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[gabefergy]

I think it's more him waiting to long for guys to get open instead of putting the ball in a spot for them to make a play.

Because our WRs have shown they can make plays on contested balls...

[AlaskanRavensFan]

should have gotten norv turner last season.

 

kubiak runs the zone blocking scheme and im not sure our o-line fits that.

 

we should get an OC that runs power plays.

it will serve the players we have the most IMO.

I think the offense should be a power offense as well, but Harb's has been running a ZBS since he got here. Our O-line is smaller and athletic, which is what ZBS requires. If we wanted to run power, we'd have to change a lot of personnel up front to really have the ideal bodies there. (Think 2004 Ravens with JO, Bennie Anderson, Edwin Mulitalo, Orlando Brown) However since this change over looks likely, this might be just the time to do that. The drawback is that those road grater type of guys tend to not be as good at pass protection. Seeing as how that was terrible this year already, might not be too much of a risk.

 

Kubiak would be good for the current personnel and would add some movement to an otherwise static philosophy at QB. Flacco would be running more bootlegs and using play action, which I think suits him quite well. (think about when he rolled out last year in the playoffs...he was money). 

 

I would also like seeing Hue Jackson back in bmore. He's got an intensity and attitude that carries down to the players. He already has relationship with Joe, since he was his QB coach and he's likely got a chip on his shoulder after losing the Oakland job. Another bonus with Hue is that he's been helping game plan against the AFC north in the recent past. 

 

I wouldn't mind Norv Turner either, since he likes to air it out deep (which is Flacco's best asset), but I think his scheme would be too similar to Cam's since they both come from the Air Coryell background.

[pitchblack_20]

Because our WRs have shown they can make plays on contested balls...

I'm not saying they will make those plays, although I'd rather see him give them a chance instead of getting hit or taking a sack. I just think he expects the WRs to eventually get open and they don't.

[Bltravens]

I think the offense should be a power offense as well, but Harb's has been running a ZBS since he got here. Our O-line is smaller and athletic, which is what ZBS requires. If we wanted to run power, we'd have to change a lot of personnel up front to really have the ideal bodies there. (Think 2004 Ravens with JO, Bennie Anderson, Edwin Mulitalo, Orlando Brown) However since this change over looks likely, this might be just the time to do that. The drawback is that those road grater type of guys tend to not be as good at pass protection. Seeing as how that was terrible this year already, might not be too much of a risk.

 

Kubiak would be good for the current personnel and would add some movement to an otherwise static philosophy at QB. Flacco would be running more bootlegs and using play action, which I think suits him quite well. (think about when he rolled out last year in the playoffs...he was money). 

 

I would also like seeing Hue Jackson back in bmore. He's got an intensity and attitude that carries down to the players. He already has relationship with Joe, since he was his QB coach and he's likely got a chip on his shoulder after losing the Oakland job. Another bonus with Hue is that he's been helping game plan against the AFC north in the recent past. 

 

I wouldn't mind Norv Turner either, since he likes to air it out deep (which is Flacco's best asset), but I think his scheme would be too similar to Cam's since they both come from the Air Coryell background.

Actually an interesting point I didn't think of.  Hue will already know how to attack Pitt and Cleveland's defenses. 

[Bltravens]

I'll take Brian Billick as new OC Offensive genius !!!! Lol

His offense would actually be quite interesting to watch with a real QB at the helm and a WR that can actually get down field.

I felt bad for his offenses here in Baltimore.  He was an offensive guy who never really got much much to work with and his boat sank with Boller. Which is equal parts on Ozzie and Billick.

[5aiah]

Because our WRs have shown they can make plays on contested balls...

 

I think the offense should be a power offense as well, but Harb's has been running a ZBS since he got here. Our O-line is smaller and athletic, which is what ZBS requires. If we wanted to run power, we'd have to change a lot of personnel up front to really have the ideal bodies there. (Think 2004 Ravens with JO, Bennie Anderson, Edwin Mulitalo, Orlando Brown) However since this change over looks likely, this might be just the time to do that. The drawback is that those road grater type of guys tend to not be as good at pass protection. Seeing as how that was terrible this year already, might not be too much of a risk.

 

Kubiak would be good for the current personnel and would add some movement to an otherwise static philosophy at QB. Flacco would be running more bootlegs and using play action, which I think suits him quite well. (think about when he rolled out last year in the playoffs...he was money). 

 

I would also like seeing Hue Jackson back in bmore. He's got an intensity and attitude that carries down to the players. He already has relationship with Joe, since he was his QB coach and he's likely got a chip on his shoulder after losing the Oakland job. Another bonus with Hue is that he's been helping game plan against the AFC north in the recent past. 

 

I wouldn't mind Norv Turner either, since he likes to air it out deep (which is Flacco's best asset), but I think his scheme would be too similar to Cam's since they both come from the Air Coryell background.

