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Are the Ravens going back to a run-first team?

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A year after signing Flacco to a huge contract basically stating "he is the man, he is our offensive leader.... the Ravens sign an offensive coordinator who built his offense around a stron running game using the fullback position more than most.

I have no idea what the Ravens are doing.  I'm not sure they know what they want to do.  They went out and drafted a bunch of receivers for Flacco.... and now it appears they will be trying to go back to a running-first offense with Kubiak.

Ravens looked to be completely done with Leach, and now it looks like they will be keeping him around.  Those dollars take away money to help rebuild the offensive line that everyone blamed this past season.

And does anyone EVER believe a play-fake that Flacco runs?  That's kind of a big part of Kubiaks offense.  I haven't seen Flacco sell a fake that's even half believable

People immediately say "Texans had a top 5 offense 3 out of the last 5 years.... but don't look at everything else.

I guess the positive is... they got this done relatively early.  And the offense can't really go anywhere but up, right?

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We're not trying to be run first or pass first or whatever. We're going to be balanced. We're going to do what works. Kubiak isn't run first. He's balanced. And just lol at run first or pass first. No good offense pigeon holes themselves as run first or pass first. Look at New England. 

 

Yeah, Flacco got a pay day. What does that have to do with our scheme? He got paid because he's a franchise QB. That doesn't mean we're not allowed to run the ball. That doesn't mean Flacco can carry a team that averages 3 yards a carry. Look at the Patriots. They have a great QB in Brady, but they lean on the ground game a lot, more than the media will have you believe. Want an example? AFCCG. Running game didn't work, and the offense fell apart.

 

Texans had the number one passing offense a few years ago, so I don't even see what the point of this thread was. If you're trying to say that running an offense that likes to establish the run and lean on it a bit makes Flacco a waste of money, well, sorry, that's just wrong. 

 

This offense is all about balance, doing what works, doing what fits the personnel, and taking advantage of what the defense gives you.

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Harbaugh made it clear that we're not going to be the Broncos, and we're not going to be the Texans.  As said above, we're becoming more balanced.  Using the run to set up the pass and vice versa.  Kubiak has ran 2 offenses at completely different ends of the spectrum.  Despite what you saw in Houston, a stellar run game isn't his only philosophy.  He's really good at using what talent he has to the best of their abilities.

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We've always tried to be a balanced offense under Harbaugh.  We couldn't do it this year because we were averaging less than 3 yards a carry.  You can't establish the run at all with numbers like that.  Between Rice and Piece I'm pretty sure we still ran the ball at least 20 times a game while passing about 38, which is pretty much in synch with most offenses these days - and I think shows our commitment to the run in spite of the fact that it was the worst rushing offense in 6 years or something like that.

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A year after signing Flacco to a huge contract basically stating "he is the man, he is our offensive leader.... the Ravens sign an offensive coordinator who built his offense around a stron running game using the fullback position more than most.

I have no idea what the Ravens are doing.  I'm not sure they know what they want to do.  They went out and drafted a bunch of receivers for Flacco.... and now it appears they will be trying to go back to a running-first offense with Kubiak.

Ravens looked to be completely done with Leach, and now it looks like they will be keeping him around.  Those dollars take away money to help rebuild the offensive line that everyone blamed this past season.

And does anyone EVER believe a play-fake that Flacco runs?  That's kind of a big part of Kubiaks offense.  I haven't seen Flacco sell a fake that's even half believable

People immediately say "Texans had a top 5 offense 3 out of the last 5 years.... but don't look at everything else.

I guess the positive is... they got this done relatively early.  And the offense can't really go anywhere but up, right?

Well they know how to get a lot out of the playaction...Im pretty sure Matt Schaub had a couple big years under Kubiak so thats something to look forward to. The main thing is that we have a chance to improve our offense in general specifically the running game and get a lot more out of Ray Rice who we also signed to a big contract. Flacco could still be a 4000 yard passer with a run heavy scheme its all about being more effective with the little pass attempts that you have.

