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Joe Flacco and Gary Kubiak

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CBSSports.com's Doug Gottlieb not only thinks Flacco won't succeed with the bootleg, but he thinks the offense will be worse next season under Kubiak. "You need a really athletic quarterback because you're running a lot of bootlegs, and that's not really Joe Flacco," Gottlieb said in this video. "It's not that Joe Flacco isn't a good athlete, he's actually a really good athlete, but he's not somebody you want to roll out, plant his feet and throw the ball. He's a down-field thrower. "This to me strikes me as a guy who is a really good offensive coordinator with a really good quarterback with a really bad fit for each other. I don't see them getting better. I see them fighting over the play calling and the set up and the depth of the drops."

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Flacco is a better athlete than Schaub, in near every way.

Schaub worked the bootleg fine.  Schaub was at his worst when in the pocket for long stretches.

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CBSSports.com's Doug Gottlieb not only thinks Flacco won't succeed with the bootleg, but he thinks the offense will be worse next season under Kubiak. "You need a really athletic quarterback because you're running a lot of bootlegs, and that's not really Joe Flacco," Gottlieb said in this video. "It's not that Joe Flacco isn't a good athlete, he's actually a really good athlete, but he's not somebody you want to roll out, plant his feet and throw the ball. He's a down-field thrower. "This to me strikes me as a guy who is a really good offensive coordinator with a really good quarterback with a really bad fit for each other. I don't see them getting better. I see them fighting over the play calling and the set up and the depth of the drops."

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I think Gottlieb is clueless and should stick to college basketball.

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Flacco is much more athletic then Schaub. Also if you take the time to actually watch Flacco he's a much better QB when he's allowed to move around, plus he throws really well on the run, so I don't see how rolling out, "planting" his feet and throwing would be a problem.

I didn't read the article but it strikes me as a guy who doesn't watch much of Flacco, he's just operating on the thoughs that Joe is a stationary guy who wants to just chuck the ball down field.

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It appears that Mr. Gottlieb is unaware that Flacco is a good athlete AND that Kubiak would adjust the scheme if need be. 

 

Kubiak is great for Joe, simple as that. 

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I Hope both of them find a way to get the offense better. "I don't like this, I don't like that". Thats BS. You do whatever to score points.

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Flacco and Kubiak... Kubiak and Flacco...

 

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haha sorry but it's the first thing that came to mind.

 

 

I don't think this article's assesment is too accurate.  Joe is as mobile (or moreso) than any of the other QBs Kubiak has had success with.  This guy is just going against the grain the get page hits.

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Guys let's keep this about how Flacco and Kubiak will work together in this system. It's not about Flacco's.....

Contract

Super Bowl win,

Pervious stats

Ranking compared to other QBs

Wins

Leadership

Personality

Let's stay on topic or this will be yet another Flacco thread shut down and that's getting old. No personal attacks, no hater vs support battles. Stay on topic and do not hijack this thread.

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I love how Kubiak attacks all three levels of the defense, and I love love love his use of crossing routes. I think we might see him call the offense similar to the Texans offense, but with maybe a bit more deep stuff, since we have Joe. I definitely don't want it turning into Cam 2.0, and I know it won't, but while Schaub is limited in the deep passing game, Flacco is strong in it. So, we'll see a bit more of it, but not too much more. We'll definitely build it up more with a lot of slants and crosses

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I wouldn't say Flacco is a better athlete than Schaub. Nothing really to compare them too but I will say if the Kubiak can establish a run game for the Ravens it will make Flacco better for the 2014 season. Kubiak is pretty good at making a team a run team to say.

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I love how Kubiak attacks all three levels of the defense, and I love love love his use of crossing routes. I think we might see him call the offense similar to the Texans offense, but with maybe a bit more deep stuff, since we have Joe. I definitely don't want it turning into Cam 2.0, and I know it won't, but while Schaub is limited in the deep passing game, Flacco is strong in it. So, we'll see a bit more of it, but not too much more. We'll definitely build it up more with a lot of slants and crosses

Couldn't agree more. Being able to attack all 3 levels will open things up so much. We've never really attacked all 3 levels together. We either focused on the low percenatge deep ball(11"-13") or the mid range game(10") or the short game/dumpoff("08-"09). We've never had a offense that attacked all levels, despite having a QB more then capable.

