so .....

when it comes to a players skill set and what it means to the team there is hardly any argument to ngata being 1 if not the most important player on defense.

 

like i said watch that SB final again.

with ngata the niners offense did not do much.

once he went out with an injury they ran all over us.

he was still the 2nd leading dliner with tackles this past season as a NT and the top dliner only had 1 more tackle.....

also as a pass rusher his job is also to create 1 on 1 match ups for the others guys and he did a good job and for the 1st part of the season we where racking up the sacks as a team.

the 2nd part we got less sacks but was that really because of ngata????

[TDubbs]

It won't happen. Extending him means compromising the future salary cap, Ozzie is not willing to do this. Plus, I think Ngata has 3 years left at the most and he will retire. Unfortunately, Haloti's best years are behind him. We'll never see him at that same elite level again, injuries have piled up on the big man. 

[BmoreBird22]

 

it doesent matter if he is worth it.

there is nothing the FO can do about it without hurting the team in 1 way or another.

 

the only viable option about lowering the cap number is extending him.

the ravens never extend players with 2 years left.

 

its really a mood discussion talking about his cap number.

 

also if we use your reasoning then we might as well get rid of flacco, rice , webb , yanda and suggs cause neither of them played at the level of the contract they signed.

heck there would be no reason to resign jacoby or pitta because well they where injured and basicially did nothing for the team this past season.

 

when it comes to playing up to their contract then you have a point and ngata wasent worth it but so was pretty much the whole offense and some defenders so .....

when it comes to a players skill set and what it means to the team there is hardly any argument to ngata being 1 if not the most important player on defense.

 

like i said watch that SB final again.

with ngata the niners offense did not do much.

once he went out with an injury they ran all over us.

he was still the 2nd leading dliner with tackles this past season as a NT and the top dliner only had 1 more tackle.....

also as a pass rusher his job is also to create 1 on 1 match ups for the others guys and he did a good job and for the 1st part of the season we where racking up the sacks as a team.

the 2nd part we got less sacks but was that really because of ngata????

The team is being hurt by his massive cap hit and would be hurt if they kept the current roster, but cut him. It's a risk either way. 

 

Oh, right, I forgot that Joe Flacco's cap hit was massive, like Ngata's. That $6.8 million dollar cap hit (lower than Ngata's $11.5). Even if you're talking about this year, it's still lower than Ngata's. He may not have played well, but you'd be hard pressed to find a better quarterback to play for a cap hit lower than those. Yanda, not nearly as big of a cap hit at $7.5 million and $8.5 million, for last year and this year respectively. He may not have played stellar, but that's going to happen when you are making the line calls next to a first time center and playing next to one of the worst right tackles in the league. It also doesn't help that he had a torn rotator cuff in the offseason. Webb got better as the year progressed. I mean, did you expect him to light it up after a torn ACL? The fact that he got better as the year progressed makes him worth it for next year.

 

I'm not trying to make excuses for them, but what's the reason for Ngata's poor play at times? He played too high at times and with poor technique. He would get pushed around and taken out of plays. He has the highest cap hit on the team, and you would hope he'd play as one of the best players on the team. He had some dominant games, like Detroit, but those were rare.

 

The funny thing about Suggs is we're actually talking about cutting him. I don't think he's worth that cap hit, either. I'm one of the people who says cut him and believe that the signing of Elvis Dumervil makes that move possible.

 

I don't want to resign Jacoby Jones. He'll likely be way too expensive and he's only a number three receiver, at best, and that's a role Marlon Brown fills. If he wants to come in and be a rotational receiver and returner for around $2 million per season, I'm fine with that. With Dennis Pitta, I started a thread about resigning him, and I believe his value caps off at about $5 million. If he wants more than that, I say let him walk.

 

The players on the offense not being worth it can hardly be an argument. We're talking about Leach, who is likely going to be cut, Rice, who dealt with injuries, possibly being a cap casualty if he has a repeat of this year, and Yanda, who I talked about above. Joe's cap hit was so low that it's not worth it to talk about him.

