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My gut instincts tells me that Eugene Monroe maybe too small to be the Ravens style at left tackle. He not big enough to maul people like what J. Ogden did in the pass and run game, which is what made him great. The O-line didn't get any better after the acquisition of Monroe.

 

Defensive ends now a days are a lot bigger and stronger. So it make sense if there are more better bigger and stronger options.

 

My solution in Free Agency: Jared Valdheer. His size 6'8" and 321 he can easily maul people having him and KO on the left side will make our O-Line  considerably better.

 

If we sign Valdheer our O-line would be the nastiest in the NFL. Valdheer - K.O.  - Yanda  and whoever our Center and Right Tackle is will be along for the ride. 

 

Please, Please, Please, strongly consider getting Jared Valdheer to be our left tackle!

 

Our O-line will be in better shape if we have maulers so we can get back to Ravens style of Smashmouth football!

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My gut instincts tells me that Eugene Monroe maybe too small to be the Ravens style at left tackle. He not big enough to maul people like what J. Ogden did in the pass and run game, which is what made him great. The O-line didn't get any better after the acquisition of Monroe.

 

Defensive ends now a days are a lot bigger and stronger. So it make sense if there are more better bigger and stronger options.

 

My solution in Free Agency: Jared Valdheer. His size 6'8" and 321 he can easily maul people having him and KO on the left side will make our O-Line  considerably better.

 

If we sign Valdheer our O-line would be the nastiest in the NFL. Valdheer - K.O.  - Yanda  and whoever our Center and Right Tackle is will be along for the ride. 

 

Please, Please, Please, strongly consider getting Jared Valdheer to be our left tackle!

 

Our O-line will be in better shape if we have maulers so we can get back to Ravens style of Smashmouth football!

He is a free agent. Came off Triceps surgery but started the last 5 games of the season giving up no sacks.

 

He's averaged about 1 sack every 4 games but that is diminishing as he matures.

 

Agree he'd be a vast improvement.  We'd be very lucky to even have a chance to acquire him.

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This is absurd, there are plenty of 6'8" bums in the league that prove that size and strength don't make a great LT. The only thing Valdheer has on Monroe is height and he's coming off a year on the shelf. 

 

Monroe gives up two sacks in a game and everyone loses their minds.

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I don't know if we'll just let him go elsewhere and loose those 2 picks. Aren't we trying to be a finesse blocking team anyway ?

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I am much more concerned about the right tackle situation than left tackle.  Monroe played pretty well this season having to come in, learn a new scheme, and then losing his starting left guard, not to mention working with a first time starter at center.  The line works together, and Eugene I think did the best that could be expected given the fluidity of the situation.  And just for comparisons sack, Joe Thomas 6'6", Ryan Clady 6'6", Russell Okung 6'5", Joe Staley 6'5", Duane Brown 6'4" - I'm pretty sure nobody would complain about any of those guys being Joe's blindside protector.

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I'm not sure you realize just how good Eugene Monroe is. If we don't re-sign him or tag him he's going to be the top LT in free agency this year. Now Jareed Valheer is no slouch either don't get me wrong but he doesn't have the athleticism that Monroe has to handle the speed off the edge as efficiently. Plus he's coming off an injury riddled season in which he tore his tricep. I prefer Monroe but I dont think we could go wrong with Valheer either. Problem is they're both going to come at a hefty price. Luckily for us we have Monroe's rights and the ability to Franchise Tag him.

 

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The big difference is we lose a compensatory pick if we don't resign Monroe and sign Veldheer, so you're giving up a player.

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I don't know if we'll just let him go elsewhere and loose those 2 picks. Aren't we trying to be a finesse blocking team anyway ?

 

Well we know how that worked out this season!

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The grass isnt always greener on the other side. We already know what we have in Monroe and that's a very good LT. I'm sure he is priority #1 for the FO as he should be.

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u dont trade for someone to release him in the offseason. ozzie will strike a deal with monroe and add depth thru FA and draft.

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Just because Monroe is on the shorter side doesn't mean he's small, he's SHORT.

He's big enough and strong enough to play LT in this league and he's PROVEN that.

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If we don't keep Monroe our line is screwed.  A new LT, who knows how KO is, a new C and a new RT.

