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Should extending Jimmy Smith and Torrey Smith be other priorities this offseason?

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Jimmy Smith emerged as a great CB this season and is poised to continue to get better

he will be a FA following this coming season, if he puts up another season like the one he just put up, he may be too expensive after next season

so, should we lock him up now? or wait and take our chances after next season

 

Torrey Smith has become our #1 receiver this season eclipsing 1100 yards, the second most yards in a single season in Ravens history, and the first Raven receiver to break 1000 yards since Mason in 2009 

he is set to make a big contract after next season, especially if he puts up big numbers again

 

Extending both could pay off or be horrible moves, there is obviously some risk involved. Paying them now will mean that we wont be able to hang on to as many players because of cap, we may have to say good bye to a few more players than we want to, but I think it would pay off long term to go ahead and extend these guys while they won't cost insane money, waiting also involves big risk if these two mimic their success from this season

I understand that we already have our back against the cap at the moment and we still need to resign a couple players, but as I see it - the only absolutely must sign player is Monroe.

Pitta and Jones will be sorely missed, but letting them walk won't make as big an impact as letting Monroe walk. People say that we don't do enough to help Flacco out, resigning Torrey would be huge for Flacco. And locking Jimmy up will greatly enhance our secondary for years to come, in my opinion, there is more risk with extending Jimmy than Torrey, but I think Jimmy will continue his great play and this year wasn't just a fluke.

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I'm not sure we get to keep either.  They have the same agent, and it's the sleaziest agent in the business.  Rosenhaus won't settle for small deals, and the Ravens aren't going to overpay these guys.

 

But I don't think we're going to worry about them until next off-season.  Too many other concerns at the moment.

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I think they're going to do their best to get something done with Torrey before this season begins, and wait on Jimmy until next offseason.  When you look at our 2015 free agents, the only guys that matter right now are Torrey, Jimmy, and Suggs.  Suggs will almost certainly be handled this offseason.  If you can knock one of the Smiths out soon, next offseason's focus should really only be on the other Smith.

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Jimmy will be the best player on this team In a few years time. Key cog to our future success. Torrey, I'm in the offer him a deal probably wants more and will move on camp
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Jimmy will be the best player on this team In a few years time. Key cog to our future success. Torrey, I'm in the offer him a deal probably wants more and will move on camp

Torrey doesn't really strike me as that type of guy, he won't want top receiver money, well he will WANT it, but he won't demand it, he doesn't seem like the Mike Wallace type, more like the Fitzgerald type, the humble guy that will only ask for what he's earned and won't demand a huge contract

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Torrey doesn't really strike me as that type of guy, he won't want top receiver money, well he will WANT it, but he won't demand it, he doesn't seem like the Mike Wallace type, more like the Fitzgerald type, the humble guy that will only ask for what he's earned and won't demand a huge contract

didnt fitz get the biggest wideout deal in history when he signed his?

And regards torrey you realise who his agent is correct?
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IMO yes...... Jimmy will only get better and Torrey is still a dangerous threat to get behing the defense but we just need to a possession WR in here to work the middle while Torrey goes deep. Losing those two will be a set back at the positions to me.

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I'm not sure we get to keep either. They have the same agent, and it's the sleaziest agent in the business. Rosenhaus won't settle for small deals, and the Ravens aren't going to overpay these guys.

But I don't think we're going to worry about them until next off-season. Too many other concerns at the moment.


That would be Joe Linta. Never had a agent talk so much crap about ravens in my life. He needs to be banned from ever doing business w/ ravens
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I remember when what seemed like the majority of the board gave up on Jimmy.

but not me, even drafted him in our little game! lol...

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I remember when what seemed like the majority of the board gave up on Jimmy.

 

yup things change fast.

 

both should be extended and chances are both will.

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I remember when what seemed like the majority of the board gave up on Jimmy.

The board was justified in giving up on Jimmy after watching him consistently eat shake and bake the first couple seasons.  Nobody wished failure on him.  He did it to himself.  Now he's a become a premier back for the defense.  Who wouldn't be happy for him?  He did very well this year and I look forward to seeing him get better.

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The board was justified in giving up on Jimmy after watching him consistently eat shake and bake the first couple seasons. Nobody wished failure on him. He did it to himself. Now he's a become a premier back for the defense. Who wouldn't be happy for him? He did very well this year and I look forward to seeing him get better.

I respectfully disagree that giving up on him was justified.
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Hopefully we can get some sort of hometown discount w/ Torrey.  He's from this area, all of his family is in this area, and the Ravens have been nothing but great to him.

 

Of course, with his agent, that could all go to hell in a hand basket very quickly.  But a boy can dream, right?

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Resign jimmy now. Torrey after we find out what he can do with guys beside him he needs a procession wr to get open. Yes he had 1000 yards but was targeted over 70 times. we get a wr to play along side him like If we can get Evans. Jimmy is shut down material.
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Lock up Jimmy, negotiate with Torrey but don't pay him yet. Not until he proves he can consistently do something other than nine routes.

