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Chances Haloti Ngata is extended?

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I saw Jameson Hensley write an article in which he mentioned the Ravens either were going to or should consider extending Ngata to reduce his cap hit. What are the chances this happens? He still has two years(?) left, so it'd be a risk to extend him for much longer, given his age and injury concerns.

How likely is it that he is extended? The only other cap friendly option would be to cut him post June 1st, but I highly doubt that happens, so am extension seems to be the only smart option.

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It depends on what they want to do this off-season, and if they can execute those plans with Ngata at his current number. At this stage, unless absolutely necessary I feel as though extending him is the wrong move. His play dropped significantly this season, and that alone is cause for concern. I personally wouldn't do it unless we had to.

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Extending him would only extend his signing bonus numbers which would make it very difficult to cut him. His injury history is a concern.

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It depends on what they want to do this off-season, and if they can execute those plans with Ngata at his current number. At this stage, unless absolutely necessary I feel as though extending him is the wrong move. His play dropped significantly this season, and that alone is cause for concern. I personally wouldn't do it unless we had to.

  

Extending him would only extend his signing bonus numbers which would make it very difficult to cut him. His injury history is a concern.

The injury history is the only thing that would concern me about extending him. When healthy, he's dominant, but how often is he truly healthy? Not too often.

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Giving Ngata an extension would spread out his bonus, thus reducing his cap number each year... he and/or Suggs are candidates for such a move. I think it'll happen.

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Pretty much 0.  We're stuck with him at his current number for this year, and you'll likely see him cut next year.  He's talked about retirement quite often in the past couple of years.  Despite him being pretty young in NFL terms, his heart doesn't seem to be in it.  I don't think we can take that risk, even if the retirement talk is all smoke and mirrors.

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I think it is safe to say that evryone on the team last year had lost there heart to play the game. I am not trying to beat a dead horse but since Ray Lewis and Reed left the locker room just isn't the same.... maybe they will come around with this new coaching blood and play like the Ravens of ole'....

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Pretty much 0.  We're stuck with him at his current number for this year, and you'll likely see him cut next year.  He's talked about retirement quite often in the past couple of years.  Despite him being pretty young in NFL terms, his heart doesn't seem to be in it.  I don't think we can take that risk, even if the retirement talk is all smoke and mirrors.

 

Yea i agree.  I don't think his heart is in it anymore.   Seems to me he wants to just get the paycheck and move on.

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I thought cutting him was out of the question? Pretty sure it would leave us with $15 M in dead money. If anything, him and Suggs get extended. Though, if it wasn't for the dead money Ngata carries, cutting him in favor to re-sign Art Jones would be the best move Ozzie could do.

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it honestly happened as soon as he got his big contract. Its sad as I feel we never really saw the best of ngata. Yes even though in 2009-2010 he played epic I feel he could have been even better.

 

he basicaly is the cost of 2 pro bowl calibre players in his position.

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I think we should cut suggs and re-sign art. Suggs is a declining player with so many miles and recent injuries. It happens to them all. We need cap. Cutting suggs could help us land some good free agents.I didnt watch much college football in recent years but I hope KLM is ready as Im not sold on brandon williams.

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I thought cutting him was out of the question? Pretty sure it would leave us with $15 M in dead money. If anything, him and Suggs get extended. Though, if it wasn't for the dead money Ngata carries, cutting him in favor to re-sign Art Jones would be the best move Ozzie could do.

Post June first saves $8 million, and considering not many big name free agents are available, it'd likely be rolled over to open up money for Jimmy and Torrey Smith

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I think it is safe to say that evryone on the team last year had lost there heart to play the game. I am not trying to beat a dead horse but since Ray Lewis and Reed left the locker room just isn't the same.... maybe they will come around with this new coaching blood and play like the Ravens of ole'....

Loss of some key players? Super Bowl Hangover? Injuries? Those things can do it.

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I am fairly sure that either Ngata or Suggs will be asked to extend their contract and lessen the cap hit this year. If we let Suggs go we will need to keep Art Jones. But the timing is going to be part of the problem as Art is a UFA and will be available before we see what kind of shape Suggs and Ngata are in for this next year and what kind of money deals can be worked out with them. The one thing I do not foresee is us letting Suggs, Ngata and Art Jones all go. 

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I wouldn't extend him. He hasn't lived up to his contract at all, he's played at a level deserving half that much at best. Just suffer through next year and possibly the year after.

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I am fairly sure that either Ngata or Suggs will be asked to extend their contract and lessen the cap hit this year. If we let Suggs go we will need to keep Art Jones. But the timing is going to be part of the problem as Art is a UFA and will be available before we see what kind of shape Suggs and Ngata are in for this next year and what kind of money deals can be worked out with them. The one thing I do not foresee is us letting Suggs, Ngata and Art Jones all go.

I don't know why we would need to resign Art if Suggs is cut. They play different positions and on opposite sides of the formation, most of the time. No correlation between the two.
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Eh, don't think he's worth extending given that he's hinted at early retirement and injuries have piled up the last few years. We'll be looking for his replacement, along with Jones and Canty pretty soon. 

 

Suggs is who I think we'll ultimately cut. Oz cut Boldin after the delivering the playoff performance of a lifetime. Suggs has a higher cap hit than Boldin had and he was a non-factor the last half of the season. Don't think he will be kept. We've seen what moves Ozzie made after he cut Boldin. He could probably do the same after cutting Suggs. 

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Eh, don't think he's worth extending given that he's hinted at early retirement and injuries have piled up the last few years. We'll be looking for his replacement, along with Jones and Canty pretty soon.

