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Ravens that can be considered the best ever

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On this Saturday, I was rather bored and got to thinking if I was able to put together a team that involved every player in NFL history, who would I take with my first pick. Then it became clear that without a doubt I would take Ray Lewis with my top pick, which would set my defense and organization straight almost two decades.  Then I began thinking of other Ravens I would put on my team and I was actually impressed with how many we had that can already be in the conversation of best ever (at their position.) So if I had a choice at ever player in NFL history, this is how I'd want my team to end up looking.

 

QB: Peyton Manning

RB: Barry Sanders/ AP (this is a toss up)

FB: Jim Brown

WR1: Jerry Rice

WR2: Randy Moss

TE: Shannon Sharpe

LT: OGDEN

LG: Randall McDaniel

C: Bruce Matthews

RG: Will Shields

RT: Anthony Munoz 

 

LE: Reggie White

NT: Warren Sapp

RE: John Randle

LOLB: LT

MIKE: RAY LEWIS

TED: Mike Singletary

ROLB: DT

CB1: Deion Sanders

CB2: Champ Bailey

FS: ED REED

SS: Sean Taylor

 

So out of 22 starters, 3 Ravens can be considered the best ever at their positions.  To think that that is the case after only being a franchise since 96' is amazing.  I also think if Suggs and Ngata put together a couple more solid seasons, by the time they retire, they will be seen as top 10 at their positions.  Just makes you think how great it is to be a fan, among all the doom and gloom that has been going on in these forums.  

 

Who is on your starting team? And how many are Ravens?

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No Ronnie Lott?  I loved Sean Taylor and he could have been one of the all time greats, but Ronnie Lott encapsulates what a SS is.

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And considering the Franchise is only about 17 years old????  I think that's pretty good... 

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Here's who I have different from your list.

 

QB - tossup between Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana

WR2 - Calvin Johnson

Slot WR - Don Hutson

TE - Tony Gonzales

LG - Larry Allen

 

RDE - Bruce Smith

CB2 - Darrell Green

SS - Ronnie Lott

 

KR/PR - Gale Sayers

 

Who is DT for ROLB? Derrick Thomas? If so, then I agree.

For RB, I'd go Barry Sanders over Adrian Peterson though you can't really go wrong with either one.

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On this Saturday, I was rather bored and got to thinking if I was able to put together a team that involved every player in NFL history, who would I take with my first pick. Then it became clear that without a doubt I would take Ray Lewis with my top pick, which would set my defense and organization straight almost two decades.  Then I began thinking of other Ravens I would put on my team and I was actually impressed with how many we had that can already be in the conversation of best ever (at their position.) So if I had a choice at ever player in NFL history, this is how I'd want my team to end up looking.

 

QB: Peyton Manning

RB: Barry Sanders/ AP (this is a toss up)

FB: Jim Brown

WR1: Jerry Rice

WR2: Randy Moss

TE: Ozzie 

LT: OGDEN

LG: Randall McDaniel

C: Bruce Matthews

RG: Will Shields

RT: Anthony Munoz 

 

LE: Reggie White

NT: Warren Sapp

RE: John Randle

LOLB: LT

MIKE: RAY LEWIS

TED: Mike Singletary

ROLB: DT

CB1: Deion Sanders

CB2: Champ Bailey

FS: ED REED

SS: Sean Taylor

 

So out of 22 starters, 3 Ravens can be considered the best ever at their positions.  To think that that is the case after only being a franchise since 96' is amazing.  I also think if Suggs and Ngata put together a couple more solid seasons, by the time they retire, they will be seen as top 10 at their positions.  Just makes you think how great it is to be a fan, among all the doom and gloom that has been going on in these forums.  

 

Who is on your starting team? And how many are Ravens?

everybody loved Sean Taylor, but he isn't the best SS of all time, he could/would have been had he not been murdered, So I think the best SS of all time should go to Lott

Also I don't know about Champ being the second best CB ever, CB is a really hard one to choose when you've got Champ, Dick Lane, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, and Willie Brown.......I would personally take Brown over Champ, but this position is really debatable, I guess you can't really be bashed too hard for that selection because Champ is without a doubt one of the best ever

If Ngata gets back to being the dominant force he was a couple of years ago before he started having injury issues, he could definitely crack into the greatest ever conversation, Suggs has a chance as well, but OLB is pretty crowded at the top

Its pretty impressive that our first two picks ever are without a doubt the two best at their position ever

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Here's who I have different from your list.