 

You can get fast undrafted guys to run nine routes and lead the NFL in drops, just saying. Until Torrey proves he can develop his game and remain consistent, we should not give him big money.

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I respectfully disagree that giving up on him was justified.

Just to clarify, I don't think anyone expected an MVP performance out the gate.  I just think a lot of fans were disappointed with seeing a "1st round" draft pick struggle to Jimmy's extent.  I think that's what hurt perceptions of him the most.  Had he been a later round pick, I don't think early criticisms of him would've been as frequent or as harsh.  That being said, Jimmy deserves every ounce of praise he's gotten this past season.  I vote to extend Jimmy over Torrey by a slim margin.  Torrey started the year on a fast track but kind of tapered off at the end.  Jimmy was consistent for the most part.

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My thing about Jimmy, and I don't mean to be negative is he's really bad at off coverage.

 

So much so it concerns moving him at LCB because he'd see so much motion it would limit his effectiveness.

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My thing about Jimmy, and I don't mean to be negative is he's really bad at off coverage.

 

So much so it concerns moving him at LCB because he'd see so much motion it would limit his effectiveness.

 

Not this year. He still struggles in zone but he actually played a lot better in off man this year.

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If like to have at least one of them locked up. Jimmy preferably.

I would prefer Torrey Smith. Though they both had good years last year, Torrey's was slightly better, and we have much less depth at WR than CB.

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I would prefer Torrey Smith. Though they both had good years last year, Torrey's was slightly better, and we have much less depth at WR than CB.

I disagree that Torrey had a better year. I can understand signing him over Jimmy out of desperation(lack of a better word) but Jimmy's the better player. #1 CB > #2 WR.
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Wouldn't extending Jimmy likely mean being forced to cut Webb? Not that I would be against that because Jimmy is clearly the better long-term investment at this point but it's just something to think about. 

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I disagree that Torrey had a better year. I can understand signing him over Jimmy out of desperation(lack of a better word) but Jimmy's the better player. #1 CB > #2 WR.


Jimmy definitely had the better year, but I think they'll wait on him to see if he can do it again.
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Jimmy definitely had the better year, but I think they'll wait on him to see if he can do it again.

Yeah that's what we normally seem to do. I just think he'll be worth more and get top dollar on the market if we wait. Hopefully both never get to explore free agency. It's going to be tough but I want them both back.
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Have we ever given a player an extension who had years left on their rookie deal? I don't think we have. I seem to recall this topic coming up before and it is Ozzie's philosophy not to do it. Some teams historically do do this (the Eagles for example) but the Ravens don't.

 

I love Torrey and want him locked up but there is a very good chance we take a WR with our 1st round pick this year. If that player performs well and Marlon Brown improves next year it would give us leverage in negotiations with Torrey. Right now Torrey has all the leverage.

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Yeah that's what we normally seem to do. I just think he'll be worth more and get top dollar on the market if we wait. Hopefully both never get to explore free agency. It's going to be tough but I want them both back.

 

Yeah I'd rather lock him up now because I think the Jimmy we saw last year is the one we'll get going forward.  However, there's always the possibility that it's not.  Jimmy has 1 year of good play under his belt, and while Torrey fell off at the end of the season, he's shown a bit more consistency year to year.  I think we have to do our best to lock at least 1 of them up before the 2014 season.  I'd be fine with either one.  I just think the Ravens prefer to lock up Torrey first.

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Jimmy Smith emerged as a great CB this season and is poised to continue to get better

he will be a FA following this coming season, if he puts up another season like the one he just put up, he may be too expensive after next season

so, should we lock him up now? or wait and take our chances after next season

 

Torrey Smith has become our #1 receiver this season eclipsing 1100 yards, the second most yards in a single season in Ravens history, and the first Raven receiver to break 1000 yards since Mason in 2009 

he is set to make a big contract after next season, especially if he puts up big numbers again

 

Extending both could pay off or be horrible moves, there is obviously some risk involved. Paying them now will mean that we wont be able to hang on to as many players because of cap, we may have to say good bye to a few more players than we want to, but I think it would pay off long term to go ahead and extend these guys while they won't cost insane money, waiting also involves big risk if these two mimic their success from this season

I understand that we already have our back against the cap at the moment and we still need to resign a couple players, but as I see it - the only absolutely must sign player is Monroe.

Pitta and Jones will be sorely missed, but letting them walk won't make as big an impact as letting Monroe walk. People say that we don't do enough to help Flacco out, resigning Torrey would be huge for Flacco. And locking Jimmy up will greatly enhance our secondary for years to come, in my opinion, there is more risk with extending Jimmy than Torrey, but I think Jimmy will continue his great play and this year wasn't just a fluke.

They will probably play out the final year on their contracts and we will see where they are from their. If we sign them now and they flop next season or take a step back than it would be a bad thing. They both still need a bit more development but are coming along great.