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A run first team is nice in theory but the game has changed. Too many factors, weather, opponent, defensive schemes, etc... dictate an over all game plan that it is in flux from game to game what our offense would be better doing. That said, the mere threat of a punishing run game opens up the offense to a play action, deep threat passing attack. The multi dimensional aspects of doing both is something that will make the Raven's a threat to do either, week in and week out. Balance is sometimes over used but threat is never a bad thing, especially when it's us!!

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To piggyback on what The Raven said, Schaub...Matt Schaub...led the league in passing one year and put up multiple 4,000 yard years in Kubiak's offense, something Joe has yet to do in Cam's "downfield" offense.

Not saying we're going to run the exact same offense, but given Kiniaks stated goal of building around Joe's strengths, I think the passing game will be just fine.

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And people will be biting on Flacco's play fakes if we can actually run the ball. That's what our passing game was based on the first 3 years with Cam. So Joe can defiantly thrive in that system provided we can run the ball.

And who are all theses weapons we drafted for Flacco?!? Torrey and Pitta?!? Sounds like a rant to me.

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I can see where he is coming if we were to go run first. Why sign a qb tp that contract when u could get one fpr half the price to throw 20 times a game.

But I think we won't be that run first that it will be an issue.

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And people will be biting on Flacco's play fakes if we can actually run the ball. That's what our passing game was based on the first 3 years with Cam. So Joe can defiantly thrive in that system provided we can run the ball.

And who are all theses weapons we drafted for Flacco?!? Torrey and Pitta?!? Sounds like a rant to me.

 

Kubiak made it pretty clear, that he's gonna build around Flacco and that he's gonna meet with him to figure out what Joe wants to run and feels comfortable with. That sounds like an offense build around the QB to me.

Whether we run the ball more often or pass it even more, it still comes down to figuring out, what makes the QB most effective, that's just how the league works now and we already know, that you can build a SB winning team around Joe, so getting back "there" will be Kubiak's goal.

 

BTW, didn't the Pats run the ball alot last year? Didn't Moreno just have a 1000+ yards rushing season for the Broncos with more than 200 touches? Didn't the Packers feature Lacy ALOT in their offense?

I feel like the roles of Brady, Manning and Rodgers in their respective offenses are misrepresented as some kind of "one-man-show", because the media are so in love with those guys.

 

Yes, we never really got Flacco that many weapons. One of the big failures of Ozzie.

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it will all start to form around Joe and his best mate Pitta, who now's a certainty to get signed (as I said it all along lol); we'll most probably draft a young TE and develop Juice too; a short-intermediate routes / slants WR like Matthews or Robinson is a must too; and there's a high probability we get a big bodied RB to ease the load for Rice and Pierce

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Mr. Nobody, on 28 Jan 2014 - 04:14 AM, said:

... a big bodied RB to ease the load...

I was with you all the way until you got here. We only have 3 useable draft picks and 1 of those will go to an o-linesman.

I'd love our 1st 2 picks to be Ebert, Robinson/Matthews but Ozzie has stressed bigger middle of the line and a rangy free safety, although I think FS may be an internal upgrade (Trawick I'm thinking) or next years fill.

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to OP.. when did they draft a bunch of receivers for flacco? 

 

i mean yea they "drafted" a few, but more than anything they were all project picks that were long shots to even make an nfl roster besides torrey. we got lucky with marlon and doss just kinda floated around for a while

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I was with you all the way until you got here. We only have 3 useable draft picks and 1 of those will go to an o-linesman.

I'd love our 1st 2 picks to be Ebert, Robinson/Matthews but Ozzie has stressed bigger middle of the line and a rangy free safety, although I think FS may be an internal upgrade (Trawick I'm thinking) or next years fill.

we got our original 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th; then we get 3 comp picks for Kruger, Ellerbe and Williams; plus the pick from Dolphins for the McKinnie trade - surely we could spare one of these eight picks on a RB

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As always... the Ravens want balance... A even the best QBs in the league need a good running game. Watch the playoffs?