I can't wait to see that first PA stretch, throw back across the field to Pitta play.

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I always though Joe looked pretty good at running the bootleg stuff, rolling out to the right, etc. 2011-12 AFC Championship game comes to mind.

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He can run it and run it well. I would like for Joe to work on his play fake more though.  Maybe it's the view when watching, but it doesn't seem like he sells it well.  It's small things like that can help get a receiver some separation for a big play.  Will also make the throw easier on him if the defense actually bites.  Excited to see how the o line plays next year.  One thing I noticed about the Texans o line before this year was they really seemed to move as a single unit.  Don't see that often where the whole line seems in sync. 

 

 

I also think the bootleg has a lot to do with how the o line moves.  If they do their job, you don't need to be the most athletic because the defensive front will be following them.

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Well considering Shaub NEVER ran around at all when running Houston's offense whereas Joe takes off quite often when he has to, I don't see how moving outside the pocket for a bootleg is going to be an issue.  Joe does have issues setting his feet when throwing, but quite often when I've seen that it's when he's under duress and flushed from the pocket.  If it's a designed bootleg, Joe should have no problem with it.

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I wouldn't say Flacco is a better athlete than Schaub. Nothing really to compare them too but I will say if the Kubiak can establish a run game for the Ravens it will make Flacco better for the 2014 season. Kubiak is pretty good at making a team a run team to say.

 

You might not say Joe's a better athlete than Schaub but he clearly is. Beyond simply watching them play, the stats bear that out. Flacco has run for a higher clip than Schaub during his career, picked up more first downs and had bigger gains. 

 

As others have said, I'm looking forward to watching Joe work with Kubiak. 

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Ravens hire a pass happy OC "Flacco can't perform in this offense it's a terrible fit"

 

Ravens hire Kubiak for his zone stretch run offense "Flacco can't do it well enough, blah blah blah"

 

Is anyone here surprised? The stories never change, these pundits will never believe in Flacco and that's ok. Kubiak is the perfect fit here. He and Dennison ran a very productive offense (besides this season) with Shaub who doesn't compare to Joe. Flacco can do everything required of him within the confines of this offense. Still, most importantly, this scheme will be dependant on the run game resurrecting itself, the rest will follow suit. 

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I just hope he can teach joe how to read defenses !!! (maybe cut down on the romo's too)

This right here. Look, I'm a fan of Flacco. I root for him to do well. But, my biggest complaint about him is his awareness, both pocket and pre-snap. Seriously, when was the last time any of us saw a defender jump offsides and Flacco take his "free shot" downfield? I can't remember a single time. That kind of stuff drives me crazy about Flacco. How many times did we see Polamalu lining up in the defensive end position to blitz, and zero changes occur at the line? Then he gets sacked or stripped of the ball, with zero effort to move away from that side of the rush!! I know it sounds like I'm bashing on Flacco, but I'm just pointing out some examples of things I hope this new relationship will fix. After all, no one is perfect.

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I always though Joe looked pretty good at running the bootleg stuff, rolling out to the right, etc. 2011-12 AFC Championship game comes to mind.

yes my thoughts exactly
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None of it matters if Kubiak and off-season events do not fix the OL

 

It would mean his rollouts won't be by play-design lol

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I have two thoughts one Doug Gottlieb needs to stick to basketball and leave

football out of it I don't like his basketball rhetoric  either most times. Two Kubiak has already said he is going to work with Joe to find what best  suits him , not exact words but that sounds like his game plan will play to Flacco's strengths as it should be.

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This right here. Look, I'm a fan of Flacco. I root for him to do well. But, my biggest complaint about him is his awareness, both pocket and pre-snap. Seriously, when was the last time any of us saw a defender jump offsides and Flacco take his "free shot" downfield? I can't remember a single time.

A) There aren't many defensive offsides penalties against us, because our Oline is false starting so often.

B) He's thrown bombs in those situations several times.

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managing to do it worse then last season would be trully an amazing job.

dont think its possible lol.

 

also flacco is more athletic then alot of people think and he can throw the ball on the run better then most QBs.

 

that cannon arm of his makes up for being not set when throwing and probaly his best plays came when on the move.

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