 

I agree a nose tackle is one of the most important positions on the defense, if not the second most important behind the mike linebacker. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who would argue that importance, but Ngata isn't playing dominant football anymore. 

 

I won't argue that the 49ers ran all over the place, but the defense had no depth. That's why we retooled the defense over the offseason. It also didn't help that Ma'ake Kemoeatu was the starter. He and Cody are like a fourth of what Ngata is, which is really scary. I won't argue he was the best defensive lineman we had, but we had no depth at that point. We drafted two defensive lineman and signed one. We were supposed to be putting Ngata back in a position where he could be dominant, and he wasn't.

 

I wouldn't blame the lack of sacks on Ngata. Terrell Suggs got heavier and seemed to become lazier as the season went on. Maybe the neck injury took a tole? Elvis Dumervil was still extremely productive in terms of getting pressures and hits, but he just wasn't hitting home.

 

Again, remember, I'm not advocating for him to be cut because we don't know how far Brandon Williams has come or whether a rookie could fill in. I think Brandon Williams could fill in once he refines his technique, hand placement, and plays with better pad level. 

[Willbacker]

At the time of his signing he was considered the best player on D in the whole NFL. He hasn't really lived up to his contract but I wouldn't consider him a disappointment. He's mainly there to take up blockers and give a strong push up the middle and there was a lot of times I seen that but I didn't see enough edge pressure. Regardless there's nothing that can be done(trade or cut) we just gotta hope the Ngata(the year before the contract) makes a return or at least 80% of that.

[Tru11]

 

 

The team is being hurt by his massive cap hit and would be hurt if they kept the current roster, but cut him. It's a risk either way. 

 

Oh, right, I forgot that Joe Flacco's cap hit was massive, like Ngata's. That $6.8 million dollar cap hit (lower than Ngata's $11.5). Even if you're talking about this year, it's still lower than Ngata's. He may not have played well, but you'd be hard pressed to find a better quarterback to play for a cap hit lower than those. Yanda, not nearly as big of a cap hit at $7.5 million and $8.5 million, for last year and this year respectively. He may not have played stellar, but that's going to happen when you are making the line calls next to a first time center and playing next to one of the worst right tackles in the league. It also doesn't help that he had a torn rotator cuff in the offseason. Webb got better as the year progressed. I mean, did you expect him to light it up after a torn ACL? The fact that he got better as the year progressed makes him worth it for next year.

 

I'm not trying to make excuses for them, but what's the reason for Ngata's poor play at times? He played too high at times and with poor technique. He would get pushed around and taken out of plays. He has the highest cap hit on the team, and you would hope he'd play as one of the best players on the team. He had some dominant games, like Detroit, but those were rare.

 

The funny thing about Suggs is we're actually talking about cutting him. I don't think he's worth that cap hit, either. I'm one of the people who says cut him and believe that the signing of Elvis Dumervil makes that move possible.

 

I don't want to resign Jacoby Jones. He'll likely be way too expensive and he's only a number three receiver, at best, and that's a role Marlon Brown fills. If he wants to come in and be a rotational receiver and returner for around $2 million per season, I'm fine with that. With Dennis Pitta, I started a thread about resigning him, and I believe his value caps off at about $5 million. If he wants more than that, I say let him walk.

 

The players on the offense not being worth it can hardly be an argument. We're talking about Leach, who is likely going to be cut, Rice, who dealt with injuries, possibly being a cap casualty if he has a repeat of this year, and Yanda, who I talked about above. Joe's cap hit was so low that it's not worth it to talk about him.

 

I agree a nose tackle is one of the most important positions on the defense, if not the second most important behind the mike linebacker. I think you'd be hard pressed to find people who would argue that importance, but Ngata isn't playing dominant football anymore. 

