[News] Coaching Search Rumor Mill

[rafahash]

Everybody on Harbaugh coaching staff are not his BFF. Harbaugh made Jim Caldwell the offensive coordinator and they were not friends also the same  can be said about Chuck Pagano when he was here. I think the friendship topic when it comes to Harbaugh can be overrated because every head coach does it . The Texans new head coach just recently hired a wide receiver coach whoms  his friend

 

Thank you! I totally agree

[Guest Omerta]

If Harbaugh is here it won't matter unless he becomes less of a control freak.

[Purple_ICE 81]

Yes it does. We are still running Cam's offense.

We need a new system entirely.

EXACTLY!!!! Its been the same boring vanilla, run first offense that Cam Cameron installed 6 seasons ago...its time we go pass happy and install a new system that will allow our 120mill QB to show his true colors and ultimately benfit way more from it.

 

New Offense: New system, new coordinator, new WRs, TEs, and o-line

[pep_meister]

EXACTLY!!!! Its been the same boring vanilla, run first offense that Cam Cameron installed 6 seasons ago...its time we go pass happy and install a new system that will allow our 120mill QB to show his true colors and ultimately benfit way more from it.

 

New Offense: New system, new coordinator, new WRs, TEs, and o-line

this... i would love to see us go into a high speed fast offense with a super star first rd top 5 WR in this years draft... 2nd rd for a RT. Euegene, Kelechi ? Yanda ? 

[PolishRifle]

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/01/02/baltimore-ravens-rumors-norv-turner-to-be-new-offensive-coordinator/

Even though its just a rumor,pretty interesting.

 

That's not a rumor, that's speculation. Where's the difference between that site and our posts? The only thing they do is add up a bunch of events and come up with conclusions without any evidence. Oh, Jim Caldwell is having interviews with other teams and Norv Turner is displeased with how the Browns are running things? Wow, you don't say, welcome to last week!

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

Rumors are everywhere and Norv is a name that pops up a lot but he's still under contract and Cleveland might try demand something in return. I think the Ravens should really take their time and look for a fresh, new face. Someone to give Joe more say and develop a system to fit his talents. No control freaks need apply. Team period!

[baltimorefan328]

Maybe we shouldn't get recycled OCs and go for a fresh new OC.

I know i mentioned this before but thoughts on a guy like rich rodriguez? Head coach of Arizona wildcats right now but might not be a bad idea to at least reach out to him to gauge interest. Has a fast paced offense with plays slightly similar to chip kelly. Could be the fresh start the offense is looking for. He would utilize the speedy receivers we have much better with crossing routes and drags and for anyone worried he wont run the ball...his main running back's stats in 2012: 303 attempts for 1900 yards and 2013: 349 attempts for 1900 yards. Probably has a pretty good gig down in Arizona but at least gauging a guy's like that interest wouldnt be a bad idea

[Greatness]

Get one of those NE offensive coordinators. Them boys was doin' it was tightends man...

 

TIGHT ENDS!!

[PolishRifle]

If Harbs plans on firing Caldwell, he'll get no assists from the Lions:

 

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet59m

#Lions view #Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt as a top candidate. They have competition. #Redskins, #Vikings all shown interest. Now, #Titans too

[rafahash]

If Harbs plans on firing Caldwell, he'll get no assists from the Lions:

 

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet59m

#Lions view #Chargers OC Ken Whisenhunt as a top candidate. They have competition. #Redskins, #Vikings all shown interest. Now, #Titans too

 

I saw that too, but apparently Jim's interview went well

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-jim-caldwell-had-excellent-outstanding-interview-with-lions-redskins-up-next-20140104,0,4117765.story

[Ravenslifer]

I saw that too, but apparently Jim's interview went well

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-jim-caldwell-had-excellent-outstanding-interview-with-lions-redskins-up-next-20140104,0,4117765.story

 

The difference is in perception, though - like it or not, in spite of the fact that both had HOF QBs when they reached the Superbowl, Wisenhunt is still looked at as the guy who took perennial losers the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl. while Caldwell is seen as the guy who rode Peyton Manning to a Superbowl and then showed his ineptness by only winning two games when Manning when out.