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Mr. Nobody, on 28 Jan 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

we got our original 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th; then we get 3 comp picks for Kruger, Ellerbe and Williams; plus the pick from Dolphins for the McKinnie trade - surely we could spare one of these eight picks on a RB

Not to argue too strongly with you but I did say USEABLE picks. Players after the 4th round, where our comp picks will be, are not likely to be meaningful players. Our impact picks are round 1,2,3.

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Honestly I don't care what we are as long as we are effective in doing so.  Run-first, heavy passing, balanced.  Just give me a team on the field that can execute and move the chains, however that may come.

 

The best way of doing this is using the strengths of your personnel.  Kubiak won't be a square peg into a round hole type of guy.  

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Not to argue too strongly with you but I did say USEABLE picks. Players after the 4th round, where our comp picks will be, are not likely to be meaningful players. Our impact picks are round 1,2,3.

you never know, Pitta was a 4th rounder for example... and you the front office might decide to go offense heavy, they could use 1st and 2nd for WR and TE and 3rd for RB; OL can be "fixed" via FA or some shifting in current personnel (given that we sign Monroe) and defensively there's one biggie we need to address at FS, with DT/DE as a fill-in in the late rounds (again given that we sign Daryl and re-structure Sizzle)

there are so many variables at present, but my hunch is we are getting some RB in the draft at some point (Arian Foster went un-drafted and made quite an impact under Kubiak)

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As long as the days of Run-Run-Pass-Punt are over, I don't care what we do.

 

If we really move towards more of a Westcoast Offense, we might actually see Rice in more passing situations (I still don't think we ever used him effectively in that respect, but merely see flashes of what it could be and halfhearted attempts at actually doing it).

 

I'm kind of excited to see Joe in a new system. I don't necassarily buy, that Flacco lacks accuracy. He never was asked to make a lot of high percentage throws in the first place. It was always down the field, which will always be harded to complete.

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This isn't a run first offense it just has a heavy run influence. This is what makes this offense so tough to defend. The oline is designed to make nearly every play look like a run and it creates hesitation on the defense. Imo the QB is what sets this offense apart. This offense protected a guy like Schuab. Heavy run and playaction covers up the things he doesn't do well like every good offense should. The offense has always been good, but Schuab was never able to take it to the next level. I strongly feel Flacco could and will.

Matt schuab averaged about 34 pass attempts per game. That is a good amount for any QB. There is no reason to think Flacco shouldn't continue to pass about 35+ times a game. The goal is to be more productive in those pass attempts, much like Aaron Rodgers. The biggest thing this offense will do is allow Flacco to complete more high percentage pass and many more explosive plays. This is the great offense for Joe Flacco.

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If we really move towards more of a Westcoast Offense, we might actually see Rice in more passing situations (I still don't think we ever used him effectively in that respect, but merely see flashes of what it could be and halfhearted attempts at actually doing it).

 

I'm kind of excited to see Joe in a new system. I don't necassarily buy, that Flacco lacks accuracy. He never was asked to make a lot of high percentage throws in the first place. It was always down the field, which will always be harded to complete.

Bingo!!!

This offense is perfect for every one of our offensive weapons and the oline for that matter. High percentage throws for Flacco but also a play designer who creates plays that gets guys in space. The way Foster is used in the pass game is perfect for Rice, the way Owens Daniles is used is perfect for Pitta, we can start to get Torrey in space and use his speed properly. AJ said that Kubes did so much for him as a WR because before he came to houston all he did was line up in one spot. But Kubiak put him in motion and created matchups to get him the ball more. Torrey had a career year last year with little to no creativity, so just imagine. In this offense Marlon Brown could make great improvements. A guy like Doss or Mellette could really find their role on this team.

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Bingo!!!