 

I won't argue that the 49ers ran all over the place, but the defense had no depth. That's why we retooled the defense over the offseason. It also didn't help that Ma'ake Kemoeatu was the starter. He and Cody are like a fourth of what Ngata is, which is really scary. I won't argue he was the best defensive lineman we had, but we had no depth at that point. We drafted two defensive lineman and signed one. We were supposed to be putting Ngata back in a position where he could be dominant, and he wasn't.

 

I wouldn't blame the lack of sacks on Ngata. Terrell Suggs got heavier and seemed to become lazier as the season went on. Maybe the neck injury took a tole? Elvis Dumervil was still extremely productive in terms of getting pressures and hits, but he just wasn't hitting home.

 

Again, remember, I'm not advocating for him to be cut because we don't know how far Brandon Williams has come or whether a rookie could fill in. I think Brandon Williams could fill in once he refines his technique, hand placement, and plays with better pad level. 

 

 

okay im going to just be blunt and ask you if you have any idea how contracts and the cap works?

 

im still trying to figure out what the point is your are trying to make.

 

yeah sure his 16 mil cap hurts the ravens and he is still signed for 2 seasons.

there is no argument there.

 

but cutting him or trading isent solving anything and quite frankly will make things even worse.

cut him or trade him will free up 1 mil and no way you find a replacement at that price.

 

cutting him or trading him after june 1 will destroy the cap for the next season and no way any good FO will risk that.

 

extending him might be an option but FO never really do that with a player with 2 years left and health issues....

 

keeping him and his talent on the roster for a 16 mil cap hit is at this moment the best option the team has.

the NFL doesent have the option like the NBA to terminate a contract without it impacting the cap.

So hate it or love it we are stuck with him unless the FO does something radical...

 

so other then stating the obvious what exactly are you trying to argue with me? 

[BmoreBird22]

 

okay im going to just be blunt and ask you if you have any idea how contracts and the cap works?

 

im still trying to figure out what the point is your are trying to make.

 

yeah sure his 16 mil cap hurts the ravens and he is still signed for 2 seasons.

there is no argument there.

 

but cutting him or trading isent solving anything and quite frankly will make things even worse.

cut him or trade him will free up 1 mil and no way you find a replacement at that price.

 

cutting him or trading him after june 1 will destroy the cap for the next season and no way any good FO will risk that.

 

extending him might be an option but FO never really do that with a player with 2 years left and health issues....

 

keeping him and his talent on the roster for a 16 mil cap hit is at this moment the best option the team has.

the NFL doesent have the option like the NBA to terminate a contract without it impacting the cap.

So hate it or love it we are stuck with him unless the FO does something radical...

 

so other then stating the obvious what exactly are you trying to argue with me? 

I do understand how cap numbers work. 

My point is that we're talking about cutting, extending, or trading Terrell Suggs, but no buzz about Ngata at all? Maybe that has to do with Ngata having two years left on his contract and only Suggs having one year left. 

 

Post June 1st cut or trade would free up $8 million in both seasons, which could be used to sign Torrey and Jimmy Smith, or exercise the fifth year option for Jimmy (That's the move I usually suggest as a possibility). It could be used to sign our draft picks, find a veteran similar to Daryl Smith post June 1st. There's a lot of options, and that's just something I was putting out there. I have only ever advocated for a post June 1st move if you read any of my posts.

 

I have said I would expect him to stay on the roster, but I was just floating that out there.

 

If you go back to the very first post that I quoted you in, I was just saying that his play was far diminished from what it was when he first signed this massive contract, and that he's hardly worth a $16 million cap it.

[rmw10]

 

 

I do understand how cap numbers work. 

My point is that we're talking about cutting, extending, or trading Terrell Suggs, but no buzz about Ngata at all? Maybe that has to do with Ngata having two years left on his contract and only Suggs having one year left. 