[PolishRifle]

I saw that too, but apparently Jim's interview went well

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-jim-caldwell-had-excellent-outstanding-interview-with-lions-redskins-up-next-20140104,0,4117765.story

 

That's "Rooney Rule"-talk. Nobody wants him and it's crazy to sit on pins and needles hoping someone might take him. It's not going to happen.

[Bruce_Almty]

I know i mentioned this before but thoughts on a guy like rich rodriguez? Head coach of Arizona wildcats right now but might not be a bad idea to at least reach out to him to gauge interest. Has a fast paced offense with plays slightly similar to chip kelly. Could be the fresh start the offense is looking for. He would utilize the speedy receivers we have much better with crossing routes and drags and for anyone worried he wont run the ball...his main running back's stats in 2012: 303 attempts for 1900 yards and 2013: 349 attempts for 1900 yards. Probably has a pretty good gig down in Arizona but at least gauging a guy's like that interest wouldnt be a bad idea

"Old dogs," "recycling coaches" and "copy-cat league" are phrases that don't bode well when fans are looking for an innovative new coach. College football is so much more exciting these days. I realize they don't play defense there, but they don't tackle in the NFL either. Harbs espouses aggression, perhaps an aggressive OC would breath some life into the plain vanilla Raven playbook.

[TwinRivers]

Yep, it's Harbaugh who didn't like him.

Harbaugh is the one who hired Hue Jackson. Hue accepted a promotion in Oakland as an OC then to head coach. When Hue was fired Harbaugh didn't hire him back. I guess that could lead one to believe he didn't like Hue.

[jazz1988]

That's "Rooney Rule"-talk. Nobody wants him and it's crazy to sit on pins and needles hoping someone might take him. It's not going to happen.

 

So lets say nobody hires him as a head coach if you  are John Harbaugh do you let Caldwell go or do you play it smart and decide to keep him as the offensive coordinator or quarterback coach? 

[Ravenslifer]

Harbaugh is the one who hired Hue Jackson. Hue accepted a promotion in Oakland as an OC then to head coach. When Hue was fired Harbaugh didn't hire him back. I guess that could lead one to believe he didn't like Hue.

 

Slightly different situation though - Hue was fired after the 2011 season, which is the season after Jim Zorn was fired because Cam didn't like him getting too close with Joe.  I don't really recall any bad blood between Harbs and Hue - I think the reality of the situation was Cam wanted to go it alone as long as he could - and the way I understand it, hiring Caldwell was a decision influenced heavily by Steve Biscotti.  I really don't see any reason to suspect a rift between Harbs and Hue, not hiring him back doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[TwinRivers]

Slightly different situation though - Hue was fired after the 2011 season, which is the season after Jim Zorn was fired because Cam didn't like him getting too close with Joe.  I don't really recall any bad blood between Harbs and Hue - I think the reality of the situation was Cam wanted to go it alone as long as he could - and the way I understand it, hiring Caldwell was a decision influenced heavily by Steve Biscotti.  I really don't see any reason to suspect a rift between Harbs and Hue, not hiring him back doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Hope not. If Cincinnati loses today then Harbs can talk to Hue who happens to be my #1 choice for OC.

[Guest Omerta]

So lets say nobody hires him as a head coach if you  are John Harbaugh do you let Caldwell go or do you play it smart and decide to keep him as the offensive coordinator or quarterback coach?

The only real progress that was tangible and really quantifiable with Joe was when Zorn was here. Caldwell has done nothing imo. I don't see how keeping him is smart

[jazz1988]

The only real progress that was tangible and really quantifiable with Joe was when Zorn was here. Caldwell has done nothing imo. I don't see how keeping him is smart

 

When Zorn was here Flacco had four former pro bowler to throw the ball to matter of fact probably the most intelligent receivers he has ever worked with because He had Boldin, Mason, Housh, and Heap whom all in my opinion were solid route runners.

[TwinRivers]

Game over! Call Hue's agent.

[Guest Omerta]

When Zorn was here Flacco had four former pro bowler to throw the ball to matter of fact probably the most intelligent receivers he has ever worked with because He had Boldin, Mason, Housh, and Heap whom all in my opinion were solid route runners.

Former is the operative word. The only one who was close to pro bowl for Joe was Boldin. Oher was a pro bowler too... Housh barely even saw the Freud. He is Tandon Doss, even though Doss is probably better to this point. Pitta is better than the 06 07 Heap. Torrey and Mase are a wash because they did different things but production is comparable. He is meeting Boldin no doubt, but I think if we kept Zorn we might have an entirely different QB.

