Week 15 - Pittsburgh Steelers At Baltimore Ravens

[Stover4Prez]

[quote name='neepo13' post='105188' date='Dec 14 2008, 04:48 PM']B.S. We didnt get a TD out of a ref screw up.[/quote]


We also didn't get a TD because Joe went 11/28 115 and 2 picks.

We didn't get a field goal because we let the defense through and sack Joe out of field goal range.

We didn't get a win because we let them drive 90 yards in 2:30 and win the game.

I love our team, and I'll be the first to support Joe as our QB. But we got beat today. Be a big enough person to admit when you get beat. Play that game again tomorrow and the outcome is different. Win out and we are in the playoffs. We'll see the Steelers again on the way to the super bowl and prove it when the chips are down.

Warden, good game. See you in January (if you make it that far!)

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravens fan 123' post='105217' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:53 PM']dont critizise me i just like winning more than you i hate lossing games like this the ravens always loss games like this and sense i like winning it doesn't fit to good with me. I mean if you notice have i said i will change and be a steelers or a giants fan no. I just wish my home team could be good and win games like this . because we loss way to many games like this .[/quote]

Did you truely expect them win 9 games this year?

[FerrariFan87]

Well, the STEALERS were handed this one today by: #1: Cam Cameron's awful, predictable play-calling
#2: The Zebras

[neepo13]

[quote name='thewarden86' post='105214' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:53 PM']NO Dave, i have a major case. I merely mentioned [u]two plays [/u]that had a major impact on the entire game. I was pissed from the opening kickoff and when I finally let it go, it happened again. I'm sorry if you guys feel you were wronged but don't think for a second that it was one sided.[/quote]

Nobody is saying it is one sided. At the end of the day if the Ravens had won, you couldnt look at either of those plays and say that lead directly to the lost. We have a play that we can say led directly to the loss and it was questionable. The refs should not have that type of impact on a game.

[iketaylor]

MY GOD about 99% of you are just pathetic. WAHHHHHHH THE REFS WON THE GAME WAHHH. Are you kidding me? Like the Ravens didnt have their chances? Flacco fumbling that football out of field goal range must have been the refs fault huh? Or how about when the refs called a weak personal foul on Jeff Reed after a PAT. Gave you guys 15 extra yards to try to make a game winning drive happen right there. Look I hate the Ravens, but that is not why im here. Im here because i HATE people who cry and whine about refs losing a game for them. REFS HAVE NEVER WON OR LOST A TEAM A GAME. EVER. There are hundreds of plays during a game that decide wins and losses, refs only influence a few of those. So to all you Baltimore fans, the refs didnt win, if you are being a good sport about this then i respect you, but if youre not, stop crying about the refs.

[Stover4Prez]

[quote name='neepo13' post='105207' date='Dec 14 2008, 04:51 PM']If we lost just based on how we played, there would be no complaining but that last call by the refs was completely bogus. Thats why everyone is ticked.[/quote]

It was questionable and can be argued from both sides. But the Steelers should NEVER have been that close to start with and I'm convinced they would have gone for it and made it on 4th and goal. So I think we had the best chance of winning with the call that was made.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='iketaylor' post='105233' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:56 PM']MY GOD about 99% of you are just pathetic. WAHHHHHHH THE REFS WON THE GAME WAHHH. Are you kidding me? Like the Ravens didnt have their chances? Flacco fumbling that football out of field goal range must have been the refs fault huh? Or how about when the refs called a weak personal foul on Jeff Reed after a PAT. Gave you guys 15 extra yards to try to make a game winning drive happen right there. Look I hate the Ravens, but that is not why im here. Im here because i HATE people who cry and whine about refs losing a game for them. REFS HAVE NEVER WON OR LOST A TEAM A GAME. EVER. There are hundreds of plays during a game that decide wins and losses, refs only influence a few of those. So to all you Baltimore fans, the refs didnt win, if you are being a good sport about this then i respect you, but if youre not, stop crying about the refs.[/quote]

Haha, regarding the Reed personal foul, that's called a MAKE-UP call because he knew he screwed us the call prior... The "Refs have never won or lost a team a game. Ever." Are you seriously THAT delusional?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='PuRock' post='105199' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:49 PM']I appreciate that Warden. But you're going to hear a lot about the refs. Usually I give the credit to the refs. But even I am having trouble right now.[/quote]


Alright, I see how upset you guys are. I'm going to take off for the day so you all can vent and none of us gets offended. Again, I'm sorry you guys are hurting. The Ravens are every bit as good as advertised. I hope you all remember that. G'night, talk to you all during the week.