This offense is perfect for every one of our offensive weapons and the oline for that matter. High percentage throws for Flacco but also a play designer who creates plays that gets guys in space. The way Foster is used in the pass game is perfect for Rice, the way Owens Daniles is used is perfect for Pitta, we can start to get Torrey in space and use his speed properly. AJ said that Kubes did so much for him as a WR because before he came to houston all he did was line up in one spot. But Kubiak put him in motion and created matchups to get him the ball more. Torrey had a career year last year with little to no creativity, so just imagine. In this offense Marlon Brown could make great improvements. A guy like Doss or Mellette could really find their role on this team.

 

I was thinking the same thing about Doss, and I mentioned it in another thread. Doss could finally reach his potential in this offense.

 

Mellette and Brown would be great as well. 

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I was thinking the same thing about Doss, and I mentioned it in another thread. Doss could finally reach his potential in this offense.

 

Mellette and Brown would be great as well.

Yea Doss really made an impact last year when we allowed him to work in space. Shallow crosses, pick routes, rubs, bunches and others. He was really putting up quality numbers and over a 4-5 game stretch really showed he could be a solid player, nothing special but solid. He's a Kevin Walter type, nothing really special but the system will get him open and plenty of chances, if he's able to get on the field of course.

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Yea Doss really made an impact last year when we allowed him to work in space. Shallow crosses, pick routes, rubs, bunches and others. He was really putting up quality numbers and over a 4-5 game stretch really showed he could be a solid player, nothing special but solid. He's a Kevin Walter type, nothing really special but the system will get him open and plenty of chances, if he's able to get on the field of course.

 

I don't know why we stopped using him, to be honest.  I know Jacoby came back from injury, but we were doing really well with a rotation of guys that do different things.  Doss hardly played at that point.  I still don't understand why people hate him so much.  He turned in a really good season considering he was cut, played well, and then was relegated back to the bench.

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Hopefully, this will be the first time that Joe Flacco and Ray Rice will be used properly in their careers. Both have been misused and abused at different times. It seemed like there were a lot of times when they weren't on the same page. Now, they will be. Ray is not the type of runner who should carry the ball 30 times a game and Joe should not be throwing the ball 50 times a game. We will finally see Joe throw for 4,000 yards with a completion percentage around 65% while Ray gets 2,000 all purpose yards all in the same season. In the past, Joe has been forced to throw deep because the offense was designed to do that and his passing stats were affected adversely. Ray was forced to carry the ball too much at times and was used too sparingly at other times. Fans and pundits were saying that if he carried the ball at least 30 times the Ravens would be winning. The fans and the pundits were wrong. There was no balance. He should be used more like Darren Sproules is used as a all-purpose back who carries the ball approximately 20 times a game but also catches passes out of the backfield. It can be debated long and hard as to whether we are returning to a run-first team but it still appears we'll be a pass-first team to set up the run. Without a big back like Jamal, Willis or Ricky to platoon with Ray, we are not going to be a run-first team, especially in the red zone where a big back can be a dangerous weapon.

 

I believe this is only the first step in revamping the offense. The next step will be getting the right players around Joe in the huddle. If we do, next year should be very exciting. However, I just heard the Dallas Cowboys described as the most dysfunctional team in the league in light of their decision to hire their 3rd OC in three years. So, C'mon Oz!! 

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Bingo!!!

This offense is perfect for every one of our offensive weapons and the oline for that matter. High percentage throws for Flacco but also a play designer who creates plays that gets guys in space. The way Foster is used in the pass game is perfect for Rice, the way Owens Daniles is used is perfect for Pitta, we can start to get Torrey in space and use his speed properly. AJ said that Kubes did so much for him as a WR because before he came to houston all he did was line up in one spot. But Kubiak put him in motion and created matchups to get him the ball more. Torrey had a career year last year with little to no creativity, so just imagine. In this offense Marlon Brown could make great improvements. A guy like Doss or Mellette could really find their role on this team.

