Terrell Suggs on TV

[HoldingCall]

No not at all, the issue is with the premise. 

 

The 'defense' put forth by the Front Office and it's fellow travelers is that it was necessary.

 

The assignment was part of the process to lead others to the truth.

I my mind it was not necessary to trade Q and I thought it somewhat arrogant in the way it was done but the FO did it their way. It was their choice whether you or I agreed. Trying to prove them wrong is a waste of effort, the forum is about about opinion. No one knows how things would have turned out had Q stayed. For all we know he could have suffered an injury and been out for the season. It is what it is!

 

As for the defense, they are younger and in the long run that helps prepare for the future. No one is more critical than I but don't do it to slam them but to analyze what they are doing and the affect it has had or will have. 

[rmw10]

I my mind it was not necessary to trade Q and I thought it somewhat arrogant in the way it was done but the FO did it their way. It was their choice whether you or I agreed. Trying to prove them wrong is a waste of effort, the forum is about about opinion. No one knows how things would have turned out had Q stayed. For all we know he could have suffered an injury and been out for the season. It is what it is!

As for the defense, they are younger and in the long run that helps prepare for the future. No one is more critical than I but don't do it to slam them but to analyze what they are doing and the affect it has had or will have.

Exactly. People act like Q was the missing piece and they forget all of the possibilities that could have happened if we still had him. Obviously there's the money thing and we probably wouldn't have had Daryl Smith, Elvis Dumervil, or Chris Canty. They all played big parts for this team. If we have Boldin, does Marlon a Brown ever see the field? He had some huge catches that put us in position to win games. It's crazy to me. Q had one good postseason after some average regular seasons, and people act like he's a superstar. I know he's better than what his numbers indicated, but do people think we suddenly would have used him correctly?

Whatever happened, Q is gone and people really need to get over it. It's been almost a year, and guess what? He'd be a FA now and he'd be walking because we can't afford him. He's not the difference between us and another Super Bowl. The piss poor OL is the reason we aren't watching the Ravens tomorrow. At the end of the day, we found some quality options that will help more in the future than Q would considering we would have only had him for 2013. It's done. He's gone. He's a 49er. People need to realize that and get over it.

[jaege]

That's part of the point. 

 

Oz has been here a long time.  He dates to another era.  The game has changed. Certainly teams still need to run the ball and the remaining playoff teams all run the ball well, however, this is an era where changes in the game have made offense and throwing more important.  Offense is Oz's weakness and he hasn't been setting any defensive records lately either.

 

Oz wasn't the G.M. during the 1st Championship.  He did draft Suggs and Ngata, Rice and Flacco. He did sign Boldin and Jacoby Jones and deserves credit for bringing Baltimore it's second Championship, but that era, that team is gone now.  Oz did what he was hired to do. He's 57 or 58 and not in ideal health.  The view here is that his recent decision making has been very questionable. The times and team have changed now.  Do Raven fans really want to start again with Oz? 

 

 

Still avoiding that question. What, specifically, would you have done differently and do you feel that you know better than Ozzie? Not answering just proves you are a troll and are just here to stir the pot. You're dismissed, go back to your bridge.

[gabefergy]

I don't believe most people thought Boldin would be cut in 2011. Myself and many could see through the criticism of his ability by a vocal minority who undervalued his worth. It never stops amazing me that some justified their thoughts by what the FO did when it's clear the FO decision was based on the fact that they could not afford to keep him, not that he was no longer worth it. The same may happen with Suggs and it will not be a reflection on Sugg's talent or ability but will be due to the increasing revolving door within the NFL.

That's funny because he never lived up to his contract when he was here. Pretty much everyone on this forum knew it was happening. Most people just remember an amazing 4 game stretch in the postseason and forget how inconsistent he was for 3 years. It was a foregone conclusion would be gone because if the cap situation. Ozzie and co. made it perfectly clear they had a plan irrespective of the SB win.

[Militant X 1]

Okay. Is there something wrong with the (period) on your keyboard?

I'm glad we're on the same page here (somewhat), but I'm not shouting about it. It's cool. However, I don't fully believe that the FO has completely given-up on Suggs as being an asset to the team (his cap is just too heavy a load take). And further, I don't believe Suggs has decided that he should test the market or anything at all based on press statements so far. My point is these 'sound-bite' press releases are not to be taken too seriously. It's all theater. If Suggs wants to voice his final decision - he just voices it.

 

Sugg's is on the wrong side of 30 and still holds Raven 'marquee' value even with 2 years with missed playing time and not ranking in the top 10 at position. A new contract for less against the cap (4 million) yearly extended through approx. 4 years would put him and the team where both need to be. The FO has more flexibility and Sizzle sets himself up to go out like Ray (approx. 3 million yearly leading up to retirement and 2 million for the next 10+ years broadcasting). Like Ray, Sizzle won't have to rank in the top 10 every year leading up to his retirement and can focus more on revenue outside of the Ravens and have the chance to garner Ring of Honor and HOF respectability in the process. At this time in a player's career, chasing money can lose you money in the long-run. The less risky thing to do is to protect your brand at all cost. That's business and looking out for your own interest and family, as well.