How do you expect Flacco to be protected next year if thats the case?

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I think resigning Monroe should be priority #1. Even over Pitta and Daryl Smith, who should be a close #2A and #2B.

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I think resigning Monroe should be priority #1. Even over Pitta and Daryl Smith, who should be a close #2A and #2B.

 

Agreed - of the three he'd be the hardest to replace.

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This is absurd, there are plenty of 6'8" bums in the league that prove that size and strength don't make a great LT. The only thing Valdheer has on Monroe is height and he's coming off a year on the shelf. 

 

Monroe gives up two sacks in a game and everyone loses their minds.

 

7 allowed sacks in 10 games.

 

Running game did not improve once he became starter.

 

Overall Winning Percentage worsened after he became starter.

 

Not gonna get hung up on the stats. What's more important is the fact that is Oz is in panic mode. This player was a panic acquisition.  That alone is reason to be careful. Not so fast.

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7 allowed sacks in 10 games.

Running game did not improve once he became starter.

Overall Winning Percentage worsened after he became starter.

Not gonna get hung up on the stats. What's more important is the fact that is Oz is in panic mode. This player was a panic acquisition. That alone is reason to be careful. Not so fast.

he let up 5 sacks all year. Stop making things up
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he let up 5 sacks all year. Stop making things up

 

Making things up?  You're accusing this avid fan of not doing the homework?  Really?

 

This fan has asked others to do a little digging to make the colloquy bilateral but they aren't inclined.  This fan does the homework, especially when there's a dichotomy between what is said and what was done. The view here is that Monroe was a Panic Acquisition and is not even as effective as his stats. 

 

The stats are out there. You'll find them if you're truly interested in whether Monroe is going to make a difference!

 

On the other hand, one can just defer to Oz.  Be careful with that.

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Making things up?  You're accusing this avid fan of not doing the homework?  Really?

 

This fan has asked others to do a little digging to make the colloquy bilateral but they aren't inclined.  This fan does the homework, especially when there's a dichotomy between what is said and what was done. The view here is that Monroe was a Panic Acquisition and is not even as effective as his stats. 

 

The stats are out there. You'll find them if you're truly interested in whether Monroe is going to make a difference!

 

On the other hand, one can just defer to Oz.  Be careful with that.

monroe let up 5 sacks all year. Not 10 like you say. Your making stuff up.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/data/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2013&surn=Monroe&playerid=4931&pre=REG

5 sacks.

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Making things up? You're accusing this avid fan of not doing the homework? Really?

This fan has asked others to do a little digging to make the colloquy bilateral but they aren't inclined. This fan does the homework, especially when there's a dichotomy between what is said and what was done. The view here is that Monroe was a Panic Acquisition and is not even as effective as his stats.

The stats are out there. You'll find them if you're truly interested in whether Monroe is going to make a difference!

On the other hand, one can just defer to Oz. Be careful with that.

Can you link us to it?

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Can you link us to it?

he can't, I've check upwards on 10 sites. The majority don't even keep a record of sacks allowed. I link to a site that does, clearly indicating 5.
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he can't, I've check upwards on 10 sites. The majority don't even keep a record of sacks allowed. I link to a site that does, clearly indicating 5.

I'll give him a chance but posting fake info isn't allowed here

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I don't know if we'll just let him go elsewhere and loose those 2 picks. Aren't we trying to be a finesse blocking team anyway ?

Yes! The Ravens are changing their blocking. 

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pretty sure monroe graded out to be our best o-liner......

8th best left tackle in the league per pff if you like their grading system, I personally don't but it's there as a reference
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http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=9272&team=33

 

Their total is 6.5 for the Ravens, 2 when a Jaguar.

 

Having tape of every Raven's Game, Monroes attributable sack total is 5 higher in this opinion.

let me get this straight, you criticise Monroe for letting up, according to this unrecognised site, 8.5 sacks. Did you even look at McKinnies stats? He let up 11.5 and you still think we would have fared better with him?
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ORRRR we can put Jared Valdheer at right tackle to assemble the nastiest O-line in the NFL!

That would be awesome, but I don't see how Ozzie could ever pull off that with our cap room because Valdheer is going to want LT money, but he would go a long way in improving our o-line.