That's what we was lacking putting people in motion just so Flacco can get a better read on the D. Andre Johnson was always targeted by the opposing D but yet he always seemed open. Even in SF Boldin was looking wide open in a lot of games. As for the topic whatever is working is what we should be running. It's not rocket science.

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I don't know why we stopped using him, to be honest.  I know Jacoby came back from injury, but we were doing really well with a rotation of guys that do different things.  Doss hardly played at that point.  I still don't understand why people hate him so much.  He turned in a really good season considering he was cut, played well, and then was relegated back to the bench.

Yea, I think Doss and Mellette are the same type players so I can't wait to see them compete for time. Doss is a catch and run, returner type and this offense willl definitely allow him to do that. Double moves off of PA plays, allowing him to work in space will be really good for TD.

I think people hate him becaue he was "quote" hand picked by Joe and he hasn't put up good numbers so far. Our fanbase seems to have issue with the term "development". He played in a offense that didn't suit his skill set, but I think this offense will be really good for him.

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To answer the topic question, I think the Ravens have always been "run-first," but given injuries and a terrible OL, that wasn't the case this season.

 

That being said, I think the running game is going to be back to normal, and probably a lot better/more explosive.

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Kubiak will work to design an offense around what the players do best. I think that he will watch film from the past couple of years to determine the best way to use all the weapons we have on offence. We really have some very good to great players right now. I am not sure we need another WR until we see how what we have works with what Kubiak wants. My guess is offensively we need to straighten up the o-line and get another receiving/blocking TE before we need to consider another receiver. I think that with the talent we already have  - that has been misused - Kubiak can put together a formidable offense. Put that with a great defense we will go far into the playoffs easily. We need that free safety more than we need another receiver. I would like to see what a well designed offense and a good WR coach can do for/with the WRs we have. If we get some receiver out of the first few rounds of the draft, we still can not be sure that he will work well with the speed and size of the NFL.  But to answer your concern we will always need a good run offense it sets up all the rest. We will be balanced and can change what we rely on based on what works at any given time against whatever opponent we face that week. I also think that we will have the kind of offense that will be able to adjust better against what a defense shows us. 

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without a running game we wont be heading anywhere

 

Agreed. Time of possession is so critical in the game today. If you can't control the clock when you're in the lead or close games then it becomes a detriment to your game plan.

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I don't know why we stopped using him, to be honest.  I know Jacoby came back from injury, but we were doing really well with a rotation of guys that do different things.  Doss hardly played at that point.  I still don't understand why people hate him so much.  He turned in a really good season considering he was cut, played well, and then was relegated back to the bench.

i havent even thought of doss and the only time i couldnt stand him was after the horrible preseason he turned in this year, before that i was a supporter the whole way, and even afterhe came back from cuts, i thought thecut would have lit a fire under his bum and made him step up, and it did, but then he fizzled out. i think he can be the guy we have wanted him to be in a kubiak offense. if he can play like he did in that 4-5 game stretch consistently, and if marlon brown can continue to improve, all we need is a true #1 that can do everything, and our role players at WR will skyrocket this offense into something potent. but i still believe with all the speed and size in the world at WR, they will mean nothing if you dont have a guy with very strong routes, excellent hands, and makes catches anywhere on the field, aka a true #1.

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Hopefully, this will be the first time that Joe Flacco and Ray Rice will be used properly in their careers. Both have been misused and abused at different times. It seemed like there were a lot of times when they weren't on the same page. Now, they will be. Ray is not the type of runner who should carry the ball 30 times a game and Joe should not be throwing the ball 50 times a game. We will finally see Joe throw for 4,000 yards with a completion percentage around 65% while Ray gets 2,000 all purpose yards all in the same season. In the past, Joe has been forced to throw deep because the offense was designed to do that and his passing stats were affected adversely. Ray was forced to carry the ball too much at times and was used too sparingly at other times. Fans and pundits were saying that if he carried the ball at least 30 times the Ravens would be winning. The fans and the pundits were wrong. There was no balance. He should be used more like Darren Sproules is used as a all-purpose back who carries the ball approximately 20 times a game but also catches passes out of the backfield. It can be debated long and hard as to whether we are returning to a run-first team but it still appears we'll be a pass-first team to set up the run. Without a big back like Jamal, Willis or Ricky to platoon with Ray, we are not going to be a run-first team, especially in the red zone where a big back can be a dangerous weapon.