 

QB - tossup between Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana

WR2 - Calvin Johnson

Slot WR - Don Hutson

TE - Tony Gonzales

LG - Larry Allen

 

RDE - Bruce Smith

CB2 - Darrell Green

SS - Ronnie Lott

 

Who is DT for ROLB? Derrick Thomas? If so, then I agree.

For RB, I'd go Barry Sanders over Adrian Peterson.

I agree with Barry over AP, he hasn't cracked GOAT status yet, but he certainly has a chance, as it is right now there are a few RB I would take before AP

I would also throw Shannon Sharpe into the TE conversation along with Gates

How can you snub Devin Hester as the PR/KR?

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I would Go Unitas over anyone else including Manning, he played like a raven before anyone knew what that meant !

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I agree with Barry over AP, he hasn't cracked GOAT status yet, but he certainly has a chance, as it is right now there are a few RB I would take before AP

I would also throw Shannon Sharpe into the TE conversation along with Gates

How can you snub Devin Hester as the PR/KR?

 

Not only is Gonzales a better receiver than Sharpe and Gates, he's also a much better blocker.

Hester's also great, but if you've ever seen footage of Sayers having everyone on the other defense miss him, a few players more than once, then you'd understand why as great as Hester is, Sayers was even better (just didn't last as long, but I'm going by peak for KR/PR.)

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Tight End is definitely Tony Gonzalez. Sean Taylor had nothing on Lott.

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Tight End is definitely Tony Gonzalez. Sean Taylor had nothing on Lott.


I'd take Ditka over Gonzalez.
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Only two Ray and Ogden. Emlen Tunnel did what reed did thirty years ago.and he may not even be the best ever although it is probably close.
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i would've loved to see the player Taylor could have become.  Rangy SS with with great ball skills.  Hit like the truck that carries a Mack truck.

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Gonzalez over Ozzie. Calvin over Moss. Agree with pretty much everything else. I hate the steelers but I'd take Troy over Taylor, don't know much about Lott besides him being highly regarded as the best.
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Montana can win the big one more than once, so he gets my vote over Manning. I love Lott at SS, as I still love watching his hits even today. Barry Sanders is my #1 but Walter Payton has to be my one honorary mention on the G.O.A.T. list.

 

Because I still can't decide between a 4-3 and 3-4 defense when it comes to greatest defensive players of all time, I am just too all over the place to probably ever truly make a final decision.

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I'd run a 3-4 but whatever.

Marino

Payton
Brown

Rice
Calvin Johnson(yes, him over Moss)
Tony Gonzales

Ogden
Hannah
Matthews
Allen
Munoz

RDE: Reggie White
DT: Joe Green
LDE: Deacon Jones(how the hell is he not on this list?)

LOLB: LT(duh)
MLB: Ray Lewis
MLB: Dick Butkus
ROLB: Derrick Thomas(RIP. Died too young)

CB: Deion Sanders
CB: Darrel Green

FS: Ed Reed
SS: Ronnie Lott
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Here's who I have different from your list.

 

QB - tossup between Johnny Unitas and Joe Montana

WR2 - Calvin Johnson

Slot WR - Don Hutson

TE - Tony Gonzales

LG - Larry Allen

 

RDE - Bruce Smith

CB2 - Darrell Green

SS - Ronnie Lott

 

KR/PR - Gale Sayers

 

Who is DT for ROLB? Derrick Thomas? If so, then I agree.

For RB, I'd go Barry Sanders over Adrian Peterson though you can't really go wrong with either one.

Yeah, Derrick Thomas 

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Gonzalez over Ozzie. Calvin over Moss. Agree with pretty much everything else. I hate the steelers but I'd take Troy over Taylor, don't know much about Lott besides him being highly regarded as the best.

I personally think Troy is one of the most overrated players Ive ever seen

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These arent necessarily who I think are the Greatest of all-time, but who I would pick if I were to assemble a team.  I do think however that (Lewis, Ogden, and Reed) are the best at their positions, but the rest are debatable and personal preferences.  Not a lot of old timers because I just feel that many are overrated.  I just think if some of them were to play in today's generation of faster, stronger, bigger players, they wouldnt be as highly regarded as they were in their day.