 

Post June 1st cut or trade would free up $8 million in both seasons, which could be used to sign Torrey and Jimmy Smith, or exercise the fifth year option for Jimmy (That's the move I usually suggest as a possibility). It could be used to sign our draft picks, find a veteran similar to Daryl Smith post June 1st. There's a lot of options, and that's just something I was putting out there. I have only ever advocated for a post June 1st move if you read any of my posts.

 

I have said I would expect him to stay on the roster, but I was just floating that out there.

 

If you go back to the very first post that I quoted you in, I was just saying that his play was far diminished from what it was when he first signed this massive contract, and that he's hardly worth a $16 million cap it.

 

 

There's been talk about it, but because there's such a low percentage of anything actually happening, the talk dies off quick.  It's forgone that Suggs cannot and will not be on the team at his current cap number.  With Ngata, there's a much higher percentage that he's on the team than not on the team.

[BmoreBird22]

 

There's been talk about it, but because there's such a low percentage of anything actually happening, the talk dies off quick.  It's forgone that Suggs cannot and will not be on the team at his current cap number.  With Ngata, there's a much higher percentage that he's on the team than not on the team.

Players like Suggs and Ngata make me wonder why contracts aren't more front-loaded when the players are in their primes.

[Willbacker]

 

 

Players like Suggs and Ngata make me wonder why contracts aren't more front-loaded when the players are in their primes.

 

Front loading the contracts is kind of a new practice. Kind of started when Dallas and Wash frontloaded contracts during the cap free year.

[rmw10]

 

 

Players like Suggs and Ngata make me wonder why contracts aren't more front-loaded when the players are in their primes.

 

 

Most of the time it's because they struggle to fit them under the cap, so they have to start low and build up as other contracts leave.  If you want a top player but only have $5M in cap space, you have to make it backloaded if you really want the player.  It's all in the cap space.  If you have tons, you can front load some, but with the Ravens success, it's hard to gain enough money in order to start that wave.

[Tru11]

 

 

I do understand how cap numbers work. 

My point is that we're talking about cutting, extending, or trading Terrell Suggs, but no buzz about Ngata at all? Maybe that has to do with Ngata having two years left on his contract and only Suggs having one year left. 

 

Post June 1st cut or trade would free up $8 million in both seasons, which could be used to sign Torrey and Jimmy Smith, or exercise the fifth year option for Jimmy (That's the move I usually suggest as a possibility). It could be used to sign our draft picks, find a veteran similar to Daryl Smith post June 1st. There's a lot of options, and that's just something I was putting out there. I have only ever advocated for a post June 1st move if you read any of my posts.

 

I have said I would expect him to stay on the roster, but I was just floating that out there.

 

If you go back to the very first post that I quoted you in, I was just saying that his play was far diminished from what it was when he first signed this massive contract, and that he's hardly worth a $16 million cap it.

 

 

yup it has every thing to do with 1 being in his last year and the other still having 2 seasons left.

 

ngata could save up 8 mil this season but will leave us with 8 mil in dead money the prior season.

 

you will bascially have a guy counting against the cap for 2 seasons while he is playing on another team.

if it was a bad player then perhaps but ngata still is 1 of the better players at his position.

 

You make a good point that with money that comes free you can resign other guys but you seem to forget that you have to find replacement as well.

 

getting a guy from FA who can fill his shoes wont come cheap and you wont find a player of his caliber in later rounds unless you want to spend a high draft pick on him.

think the offense is a more pressing need.

 

the team can release him but they better have a solution on making up for his loss.

[TDubbs]

im tired of this 100% bs with Ngata. Great players make plays and no one is 100% as the season winds down. Ngata is overrated. PLain and simple. Hes a glorified run stopper who has a cool name and when he hits people the world notices.

Trevor Pryce and Correy redding did the real work. I dont see much difference between Ngata and even a past his prime kelly gregg.