 

I believe this is only the first step in revamping the offense. The next step will be getting the right players around Joe in the huddle. If we do, next year should be very exciting. However, I just heard the Dallas Cowboys described as the most dysfunctional team in the league in light of their decision to hire their 3rd OC in three years. So, C'mon Oz!! 

so bernard pierce isnt a big back, but willis mcgahee and ricky williams in their final years were big backs? mcgahee was a wily vet with a strong nose for the endzone, and ricky williams was solid for us, but bernard pierce is one tough dude when hes toting the rock. no RB would have succeeded behind that o-line last year. pierce is that big back, and hes gonna shine as a workhorse in a kubiak system, as long as our line can hold up

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i havent even thought of doss and the only time i couldnt stand him was after the horrible preseason he turned in this year, before that i was a supporter the whole way, and even afterhe came back from cuts, i thought thecut would have lit a fire under his bum and made him step up, and it did, but then he fizzled out. i think he can be the guy we have wanted him to be in a kubiak offense. if he can play like he did in that 4-5 game stretch consistently, and if marlon brown can continue to improve, all we need is a true #1 that can do everything, and our role players at WR will skyrocket this offense into something potent. but i still believe with all the speed and size in the world at WR, they will mean nothing if you dont have a guy with very strong routes, excellent hands, and makes catches anywhere on the field, aka a true #1.

He fizzled out because Jacoby came back, not because of poor performance. Even if it wasn't the same amount of snaps as he was getting, I still think we should've given him some snaps in hopes of keeping that fire rolling. I don't think he's an answer, but I think he's a good reserve option that fell victim to an OC that was committed to Torrey, Marlon, and Jacoby.

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He fizzled out because Jacoby came back, not because of poor performance. Even if it wasn't the same amount of snaps as he was getting, I still think we should've given him some snaps in hopes of keeping that fire rolling. I don't think he's an answer, but I think he's a good reserve option that fell victim to an OC that was committed to Torrey, Marlon, and Jacoby.

i still maintain that doss would havebeen a better option than jacoby as a 2nd wr. id still rather have jacoby on the roster than doss just because in 1/3rd of the snaps he can still have more of an impact as a big playthreat, but as a every down kinda guy id rather see doss out there, his hands and routes are much better

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i still maintain that doss would havebeen a better option than jacoby as a 2nd wr. id still rather have jacoby on the roster than doss just because in 1/3rd of the snaps he can still have more of an impact as a big playthreat, but as a every down kinda guy id rather see doss out there, his hands and routes are much better

I hope he sticks around. I think he's a great fit for Kubiak's offense. He's good in crossing routes, slant routes, pick plays, and finding holes in zone coverage. I think, if he does as well as he did last year in those few games, that he could help open up the deep ball. It would provide better balance other than those low percentage plays constantly.

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We're not trying to be run first or pass first or whatever. We're going to be balanced. We're going to do what works. Kubiak isn't run first. He's balanced. And just lol at run first or pass first. No good offense pigeon holes themselves as run first or pass first. Look at New England. 

 

Yeah, Flacco got a pay day. What does that have to do with our scheme? He got paid because he's a franchise QB. That doesn't mean we're not allowed to run the ball. That doesn't mean Flacco can carry a team that averages 3 yards a carry. Look at the Patriots. They have a great QB in Brady, but they lean on the ground game a lot, more than the media will have you believe. Want an example? AFCCG. Running game didn't work, and the offense fell apart.