Omg thank you. Norv Turner would be the ideal candidate to the Ravens higher ups because he fits the bill of what they already want to do. But he would just end up another casualty if we don't have the talent to run the system like this year.

[Bltravens]

1. Norv

2. Chud 

 

And Mike Munchak as the OL coach.

If possible that might be the pickup of the off season, over any player.  His Olines in Tennessee before he became HC were filthy and full of only mid round guys.

[gabefergy]

I'm not saying they will make those plays, although I'd rather see him give them a chance instead of getting hit or taking a sack. I just think he expects the WRs to eventually get open and they don't.

He did that a lot earlier in the season. Marlon started off as an outside WR and Joe tried to force him the ball quite a few times with the thought that he could use his size to come down with some. I don't think he caught one. Eventually, Brown was moved almost exclusively into the slot because he couldnt get open on the outside.

 

I think the moral of the story is we need help at WR. Torrey is a good WR, but he has limitations. Brown is a great RZ threat and decent out of the slot, but he struggles to get open against man coverage. I hope he builds on this season. 

[gooftroop]

Sorry, Caldwell has got to go. One season of the most rudimentary and unsophisticated playcalling in the league is evidence enough.

[jazz1988]

I think the offense should be a power offense as well, but Harb's has been running a ZBS since he got here. Our O-line is smaller and athletic, which is what ZBS requires. If we wanted to run power, we'd have to change a lot of personnel up front to really have the ideal bodies there. (Think 2004 Ravens with JO, Bennie Anderson, Edwin Mulitalo, Orlando Brown) However since this change over looks likely, this might be just the time to do that. The drawback is that those road grater type of guys tend to not be as good at pass protection. Seeing as how that was terrible this year already, might not be too much of a risk.

 

Kubiak would be good for the current personnel and would add some movement to an otherwise static philosophy at QB. Flacco would be running more bootlegs and using play action, which I think suits him quite well. (think about when he rolled out last year in the playoffs...he was money). 

 

I would also like seeing Hue Jackson back in bmore. He's got an intensity and attitude that carries down to the players. He already has relationship with Joe, since he was his QB coach and he's likely got a chip on his shoulder after losing the Oakland job. Another bonus with Hue is that he's been helping game plan against the AFC north in the recent past. 

 

I wouldn't mind Norv Turner either, since he likes to air it out deep (which is Flacco's best asset), but I think his scheme would be too similar to Cam's since they both come from the Air Coryell background.

 

I like Hue Jackson   he really did wonders for the raiders offense when he was their offensive coordinator he also runs  his offense base off the  air corydell  as well

[5aiah]

He did that a lot earlier in the season. Marlon started off as an outside WR and Joe tried to force him the ball quite a few times with the thought that he could use his size to come down with some. I don't think he caught one. Eventually, Brown was moved almost exclusively into the slot because he couldnt get open on the outside.

 

I think the moral of the story is we need help at WR. Torrey is a good WR, but he has limitations. Brown is a great RZ threat and decent out of the slot, but he struggles to get open against man coverage. I hope he builds on this season. 

That was the story of our offense. We need a good possession receiver because Marlon Brown isn't that. Also, yes he has to build on this season and get stronger and physical enough to beat man press coverage. For his height he is an absolute softy out there. He isn't in the slot to capitalize on his route running ability(like other great big slot receivers ex. Brandon Marshall) but to get him free from the press which limits what we can do on offense, like sending Jacoby and Torrey mainly on deep routes.

[TSizzle00]

My logic is when you don't have YAC type WRs and you throw the ball behind the first down marker on 3rd down you've effectively given up trying to win lol.

[luvrayrice27]

I want a new OC but I have a feeling Caldwell will be back, sadly

[JO_75]

I don't know about Kubiak but what Chud. He got a very bad deal in Cleveland. 

 

That guy made Hoyer look better than he actually is. Unfortunate that Hoyer's injury against the Bills was what ultimately got him fired. Just maybe he can come here and get the most out of our young receiving core.

[LEGEN-wait for it-DARY]

I don't know about Kubiak but what Chud. He got a very bad deal in Cleveland. 

 

That guy made Hoyer look better than he actually is. Unfortunate that Hoyer's injury against the Bills was what ultimately got him fired. Just maybe he can come here and get the most out of our young receiving core.

 

Yup and don't forget about Derek Anderson. He actually got him voted into the Pro Bowl in 2007.

[Static]

2 days and still no fire.

[gabefergy]

How about Klif Kingsbury?? Please?

[omar586]

from what i heard about Kubiak is he's stubborn as a mule when it comes to in-game adjustments, so no, we dont need another stubborn coach here, i thought Hue Jackson did a good job when he was here. we need to bring him back. or someone like Rob Chudzinski who knows how to fix an offense. that would b sweet vs brownies.