 

I always get pissed when some of our players get underrated by the media, but ngata is without doubt overrated by the media

 

During his first fews years, up until he got paid, he was absolutely dominant. He earned every ounce of respect that he received.  The last 2 years he's been plagued w/ injuries and has been a shell of his former self. He made the Pro Bowl by name alone, not on anything he did this year. When a big man like that has injuries that pile up on him, the play just declines severely and truly never finds that form again, unfortunately. 

[BmoreBird22]

 

Front loading the contracts is kind of a new practice. Kind of started when Dallas and Wash frontloaded contracts during the cap free year.

 

 

Most of the time it's because they struggle to fit them under the cap, so they have to start low and build up as other contracts leave.  If you want a top player but only have $5M in cap space, you have to make it backloaded if you really want the player.  It's all in the cap space.  If you have tons, you can front load some, but with the Ravens success, it's hard to gain enough money in order to start that wave.

I didn't realize that was such a recent thing. To me, it just makes sense to work a contract that way. 

 

I realize the Ravens are in a pickle with their current contracts, but if I'm not mistaken, next season they're projected to have like $40 million in cap space and $50 million the season after, before any moves are made. That makes me wonder if they could start it anytime soon.

[BmoreBird22]

yup it has every thing to do with 1 being in his last year and the other still having 2 seasons left.

 

ngata could save up 8 mil this season but will leave us with 8 mil in dead money the prior season.

 

you will bascially have a guy counting against the cap for 2 seasons while he is playing on another team.

if it was a bad player then perhaps but ngata still is 1 of the better players at his position.

 

You make a good point that with money that comes free you can resign other guys but you seem to forget that you have to find replacement as well.

 

getting a guy from FA who can fill his shoes wont come cheap and you wont find a player of his caliber in later rounds unless you want to spend a high draft pick on him.

think the offense is a more pressing need.

 

the team can release him but they better have a solution on making up for his loss.

Like I said, I fully expect him to be on the team until at least next season, if not for the duration of his contract, but I'd expect him to retire after that. His heart just doesn't seem in it as much. 

 

The only reason I brought this up is because it's frustrating to see a player who we knew can be dominant play below his potential after receiving such a massive contract.

 

You say he's one of the best, and I won't argue he's in the top 10 DT's/NT's in the league, but I'd argue he could be the most dominant if his heart was 100% there. Injuries don't help, but everyone goes through them.

 

The only person I could see as an option to replace Ngata would be Brandon Williams, but I haven't seen much from him that would suggest he's ready. Hopefully he can soak up plenty from Ngata because Williams is an absolute animal in terms of his ability to use strength and force. If he could get technique, I think he could be dominant.

 

Are there actually any players in free agency that are any good? If I remember, Jason Hatcher (who's oft injured) and Henry Melton (who'd be too small) are two of the big names, but I doubt we'd find a viable replacement this year.

 

However, I'm going to bring this full circle to the original question that I asked: Would it be worth it to extend him? I wouldn't want to make a move this season, unless it was an extension.

[rmw10]

 

 

 

 

I didn't realize that was such a recent thing. To me, it just makes sense to work a contract that way. 

 

I realize the Ravens are in a pickle with their current contracts, but if I'm not mistaken, next season they're projected to have like $40 million in cap space and $50 million the season after, before any moves are made. That makes me wonder if they could start it anytime soon.

 

 

While they may have that much now, they won't as it gets closer.  You'll likely have Monroe, the Smiths, and some other guys under some pretty hefty contracts that will bring that number down.  Also, when you project that far out, you typically have 30ish players under contract.  You still have a lot of open spots on the team that need filled.

[BmoreBird22]

 

While they may have that much now, they won't as it gets closer.  You'll likely have Monroe, the Smiths, and some other guys under some pretty hefty contracts that will bring that number down.  Also, when you project that far out, you typically have 30ish players under contract.  You still have a lot of open spots on the team that need filled.

For 2015, I think the number is 32 or so on the roster, so that's 21, but when you factor in that a fair amount will be rookies (let's say 8 because that usually seems to be the number the Ravens are around), that's 40. Hopefully both Smiths, Monroe, and Pitta. That's 44. Nine contracts to fill.