If your assessment is true and the Ravens FO is truly convinced that they don't want or need him then this all is a mute point. I can understand your position, but I just respectfully have a different opinion on this one. We're good.

Is there something wrong with the period on my keyboard?  Huh? 

 

#Mili

[Poes Crows]

I my mind it was not necessary to trade Q and I thought it somewhat arrogant in the way it was done but the FO did it their way. It was their choice whether you or I agreed. Trying to prove them wrong is a waste of effort, the forum is about about opinion. No one knows how things would have turned out had Q stayed. For all we know he could have suffered an injury and been out for the season. It is what it is!

 

As for the defense, they are younger and in the long run that helps prepare for the future. No one is more critical than I but don't do it to slam them but to analyze what they are doing and the affect it has had or will have. 

 

Don't believe its wasted effort at all.  Folks read this forum. Opinions take time to develop for some. 

 

Change is good

[Poes Crows]

Still avoiding that question. What, specifically, would you have done differently and do you feel that you know better than Ozzie? Not answering just proves you are a troll and are just here to stir the pot. You're dismissed, go back to your bridge.

 

Its not this fans job to give you the answer.  You need to work at it some. 

 

The assignment is now yours.  Peruse the thread and come back with your homework and we'll talk

[HoldingCall]

That's funny because he never lived up to his contract when he was here. Pretty much everyone on this forum knew it was happening. Most people just remember an amazing 4 game stretch in the postseason and forget how inconsistent he was for 3 years. It was a foregone conclusion would be gone because if the cap situation. Ozzie and co. made it perfectly clear they had a plan irrespective of the SB win.

Not living up to his contract was partly to due to the offensive system as proven by his SB run after Cam was replaced and him having a good year in SF. The system has to share any blame unless you intend to point the finger at Joe.

 

The offense as a whole was inconsistent that's why Cam was finally replaced years later than most wanted. Q was Joe's most reliable receiver during his time here, having the most catches and the most yards. It's a real shame that at one point he had to go to the sideline and tell the coaches to get him the ball.

[wayne]

That's funny because he never lived up to his contract when he was here. Pretty much everyone on this forum knew it was happening. Most people just remember an amazing 4 game stretch in the postseason and forget how inconsistent he was for 3 years. It was a foregone conclusion would be gone because if the cap situation. Ozzie and co. made it perfectly clear they had a plan irrespective of the SB win.

Maybe he was inconsistent b/c of other factors and not so much b/c of him. I mean, if that logic can be used for certain other players, I'm certain it could be used in reference with Boldin.

[2legit2quit]

Its not this fans job to give you the answer. You need to work at it some.

The assignment is now yours. Peruse the thread and come back with your homework and we'll talk

Its not our job to look up the stats for your defense . I you wanna defend your opinions than you can spend the afternoon looking up your own numbers.

I was among those that wanted Boldin gone well before he was actually cut in the off-season. For me it's not about talent level, if our scheme didn't use Boldin in the right way then he was a waste of money minus 4 post season games.

[Militant X 1]

Maybe he was inconsistent b/c of other factors and not so much b/c of him. I mean, if that logic can be used for certain other players, I'm certain it could be used in reference with Boldin.

I see what you did there Wayne!  lol!

 

#Mili

[wayne]

I see what you did there Wayne!  lol!

 

#Mili

I'm serious Mili. One thing about giving passes is you have to practically give them to everyone, not just one person. But, with using that logic it seems as a cop out for taking responsibilities for your actions. The blame sometimes fall on one person's shoulder and often it falls on the unit shoulders b/c this is a team game where other players affect the play of others around them so I do understand the logic. It's not a solo sport like tennis or golf!

[Militant X 1]

I'm serious Mili. One thing about giving passes is you have to practically give them to everyone, not just one person. But, with using that logic it seems as a cop out for taking responsibilities for your actions. The blame sometimes fall on one person's shoulder and often it falls on the unit shoulders b/c this is a team game where other players affect the play of others around them so I do understand the logic. It's not a solo sport like tennis or golf!

 

I see what you mean.

 

#Mili

[HoldingCall]

Don't believe its wasted effort at all.  Folks read this forum. Opinions take time to develop for some. 

 

Change is good

Change of OL blocking scheme, Center, etc, this past season didn't turn out so good. As for the defense they are younger so in the long run the team is better prepared for the future. 

 

So, wouldn't you agree that misguided change whether it be opinion or function can be detrimental? 

[HoldingCall]

Maybe he was inconsistent b/c of other factors and not so much b/c of him. I mean, if that logic can be used for certain other players, I'm certain it could be used in reference with Boldin.

Well stated!

[Tru11]

I'm serious Mili. One thing about giving passes is you have to practically give them to everyone, not just one person. But, with using that logic it seems as a cop out for taking responsibilities for your actions. The blame sometimes fall on one person's shoulder and often it falls on the unit shoulders b/c this is a team game where other players affect the play of others around them so I do understand the logic. It's not a solo sport like tennis or golf!

 

people usually just like a certain person and will bends in what ever way possible to defend that person.

objectiveness and fandom dont mix lol.