[svt2nv04]

I think NBC will be talking about the refs call after the commercial break. They mentioned a "controversial call at the end of the game". I think they said it's coming up after the break.

[Ravnet]

We're a year away, calm down. I know it's hard to accept, but it's probably the truth.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='iketaylor' post='105233' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:56 PM']REFS HAVE NEVER WON OR LOST A TEAM A GAME. EVER.[/quote]

Ed Hochuli... END OF DISCUSSION.

[Ravens52]

Here's some good news: We hold a wild card spot still

Here's the bad news: We play the cowboys next week with there final home game. Oh yeah, on primetime too

[neepo13]

[quote name='Stover4Prez' post='105237' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:57 PM']It was questionable and can be argued from both sides. But the Steelers should NEVER have been that close to start with and [b]I'm convinced they would have gone for it and made it on 4th and goal.[/b] So I think we had the best chance of winning with the call that was made.[/quote]

We will never know, now will we? If they had and they won, fine. But they didnt they won on A VERY VERY questionable call by the ref. The refs should never have that much impact on a game. Period. I'd rather they had scored straight up and beat us, rather then have the refs overturn a call that they shouldnt have to give them the win.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='105247' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:59 PM']We're a year away, calm down. I know it's hard to accept, but it's probably the truth.[/quote]
Yeah but if we get honest calls, then we could be there this year. Thats the point. Losing the game because of a few bad calls doesn't mean we're a year away, it means we got hosed.

I understand where warden and others are coming from, because if we had won, then we wouldn't be saying ya refs won us the game... but its hard to not see it from our side as well, especially when both plays we're reviewed

[iketaylor]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='105251' date='Dec 14 2008, 07:59 PM']Ed Hochuli... END OF DISCUSSION.[/quote]

Obviously some of you MORONS dont understand the fact that a football game is 60 minutes long. ONE PLAY DOES NOT DECIDE A GAME. JUST BECAUSE THE RAVENS COULDNT COVER HOLMES ON THE LAST PLAY DOESNT MEAN THEY COULDNT HAVE SCORED EARLIER TO TAKE OUT THE STEELERS GAME WINNING DRIVE. God, MOST of you people are morons.

[Stover4Prez]

[quote name='neepo13' post='105257' date='Dec 14 2008, 05:01 PM']We will never know, now will we? If they had and they won, fine. But they didnt they won on A VERY VERY questionable call by the ref. The refs should never have that much impact on a game. Period. I'd rather they had scored straight up and beat us, rather then have the refs overturn a call that they shouldnt have to give them the win.[/quote]


I think they did beat us. Can't stop a 90 yard drive with 3 minutes left on the clock? We had plenty of chances and didn't capitalize.

[macbrak]

The problem is by definition if there is any doubt the call stands. Thats the rule we been burned by it before.

[svt2nv04]

Maybe they're not.

[MKdave]

[quote name='iketaylor' post='105261' date='Dec 15 2008, 01:02 AM']... JUST BECAUSE THE RAVENS COULDNT COVER HOLMES ON THE LAST PLAY[/quote]
No, you ****, we DID cover Holmes, we stopped him at the one on 3rd down!
Think before you speak in future.

[Stover4Prez]

[quote name='iketaylor' post='105261' date='Dec 14 2008, 05:02 PM']Obviously some of you MORONS dont understand the fact that a football game is 60 minutes long. ONE PLAY DOES NOT DECIDE A GAME. JUST BECAUSE THE RAVENS COULDNT COVER HOLMES ON THE LAST PLAY DOESNT MEAN THEY COULDNT HAVE SCORED EARLIER TO TAKE OUT THE STEELERS GAME WINNING DRIVE. God, MOST of you people are morons.[/quote]


Easy there Ike. I don't think you need to be calling people morons. How about we keep to the subject and stay away from the personal attacks.

While today I don't feel directly decided the game, the Hochuli call at the beginning of the season absolutely did. The call is correct, the game is over. It is a fact.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='105260' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:02 PM']Yeah but if we get honest calls, then we could be there this year. Thats the point. Losing the game because of a few bad calls doesn't mean we're a year away, it means we got hosed.

I understand where warden and others are coming from, because if we had won, then we wouldn't be saying ya refs won us the game... but its hard to not see it from our side as well, especially when both plays we're reviewed[/quote]

But the calls don't matter. The bottom line is that Flacco isn't playing at the level a playoff quarterback should be. Even if we had gotten some calls that had favored our defense, the fact remains that our offense was still incredibly stagnant.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='iketaylor' post='105261' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:02 PM']Obviously some of you MORONS dont understand the fact that a football game is 60 minutes long. ONE PLAY DOES NOT DECIDE A GAME. JUST BECAUSE THE RAVENS COULDNT COVER HOLMES ON THE LAST PLAY DOESNT MEAN THEY COULDNT HAVE SCORED EARLIER TO TAKE OUT THE STEELERS GAME WINNING DRIVE. God, MOST of you people are morons.[/quote]
Thats not our point. The point is, there are plays that make or break a game for both teams, if one of those plays is different, then the games outcome is opposite.