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7 allowed sacks in 10 games.

 

Running game did not improve once he became starter.

 

Overall Winning Percentage worsened after he became starter.

 

Not gonna get hung up on the stats. What's more important is the fact that is Oz is in panic mode. This player was a panic acquisition.  That alone is reason to be careful. Not so fast.

Hey Poe,

 

Our line was pathetic I will agree, but I don't blame it all on Monroe. Monroe had decent ratings with the Ravens and is much better than McKinnie during a full season. KO was playing hurt and probably should not have been in there as long as he was, and AQ was a stop gap who did his best but his ratings as a guard were much below standards. Gino, I am sorry to say (since it was his first year), was rated "bottom of the league" poorly. Yanda played well when he was healthy. Lastly Oher, was average at best but still hurts the team at critical times with all his penalties. He is overpaid as a RT and rates very poorly as a LT.

 

I thought the trade for Monroe was pretty good because his price would have been higher had he hit the open market. At least we have first right to him. If some team throws insane money his way he may have to walk, because I am not sure he is worth top LT franchise money, but I would like to see a reasonable long-term contract worked out with him.

 

I think Ozzie is going to get serious on the offensive side this off-season. I have confidence that he will address our o-line and maybe add a smashmouth running back. I think he is horrified (as we all are) with how pathetic our run game was this season. Changes are coming, trust me, Ozzie is not the kind of guy who will keep putting sub-rated starters back on our field.

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My gut instincts tells me that Eugene Monroe maybe too small to be the Ravens style at left tackle. He not big enough to maul people like what J. Ogden did in the pass and run game, which is what made him great. The O-line didn't get any better after the acquisition of Monroe.

 

Defensive ends now a days are a lot bigger and stronger. So it make sense if there are more better bigger and stronger options.

 

My solution in Free Agency: Jared Valdheer. His size 6'8" and 321 he can easily maul people having him and KO on the left side will make our O-Line  considerably better.

 

If we sign Valdheer our O-line would be the nastiest in the NFL. Valdheer - K.O.  - Yanda  and whoever our Center and Right Tackle is will be along for the ride. 

 

Please, Please, Please, strongly consider getting Jared Valdheer to be our left tackle!

 

Our O-line will be in better shape if we have maulers so we can get back to Ravens style of Smashmouth football!

 

I already mentioned this, but I don't think Monroe's lack of height has been a concern his last 6 years in the league, and I believe he will continue to do a decent job.  Not to mention, I suspect he'll come more cheaply than Valdheer, whom I doubt the Raiders will let go of anyway - a team that's severely short on talent will not let one of its only bright spots go.

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Alright folks, knock off the personal attacks and off-topic posting. If someone breaks the rules report them only, do NOT respond to them.  Feel free to simply ignore people!  Next time we'll be closing this thread, so don't let that happen.

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Left Tackle, IMHO Eugene Monroe should be priority #1 for Ozzie. I am not sure he should be Franchised because of that expense to our cap but we seriously need a decent LT which we currently have. I hope Ozzie can work out a fair deal with Eugene so he is here long term. I will agree that Eugene does not have Ogden size, but he is still young, appears healthy, strong, moves well, and finishes plays. I'd like to see him remain a Raven. I wonder though if Ozzie agrees with this.

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I'm expecting Monroe to be locked up and would be very disappointed if he is not. He should be the #1 priority this offseason.

When he first came here I'm pretty sure that he said he was the type of player who wanted to stay at one place his entire career. Yes, the former Jaguar wanted to stay over there for his entire career. I think Eugene said something like he was sad but excited when he was traded here but doesn't want to move again. Hopefully he doesn't have to any time soon.

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Yes but we can shift Monroe and Valdheer around to confuse defenses!

I'll be the first to admit I'm not a line guru by any stretch, but I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works.

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I'll be the first to admit I'm not a line guru by any stretch, but I'm pretty sure that's not quite how it works.

 

Yeah definitely not how it works lol.  Monroe will be our LT for the future.  Veldheer will not be a Raven.  We'll just keep it that simple.

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Yeah definitely not how it works lol.  Monroe will be our LT for the future.  Veldheer will not be a Raven.  We'll just keep it that simple.

 

Why don't you think we'll go after Veldheer? 

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