 

Texans had the number one passing offense a few years ago, so I don't even see what the point of this thread was. If you're trying to say that running an offense that likes to establish the run and lean on it a bit makes Flacco a waste of money, well, sorry, that's just wrong.

 

This offense is all about balance, doing what works, doing what fits the personnel, and taking advantage of what the defense gives you.

 

I've said this a few times in here myself!  Preach!  lol!

 

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I have no idea what the Ravens are doing.  I'm not sure they know what they want to do.  They went out and drafted a bunch of receivers for Flacco.... and now it appears they will be trying to go back to a running-first offense with Kubiak.

 

 

Um, what? We haven't drafted that many receivers for Flacco. Torrey and Pitta have been the only ones that produced. 

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I hope he sticks around. I think he's a great fit for Kubiak's offense. He's good in crossing routes, slant routes, pick plays, and finding holes in zone coverage. I think, if he does as well as he did last year in those few games, that he could help open up the deep ball. It would provide better balance other than those low percentage plays constantly.

Yea don't forget about Doss in the return game. He isn't as dynamic as Coby but he's definitely good enough to be the guy. I completely agree with his usage in this offense. There is a really good article in the Sun about Kubiak's offense and I think it'll answer a lot of questions people have.

This offense deals with so much misdirection and run action that guys like Doss will live in space. The talent on this offense will finally be used and I can't wait. Doss, Mellette, Furstenburg, Juice, even Marlon Bown and Torrey will be used better. Rice and Pierce will have so much more success imo, simply because they won't just be last resorts in the pass game but their be featured with screens, flares, option routes, wheel routes and much more.

I'm like a kid on Christmas right now. For years I've been wishing ill will on the Texans so they would fire Kubiak and we hire him. Now we have that offense and it's time to roll. Plus I think this offense will be much better then what he had in Houston, because we have much better talent, mainly at the QB. This offense made Schuab look better but it'll allow Flacco to soar imo.

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so bernard pierce isnt a big back, but willis mcgahee and ricky williams in their final years were big backs? mcgahee was a wily vet with a strong nose for the endzone, and ricky williams was solid for us, but bernard pierce is one tough dude when hes toting the rock. no RB would have succeeded behind that o-line last year. pierce is that big back, and hes gonna shine as a workhorse in a kubiak system, as long as our line can hold up

 

I'm glad your confident that Bernard Pierce is the big back we need. I'm not and I'm certainly not ready to compare Pierce with Lewis, McGahee or Williams. It may have been a mistake to give up on Bobby Rainey when we did. We'll just have to wait and see. The jury is still out but Rainey had a pretty good year with the Bucs, didn't he? Hmmm, there's that talent evaluator factor again! 

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I'm glad your confident that Bernard Pierce is the big back we need. I'm not and I'm certainly not ready to compare Pierce with Lewis, McGahee or Williams. It may have been a mistake to give up on Bobby Rainey when we did. We'll just have to wait and see. The jury is still out but Rainey had a pretty good year with the Bucs, didn't he? Hmmm, there's that talent evaluator factor again! 

 

1. We clearly didn't have room for Rainey. It wasn't a matter of talent evaluation, it was a matter of evaluating what position we needed more depth at.

 

2. We didn't have a good line. Rainey would not have had success behind our line. 

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I'm glad your confident that Bernard Pierce is the big back we need. I'm not and I'm certainly not ready to compare Pierce with Lewis, McGahee or Williams. It may have been a mistake to give up on Bobby Rainey when we did. We'll just have to wait and see. The jury is still out but Rainey had a pretty good year with the Bucs, didn't he? Hmmm, there's that talent evaluator factor again! 

bobby rainey is sorry and he had 2 decent games with tampa and he averaged like 40 ypg aside from those 2. also he definitely isnt a "big back" type of player youre looking for, hes a ray rice clone(the ray rice of 2013) 

 

i dont understand how ravens fans see him on the fantasy scoreboard a few times and start calling for peoples heads because we cut him. i wouldve rather kept anthony allen because at least when he saw the field on special teams he made a difference

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A year after signing Flacco to a huge contract basically stating "he is the man, he is our offensive leader.... the Ravens sign an offensive coordinator who built his offense around a stron running game using the fullback position more than most.