Suggs is who I think we'll ultimately cut. Oz cut Boldin after the delivering the playoff performance of a lifetime. Suggs has a higher cap hit than Boldin had and he was a non-factor the last half of the season. Don't think he will be kept. We've seen what moves Ozzie made after he cut Boldin. He could probably do the same after cutting Suggs.

Does anybody think that after last year Newsome may may be saying those things to scare Suggs but knows that he made a mistake with Boldin and doesn't want to do it again. Lets be honest even a healthy Pitta all year would not have got us to the playoffs. We spent our money on players that didnt finish the year with us and Boldin had a great year. You cant count Doom because we got lucky with him and he was an after thought after we cut Boldin and got Spears and Huff.

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I don't know why we would need to resign Art if Suggs is cut. They play different positions and on opposite sides of the formation, most of the time. No correlation between the two.

 

Had a senior moment. You are right. I am not sure why I put them together other than they both lead in tackles at their positions and for some reason I was thinking that they both played DE. Since Suggs lines up at the line so often I got confused. My bad.

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Does anybody think that after last year Newsome may may be saying those things to scare Suggs but knows that he made a mistake with Boldin and doesn't want to do it again. Lets be honest even a healthy Pitta all year would not have got us to the playoffs. We spent our money on players that didnt finish the year with us and Boldin had a great year. You cant count Doom because we got lucky with him and he was an after thought after we cut Boldin and got Spears and Huff.

 

No I think he was being genuinely honest. Suggs has been a great player for us in the past but it's no secret that he was essentially a non-factor the last half of the season. I'm sure they'll do what they can to extend him and lower that cap but if that doesn't happen, I could easily see him being cut. That money could go towards helping us on the side of the ball that finished in the bottom of the league just like Boldin's cap went towards helping our defense after being below average the previous season.

 

Why can't you count Doom? Doesn't matter how he got available. We wouldn't of been able to sign Doom if we didn't have that freed up cap from cutting Boldin. Sure, we could have used Boldin but we cut him and got players like Doom, Canty, and D. Smith. All of these players played a part in our resurgence on defense. 

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Had a senior moment. You are right. I am not sure why I put them together other than they both lead in tackles at their positions and for some reason I was thinking that they both played DE. Since Suggs lines up at the line so often I got confused. My bad.

Suggs is essentially a standing defensive end. He was a defensive end in college, but you have to remember why have McPhee and Dumervil (two former defensive ends) in that role now

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he plays in a scheme and position that doesent lead to eye popping stats and thus it seems most think he isent important at all.

 

anyone who watched that SB game against the niners should know his impact.

the moment he went out the niners ran all over the defense in the 2nd half.

 

the reason jones and such can make plays is because they dont get double teamed and thus have to beat just 1 guy to make a play.

 

i doubt he will get cut anytime soon since nobody can replace him and depending on how healthy he makes it through this season he could get extended next year.

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he plays in a scheme and position that doesent lead to eye popping stats and thus it seems most think he isent important at all.

 

anyone who watched that SB game against the niners should know his impact.

the moment he went out the niners ran all over the defense in the 2nd half.

 

the reason jones and such can make plays is because they dont get double teamed and thus have to beat just 1 guy to make a play.

 

i doubt he will get cut anytime soon since nobody can replace him and depending on how healthy he makes it through this season he could get extended next year.

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Pretty much 0.  We're stuck with him at his current number for this year, and you'll likely see him cut next year.  He's talked about retirement quite often in the past couple of years.  Despite him being pretty young in NFL terms, his heart doesn't seem to be in it.  I don't think we can take that risk, even if the retirement talk is all smoke and mirrors.

 

This is why I think we should think about trading him. If a team like Oakland, who will have the most cap space in the NFL this offseason, is willing to give us something similar to what the Bucs gave the Jets for Revis which was a first-round pick in this years draft and a conditional fourth-round selection in next years draft (that could become a third-round selection) then that's a deal we absolutely cannot refuse.

 

It would free up a ton of cap space and would give Ozzie 2 top 20 first-round picks.

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he plays in a scheme and position that doesent lead to eye popping stats and thus it seems most think he isent important at all.

 

anyone who watched that SB game against the niners should know his impact.

the moment he went out the niners ran all over the defense in the 2nd half.

 

the reason jones and such can make plays is because they dont get double teamed and thus have to beat just 1 guy to make a play.

 

i doubt he will get cut anytime soon since nobody can replace him and depending on how healthy he makes it through this season he could get extended next year.

I understand the role of a nose tackle is to take double teams and hold his ground. The second part is very important because Ngata isn't doing too much of that lately. He's just eating blockers and getting kicked back. Obviously much of this is due to health, but he's getting pushed off the line and backwards a lot in run defense and not generating a consistent push in pass defense. If he were healthy, I think he could be dominant, but I don't think he'll be healthy anytime soon
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This is why I think we should think about trading him. If a team like Oakland, who will have the most cap space in the NFL this offseason, is willing to give us something similar to what the Bucs gave the Jets for Revis which was a first-round pick in this years draft and a conditional fourth-round selection in next years draft (that could become a third-round selection) then that's a deal we absolutely cannot refuse.

 

It would free up a ton of cap space and would give Ozzie 2 top 20 first-round picks.

A top five pick, which can be used on a much more dominant pass rusher, quarterback, or a much needed receiver, for Ngata? Ngata chance. Given his age and decline, a third and fourth rounder would be a win.
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