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These arent necessarily who I think are the Greatest of all-time, but who I would pick if I were to assemble a team.  I do think however that (Lewis, Ogden, and Reed) are the best at their positions, but the rest are debatable and personal preferences.  Not a lot of old timers because I just feel that many are overrated.  I just think if some of them were to play in today's generation of faster, stronger, bigger players, they wouldnt be as highly regarded as they were in their day.


If the older players had access to the same technologies and training regimans that todays athletes have today they would be just as big and strong and fast as todays athletes but as the eras go on it's getting harder and harder to compare.
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If the older players had access to the same technologies and training regimans that todays athletes have today they would be just as big and strong and fast as todays athletes but as the eras go on it's getting harder and harder to compare.

fair point, I just think people like Mel Hein and Sam Huff wouldnt really be acknowledged as more than solid starters in todays game

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Just offensive side:

 

QB: Peyton Manning

 

RB: Adrian Peterson

       

 

WR: Jerry Rice

        Calvin Johnson

         Michael Irvin

         Larry Fitzgerald

          Reggie Wayne

 

TE: Tony Gonzales

       Rob Gronkowski

 

This offense would average 50pts per game easy

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I personally think Troy is one of the most overrated players Ive ever seen

Not me. I've always loved the way he played. Hate for the Steelers used to distort my respect for him but he's been the best SS of the decade and best I've ever seen.

Ew
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I won't take Calvin over moss just yet. Calvin has to keep it together a few more years to get that vote. Plus, Calvin plays a totally different style. Moss was dominant in the old style of football with a great straight-line receiver with excellent hands. Calvin is more of the basketball playing tight ends (jimmy graham) no offense to Calvin(he's a great athlete) he is a product of the change into a offensively dominated league.
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If the older players had access to the same technologies and training regimans that todays athletes have today they would be just as big and strong and fast as todays athletes but as the eras go on it's getting harder and harder to compare.

 

That's so true. Just one example, today's offensive linemen are world's better than offensive linemen that played just ten years ago in my opinion. Ten years ago, offensive linemen didn't run sub 5.0 40 yd dashes. Now, it isn't as rare. I might pick a guy like Jerry Kramer from the old Packers of the 60s and 70s as the best RG of all time, but he played when offensive linemen were still just like 240. Now some receivers are 240, lol. 

 

It's really impossible to compare across eras, especially at positions like OL, DL, LB, etc...

 

Anyway, Ray and Ogden are top at their positions, and Reed definitely has a case.

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Not me. I've always loved the way he played. Hate for the Steelers used to distort my respect for him but he's been the best SS of the decade and best I've ever seen.

Ew

I remember seeing a play where he did his infamous jump over the offensive line. He completely missed the running back and didnt contribute to the play at all.  Yet the commentators still talked about it all game and it even made sportscenter.  He is a solid player and all, but I could jump over an O-line and miss the running back.  He has been injury plagued for a while now, and his numbers are laughable compared to those of an Ed Reed or Ronnie Lott.  People tend to get to caught up on his "athletic" diving plays to really see that he is simply a rangy safety who is above average at tackling.  I dont see any erea of his game that can be considered GOAT

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That's so true. Just one example, today's offensive linemen are world's better than offensive linemen that played just ten years ago in my opinion. Ten years ago, offensive linemen didn't run sub 5.0 40 yd dashes. Now, it isn't as rare. I might pick a guy like Jerry Kramer from the old Packers of the 60s and 70s as the best RG of all time, but he played when offensive linemen were still just like 240. Now some receivers are 240, lol. 

 

It's really impossible to compare across eras, especially at positions like OL, DL, LB, etc...

 

Anyway, Ray and Ogden are top at their positions, and Reed definitely has a case.

yeah I guess it is almost impossible to compare era's, but if I were to put together a team for and era of football, this would be it

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Tight End is definitely Tony Gonzalez. Sean Taylor had nothing on Lott.

 

Sharpe over Gonzalez for me. Best all around TE i have ever seen. He was the original match-up nightmare for the TE position.

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