[TwinRivers]

No to Kubiak because his offense is all based on the run game. Once the run game is gone, then it's downhill from there.

 

Kyle Shanahan is someone I would look into since he knows the ZBS, but he's also bringing in the WCO, which is not part of Flacco's strength.

 

Hue Jackson... Ravens need to pull the trigger on this guy since he can work magic on the team like he did with the Bengals Running Game.

 

Send Jim Caldwell back to QB Coach!

I agree on Kubiak. He had a great offensive line with Elway and Terrell Davis behind it. He went to Huston where he again had all the moving parts. When the parts went away so did his effectiveness. I am the biggest Hue Jackson fan on earth. Hue is a true genius of offense. he can make a silk purse out of a sow"s ear on offense. Look at our offense the first 2 years he was here. Best time of possession in the league, rookie QB taking us to the AFC championship, Ray Rice the most yards from scrimmage in the league and in one game 2 of our running backs scored on 70 yard running plays against Dallas. Hue Jackson was just our QB coach at the time but he had much influence in the offensive scheme. Everywhere He's coached that offense excelled. My hat is in the ring for Hue Jackson. It is an absolute crime he isn't running an offense or head coaching somewhere in this league.

[nyc9192]

My top 5 would be:

Dylan

Dylan

Dylan

Dylan

 

and

 

Dylan...

 

Your my hero bro!

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'm not sold on the idea that bringing in a new OC is the answer. Yes, the play calling was vanilla and often predictable, but that may have been due to the inexperience and lack of talent at key offensive positions.

If we do can Caldwell I think the likely candidates are Jackson and Kubiak.

With the exception of the playoffs when has it NOT been awful & predictable? Other than Marlon Brown everyone had OTAs training camp etc.

[Dfence4champs2052]

2 days and still no fire.

[rafahash]

I want a new OC but I have a feeling Caldwell will be back, sadly

 

Yeah me too. At this point I'm not too worried about who the new OC is gonna be, I just want Caldwell fired

[GrimCoconut]

If Caldwell isn't demoted I'm sending a letter to Ozzie Newsome.

[Larryterri]

I doubt they make a change, look at how long they gave Cam...

[JoeyFlex5]

sadly, i see us keeping Caldwell another year. and kubiak is a strictly ZBS coach and it is clear that our o-line is not made for that, and i would prefer the complete scrapping of the ZBS over a complete o-line rehaul. we need a new center, and maybe a new RT, but more importantly, we need a new gameplan, and kubiak doesn't exactly offer that.

 

i like chudzinski, i think he is what joe flacco has been missing ever since he matured and cam began holding him back. we still are an explosive offense, with a gutsy, strong armed qb, and explosive receivers, and chud is one of those OC's that can draw up a route tree to get the ball in our playmakers hands, unlike cam nd Caldwell.

 

if you can make the nfl world think your offense can compete with brian hoyer at qb, then youre doing something right.

[baltimorefan328]

what about reaching out to a guy like rich rodriguez from Arizona (wildcats that is). Long time college head coach who employs a similar fast system like chip kelly. Could be interesting to see what he could do with a Ravens offense, I am sure he would bring innovation and creativity, however as everyone has been saying it seems Harbaugh is "slightly" opposed to overhauling the offensive philosophy. But with a pass catcher and elusive guy in ray rice and a straight hard hitter in pierce, then with smith and brown and possibly keep jones, then draft a guy like mike evans from Texas A&M early and maybe a solid slot guy with good hands in the 6th or 7th like Campanaro out of Wake Forest a fast tempoed and creative offense like Rodriguez would bring could be very effective

[a20havoc]

I agree and I even mentioned it in a previous post. I hope Caldwell stays as a QB coach at least because there has been noticeable improvement in Flacco's picket awareness since he came to town.

I think Caldwell was dealt a bad hand (the worst offensive assistant is NO DOUBT Castillo), but he seems to be in over his head as an OC. But I definitely don't think he should take all the blame, nor do I think he should be canned completely.

 

It seems to me that the new "Run Game Coordinator", No. 27's injury, missing Q and Pitta, and the o-line's challenges all contributed to the poor offensive play this season.  These are things that were definitely different from last year, finally colliding in a perfect storm.  Now that storm has passed, and the Ravens' playoff aspirations are wrecked.  But what do you do after a storm? 

 

So I am looking forward to 2014 and a return to the top of the NFL for the Purple and Black. 

[Militant X 1]

My logic is when you don't have YAC type WRs and you throw the ball behind the first down marker on 3rd down you've effectively given up trying to win lol.

Great point!  I've thought this as well at times watching our games.  I would actually be screaming at Flacco through my television set BEFORE he checked the ball down or tossed it to a receiver well behind the first down marker saying; "Don't you throw that ball there!"  And sure enough, guess where he threw it?  LOL!!

 

#Mili

[D_UP]

norv turner.