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Wow ladies and gents are we seriously considering letting Jimmy and Torrey walk?

 

For what? Who on this team is worth seeing one of your best corners and your best receiver walk?  

 

I would rather start over at every other position on the field, then to let them walk.  Minus QB.  

 

Haloti and Suggs and Ray Rice would have to be first. 

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Wouldn't hurt to negotiate with Torrey seeing as it's his last year but Jimmy has only did it one year out of three and he needs to do it again
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Wouldn't extending Jimmy likely mean being forced to cut Webb? Not that I would be against that because Jimmy is clearly the better long-term investment at this point but it's just something to think about. 

why would that mean we would have to cut Webb? that makes no sense, we just signed him to a huge contract a year or two ago, he is locked up until 2018, cutting him would have a gigantic cap hit, having to let Suggs go might happen, but Webb? no

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http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/cap-hit/2015/

 

We should have plenty of cap space in 2015 to at least get one if not both of the Smithses. However, money is going to be real tight if we try to keep this team together, so we have to have an expectation that some will not return.

 

Key Free Agents:

 

2014:

Eugene Monroe - top target of our 2014 free agency

Dennis Pitta - He might have to take a low-risk one year dal to rebuild his value, unles he gets the money he wants

Arthur Jones - He had a breakout year, but we have plenty of depth to cover his loss

Daryl Smith - He' past his 30s, but LBs can still play at a high level during that age, but he might get at most a 2 year deal

 

2015:

Jimmy Smith - He's turning into a shutdown corner that we drafted him to be, but that market value might be too much

Torrey Smith - I think we can afford Torrey Smith's contract around Antonio Brown's price ($8.392M per ear)

Pernell McPhee - He's in a contract year and is going to go all out to get consideration for a big contract

Tyrod Taylor - He's a back-up QB at this point, but does he want to start somewhere?

Chykie Brown - He turned out to be a serviceable cornerback

Justin Tucker (RFA) - He's probably going to get a 2nd rounder, cause teams don't throw 2nd rounders at kickers these days

 

2016:

Marshal Yanda - He will be 32 by then, but All-Pro guards can play well into their 30s

Kelechi Osemele - We all saw a glimpse of his dominance and could force us to choose him over Yanda due to age

Justin Tucker - If he gets a tender in 2015

Bernard Pierce - I doubt he gets a big contract due to his injury-proness

Courtney Upshaw - He's been a serviceable Run defender, since he doesn't really get so many sacks, he could come cheap

Haloti Ngata - I doubt we extend Ngata's contract due to his age and declie

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Jimmy yes, Torrey no. It is rare to get a corner of Jimmy caliber and potential (top ten potential, top 12-15 currently). Torrey isn't even a true #1 wr. He's not a true #2 either however. Jimmy will become a franchise cornerstone for our defense, while Torrey will be a good, not great player, nothing against him, but his a one trick pony. You got to pair torrey with a more physical wr that will run the inside route for him to be effective.

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Jimmy Smith is a really good corner with size... maybe not this year but sometime down the road. Torrey Smith will definitely be a raven for life. 

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Jimmy Smith emerged as a great CB this season and is poised to continue to get better

he will be a FA following this coming season, if he puts up another season like the one he just put up, he may be too expensive after next season

so, should we lock him up now? or wait and take our chances after next season

 

Torrey Smith has become our #1 receiver this season eclipsing 1100 yards, the second most yards in a single season in Ravens history, and the first Raven receiver to break 1000 yards since Mason in 2009 

he is set to make a big contract after next season, especially if he puts up big numbers again

 

Extending both could pay off or be horrible moves, there is obviously some risk involved. Paying them now will mean that we wont be able to hang on to as many players because of cap, we may have to say good bye to a few more players than we want to, but I think it would pay off long term to go ahead and extend these guys while they won't cost insane money, waiting also involves big risk if these two mimic their success from this season

I understand that we already have our back against the cap at the moment and we still need to resign a couple players, but as I see it - the only absolutely must sign player is Monroe.

Pitta and Jones will be sorely missed, but letting them walk won't make as big an impact as letting Monroe walk. People say that we don't do enough to help Flacco out, resigning Torrey would be huge for Flacco. And locking Jimmy up will greatly enhance our secondary for years to come, in my opinion, there is more risk with extending Jimmy than Torrey, but I think Jimmy will continue his great play and this year wasn't just a fluke.

I  have a feeling if Torrey doesnt sign for no. 2 moneythen he's going to walk and get overpaid somewhere else. He's like in the middle of a no. 1 and no.2 reciever its hard to explain. It would be a shame because everyone loves Torrey. I really hope we lock him up for the long run. And for Jimmy, I would love to resign him. It would take some dancing around the cap and we still really dont know what kind of player he is yet. This past season was his only good one. Also im not sure how Ozzie feels about having 2 corners with big contracts. They have had a lot of succes with no name free agent corners so who knows.

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