[The Raven]

Former is the operative word. The only one who was close to pro bowl for Joe was Boldin. Oher was a pro bowler too... Housh barely even saw the Freud. He is Tandon Doss, even though Doss is probably better to this point. Pitta is better than the 06 07 Heap. Torrey and Mase are a wash because they did different things but production is comparable. He is meeting Boldin no doubt, but I think if we kept Zorn we might have an entirely different QB.

 

Yeah maybe but Caldwell has done very very well as QB coach. He's helped Joe a lot, play calling and scheme aside. He's improved Joe's mechanics and a few other things, for sure

[Static]

Honestly we don't need a big name OC. All we need is a modern playbook, trust in Joe to call audiables ,  and slight use of Hurry up.

[Guest Omerta]

Yeah maybe but Caldwell has done very very well as QB coach. He's helped Joe a lot, play calling and scheme aside. He's improved Joe's mechanics and a few other things, for sure

Maybe, but one thing that I noticed under Zorn that Joe has gone back to inexplicably is his profession. He was never a Peyton at it, but I thought he did better under Zorn. I am not sure if it was Zorn our not, but Joe was doing very well under him, I still don't understand the change. Cam was trash why we would make that decision is nuts. As to Caldwell he is no OC. I have noticed marginal improvement in hours footwork and eye level at best. He needs to spend all his time developing Joe, if he can. Splitting time with that and his oc duties is making him below average at both, I would rather him just be good at one.

[Guest I-70WestRaven]

A lot of good posts here. At this point I don't know what would work for us except we need a serious talent upgrade on the "O" line. New game plan, play book, etc... isn't any good if Joe's on his back. Whatever we do it has to start up front or Caldwell or whoever gets the job won't stand a chance and we'll all be debating this again next season. Just my opinion.

[JEEPercreepermd]

this... i would love to see us go into a high speed fast offense with a super star first rd top 5 WR in this years draft... 2nd rd for a RT. Euegene, Kelechi ? Yanda ?

That's not Ravens football. We need a power running game to compete in this division.

[bMore Heathen]

Has anyone considered James Franklin from Vandy? He is a hot name at the college level, but he is a fantastic coach.

Under his coaching as an OC, the Terps won 10 games under Friedgen. A feat that is severely under appreciated. He made Danny Obrien look like a pro QB, but he then killed his stock by transferring to Wisconsin.

Friedgen told Franklin that he wasn't leaving, and was going to be at UMD for the forseeable future, so Franklin took the Vandy job and made them relevant for the first time in my lifetime.

Bottom line, he is a phenomenal offensive mind and could be just what we need to get this offense turned around. The only real question would be is he willing to leave Vandy for an OC job in the NFL...

[Bltravens]

That's not Ravens football. We need a power running game to compete in this division.

We have the pieces already.  Just need a new C and to go back to old school power man run schemes.

We do have to give Flacco a top flight weapon though.  Hell even Cleveland has one now in Gordon.  We paid Flacco, no we need to actually give him some pieces to run with.

[Bltravens]

The difference is in perception, though - like it or not, in spite of the fact that both had HOF QBs when they reached the Superbowl, Wisenhunt is still looked at as the guy who took perennial losers the Arizona Cardinals to the Superbowl. while Caldwell is seen as the guy who rode Peyton Manning to a Superbowl and then showed his ineptness by only winning two games when Manning when out.

Still can't help believe that the '10 tank job by the Colts was an obvious attempt to get Luck.

Caldwell can't be judged on that when he had nobody remotely close to even work with that year.

[dhstandard]

So lets say nobody hires him as a head coach if you  are John Harbaugh do you let Caldwell go or do you play it smart and decide to keep him as the offensive coordinator or quarterback coach? 

 

The only reason he became OC is because we needed someone to replace Cam and we didn't have anyone better or anyone with experience as far as I know.

 

He would have just been an interim coach but we had an epic Super Bowl run with an outstanding performance by our offense.  We couldn't demote him after that.  Would be horrible PR.  Especially with the focus on the Rooney Rule.  I'm sure there would have been headlines talking about race as well.