I have no idea what the Ravens are doing.  I'm not sure they know what they want to do.  They went out and drafted a bunch of receivers for Flacco.... and now it appears they will be trying to go back to a running-first offense with Kubiak.

Ravens looked to be completely done with Leach, and now it looks like they will be keeping him around.  Those dollars take away money to help rebuild the offensive line that everyone blamed this past season.

And does anyone EVER believe a play-fake that Flacco runs?  That's kind of a big part of Kubiaks offense.  I haven't seen Flacco sell a fake that's even half believable

People immediately say "Texans had a top 5 offense 3 out of the last 5 years.... but don't look at everything else.

I guess the positive is... they got this done relatively early.  And the offense can't really go anywhere but up, right?

 

If Leach is a part of the plan to help them win then they will and should keep him. As for the OL, everyone wondered why loosing Birk made all others suddenly below average. Birk was a good Center but him leaving was not the entire reason the OL became so bad. They were also bad before Osemele left on injury. The problem had much to do with the coaching change there. I expect changes in personnel but not as much as some  think.

 

After the FO did an evaluation of the season, having a strong run game is what they feel is the best way for Joe and the team to win and I agree. Looking at the final four playoff teams, all have a good QB, Running game, and Passing game, along with a good defense. 

 

The goal is to build a solid team that includes an offense that can attack in a variety of ways. Run first, doesn't mean the team will always run on first down or two out of three times. They still need top production from the WRs and TEs and I think the goal is to see production from them too.

 

FInally, looking at Kubiak and the supporting coaches brought over from Houston I understand the FO's evaluation in choosing Kubiak over the other candidates. They looked at the total package.

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Yea don't forget about Doss in the return game. He isn't as dynamic as Coby but he's definitely good enough to be the guy. I completely agree with his usage in this offense. There is a really good article in the Sun about Kubiak's offense and I think it'll answer a lot of questions people have.

This offense deals with so much misdirection and run action that guys like Doss will live in space. The talent on this offense will finally be used and I can't wait. Doss, Mellette, Furstenburg, Juice, even Marlon Bown and Torrey will be used better. Rice and Pierce will have so much more success imo, simply because they won't just be last resorts in the pass game but their be featured with screens, flares, option routes, wheel routes and much more.

I'm like a kid on Christmas right now. For years I've been wishing ill will on the Texans so they would fire Kubiak and we hire him. Now we have that offense and it's time to roll. Plus I think this offense will be much better then what he had in Houston, because we have much better talent, mainly at the QB. This offense made Schuab look better but it'll allow Flacco to soar imo.

 

I Second, that emotion!

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bobby rainey is sorry and he had 2 decent games with tampa and he averaged like 40 ypg aside from those 2. also he definitely isnt a "big back" type of player youre looking for, hes a ray rice clone(the ray rice of 2013) 

 

i dont understand how ravens fans see him on the fantasy scoreboard a few times and start calling for peoples heads because we cut him. i wouldve rather kept anthony allen because at least when he saw the field on special teams he made a difference

 

That's why you get paid the big bucks. You're the expert! Let's see. How many big games did Ray Rice or Bernard Pierce have last year. In the two games you cited, Bobby Rainey's production exceeded Ray's and Bernard's together. But you are right. I'm  looking for a back like Marshon Lynch. I don't care if he doesn't like to talk to media as long as he runs over, under, around and through the defense, especially down near the goal line. It would also be nice if he could throw a block now and then to keep his QB clean. So, I'll take being really sick in two games over sorry for an entire season, which is what our backs were.

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