The Ed Hochuli play cost the chargers the game. yeah, they could have won the game earlier, but the fact is, that was the defining play and they got screwed out of another chance to win the game like they should have.

BTW, just because we see something differently doesnt make anyone here a moron, no need to be low and disrespectful on the boards.

[Stover4Prez]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='105275' date='Dec 14 2008, 05:05 PM']But the calls don't matter. The bottom line is that Flacco isn't playing at the level a playoff quarterback should be. Even if we had gotten some calls that had favored our defense, the fact remains that our offense was still incredibly stagnant.[/quote]


Completely agree. That call should have had NO affect on the game because we should have been up by 2 scores at that point.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='macbrak' post='105266' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:03 PM']The problem is by definition if there is any doubt the call stands. Thats the rule we been burned by it before.[/quote]
So there wasn't any doubt on that td play???? because the announcers sure sounded like they were in doubt about it. If its in doubt, then it shouldn't be overturned, but at least be fair with it.

[SuggsNotDrugs]

You have to be kidding me when you say "the refs didn't cost anyone the game"! Now I'm all for fairness, and refs should not be blamed, [i]unless[/i] they blow calls that have a significant impact on the outcome of the game. The first call happened in the second quarter when the Ravens stopped the run on third down. The play was ruled a first down, which Harbaugh challenged, and despite various angles showing clear stoppage short of the first down marker, the call stood. The announcers were even shocked! That first down led the Steelers to a FG, which in this game is HUGE!

We've talked plenty about the final call, and regardless of wether you think it was fair or not, the call on the field was NO TD, which was overturned by review from the box. Couple that with the fact the Ravens lost their challenge, and what can you do? How can you win when refs will not give you a call, yet they'll reverse a controversial game-winning call in favor of the Steelers?

"Can't do it! Can't win with them, can't play with them, can't do it!"

I know that quote was about Vernon Davis, but I still think it applies!!!!

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='105275' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:05 PM']But the calls don't matter. The bottom line is that Flacco isn't playing at the level a playoff quarterback should be. Even if we had gotten some calls that had favored our defense, the fact remains that our offense was still incredibly stagnant.[/quote]
LOL the calls do matter, theyre part of the game. Thats like saying if there is a pass interference call that is NOT made, then the pass gets picked, you say it shouldn't matter because he shouldnt throw picks.

Calls matter, I agree we should have won this game earlier but we got screwed out of the game

[neepo13]

[quote name='Stover4Prez' post='105265' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:03 PM']I think they did beat us. Can't stop a 90 yard drive with 3 minutes left on the clock? We had plenty of chances and didn't capitalize.[/quote]

So, there was enough evidence to overturn that call? He was CLEARLY in? Is that what you are saying? Again, had they gotten in without a question, I wouldnt care but they didnt. They got a TD on a call that should not have been overturned.

[SuggsNotDrugs]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='105275' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:05 PM']But the calls don't matter. The bottom line is that Flacco isn't playing at the level a playoff quarterback should be. Even if we had gotten some calls that had favored our defense, the fact remains that our offense was still incredibly stagnant.[/quote]


Everyone forgets he's a rookie apparently. He was playing to not lose the game. He wasn't trying to be flashy, he wasn't trying to risk turnovers. The way he was playing should have won us the game. Sims said it himself "sometimes you have to win ugly, and Flacco is learning how to win ugly."

You take the mentality that you always have to be making the plays, and always going for maximum points and you become a Kyle Boller, gun slinging turn over machine. Flacco didn't lose the game, and THAT is what he was there for. He wasn't going to win it for us, but he made sure he didn't lose it either. Give the guy a break, he's gotten us this far, he can't do anything about what the refs did to us

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='105298' date='Dec 14 2008, 08:09 PM']LOL the calls do matter, theyre part of the game. Thats like saying if there is a pass interference call that is NOT made, then the pass gets picked, you say it shouldn't matter because he shouldnt throw picks.

Calls matter, I agree we should have won this game earlier but we got screwed out of the game[/quote]

I mean of course they matter, but the point is that Flacco clearly isn't good enough for the playoffs, so it's trivial to argue over calls made today when, in the long run, we're not good enough.

[svt2nv04]

They're talking about it right now on NBC guys