This is what makes me happy I'm not a GM. I could not imagine having to work through all those numbers and make a team run.

[arnie_uk]

I think they way we do contacts is idiotic. Webb gpt 5 yrs 50 million. That to me should be done 10mil a yesr guarantee first three years so he is cut able year 4 or 5 with no dead money.

Obviously that kind of contract structuring will take years to build up but I think it makes more sense

[BmoreBird22]

I think they way we do contacts is idiotic. Webb gpt 5 yrs 50 million. That to me should be done 10mil a yesr guarantee first three years so he is cut able year 4 or 5 with no dead money.

Obviously that kind of contract structuring will take years to build up but I think it makes more sense

I agree it's idiotic and makes no sense, but as someone above pointed out and you did, it's hard to break the system we have in place because we kinda locked ourselves in it until these massive contracts are cleared

[B-more Ravor]

Most of the time it's because they struggle to fit them under the cap, so they have to start low and build up as other contracts leave.  If you want a top player but only have $5M in cap space, you have to make it backloaded if you really want the player.  It's all in the cap space.  If you have tons, you can front load some, but with the Ravens success, it's hard to gain enough money in order to start that wave.

 

That's exactly the "problem" they are in now.  I would agree that "flat" contracts - especially for positions like RB - would be a better way to go, but when you are right up against the Cap every year, it's hard to do anything else but backloaded deals because you are trying to maximum the use of every last Cap dollar in any given year.

 

So, until they have a real purge or the Cap increases drastically in one year, the practice of backloading deals will likely continue.

[rmw10]

That's exactly the "problem" they are in now. I would agree that "flat" contracts - especially for positions like RB - would be a better way to go, but when you are right up against the Cap every year, it's hard to do anything else but backloaded deals because you are trying to maximum the use of every last Cap dollar in any given year.

So, until they have a real purge or the Cap increases drastically in one year, the practice of backloading deals will likely continue.

Yeah unless we go to a full rebuild, it's not going to happen. We're in a transitional/retooling period, but a purge doesn't seem imminent. If we want to keep our good players, we simply have to backload at this point.

[JoeyFlex5]

he plays in a scheme and position that doesent lead to eye popping stats and thus it seems most think he isent important at all.

 

anyone who watched that SB game against the niners should know his impact.

the moment he went out the niners ran all over the defense in the 2nd half.

 

the reason jones and such can make plays is because they dont get double teamed and thus have to beat just 1 guy to make a play.

 

i doubt he will get cut anytime soon since nobody can replace him and depending on how healthy he makes it through this season he could get extended next year.

but the decline weve seen is that even against double teams, and sometimes even against a 3rd blocker, he would still annihilate anyone in his path and blow up an entire gameplan. ngata used to be THE premier d-lineman in the league, as a 4-3 DT, as a NT, and as a 3-4 DE, opponents had to design their entire gameplan around finding ways to contain ngata. teams couldn't send a RB or FB out of the backfield for a dump off, because they would have to assign 2 blockers to ngata and he would still penetrate on every snap, teams had to assign chip blocks up the middle of the field to slow him down, and all the extra work they put in to slow ngata, left teams scratching their heads about how to slow down our other pass rushers. not having big numbers doesn't tell the whole story for a DT or NT, but in this case it does, because teams aren't dedicating as much of their gameplan to ngata, and he still has produced drastically less than he did 3 seasons ago.

 

for a guy his size, the knee injuries will continue to hinder him, they've constantly came back, and the injuries will continue to come back, it is a real problem for him. it is sad because he looked like a sure fire hall of famer at one point so young in his career, and he has just fell off the map for us

[B-more Ravor]

Yeah unless we go to a full rebuild, it's not going to happen. We're in a transitional/retooling period, but a purge doesn't seem imminent. If we want to keep our good players, we simply have to backload at this point.

 

 

Agreed.