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[I AM LEGEND]

We haven't changed our offensive system since Joe's been here so...

These are all the complaints people had about Cutler in Chicago...then in comes Trestman and what do yoy know, their offense because WAY more efficient and creative. Alshon Jeffrey, who did little his rookie season, suddenly becomes a superstar.

It's not a coincidence.

Im sorry guys..but theres no magical system thats suddenly gonna automatically get our receivers wide open on every play. Alot of that is the QB being able to find the best option EARLY in the play..and deliver the ball at the most opportune time..and Joe has shown he cant do that consistently.

[ratedr]

so who would be your choice of OC , I am a fan of norv turner so what do you think of him

I like Norv too, and with Chud's firing he might actually become available. I'm a bit tired of the vertical offense though...but if we want to stick with it there's nobody better.

[ratedr]

Im sorry guys..but theres no magical system thats suddenly gonna automatically get our receivers wide open on every play. Alot of that is the QB being able to find the best option EARLY in the play..and deliver the ball at the most opportune time..and Joe has shown he cant do that consistently.

There isn't, after all teams play defense too, but at the very least you can help your receivers out.

I was watching our game with an Eagles fan yesterday and he commented that the Ravens use ZERO spacing in their offense and that the receivers always seem to be placed close to each other. Is it any wonder that it's easy for defenses to key in on them? We've been saying this on this board for a long time, but this was an EAGLES fan who pointed this out.

Ironically, during Eagles/Cowboys last night, the announcers mentioned how important spacing is to Chip Kelly and how it makes things harder for opposing defenses.

Players, both receivers and QB, have to make plays. But the system can either help or hurt.

My biggest issue with the Ravens is that we don't even really have a system. What's our offensive identity outside of chucking the ball deep? Why are we sticking with Cam's playbook even though he isn't here anymore? We need someone with a vision who can help us establish an actual offensive identity.

[izvoodoo]

OCs aren't going to want to come here because of our lack of Oline talent.

[1/28/01]

Madden game?

[ratedr]

We need to stop with the totally vertical offense. I've noticed all too much that on 1st and 2nd down when you take these deep shots, and don't execute, your in 3rd and 10 with no confidence. It's exciting when you hit a deep bomb, but it's far too low percentage for my liking. It's tough when your routes don't develop till at least 10 yards consistently, there's no room for quick hits and yards after catch.

It also depends too heavily on great protection. We saw how successful it could be last year when the protection holds up...bit when it doesn't? Ugly.

[Moderator 3]

I don't want any established HC or OC that has been in the league, personally. I want to see us get a College OC who can bring us into the new age of offenses, a guy who knows the young players coming into this league now, and moving forward. I have limited knowledge of College coaches, but a guy like Pep Hamilton has a very nicely creative offense in Indy.

I actually think having a former HC on staff is a good thing. Emergencies happen and it's smart to have someone who can fill-in if necessary.

[TDubbs]

My biggest issue with the Ravens is that we don't even really have a system. What's our offensive identity outside of chucking the ball deep? Why are we sticking with Cam's playbook even though he isn't here anymore? We need someone with a vision who can help us establish an actual offensive identity.

 

My thoughts exactly. All too often we've seen deep shots on 1st/2nd down and then we end up in 3rd and 10 with zero confidence of having made a completion. It's exciting hitting those deep balls, but they are always low percentage and boom or bust. There is very few plays designed to create quick hits and YAC. 

[gabefergy]

OCs aren't going to want to come here because of our lack of Oline talent.

I disagree. The Ravens are a high class organization with great management and an established QB. The OL can be fixed and an OC that comes in here and turns around this offense will springboard into a HC position.

[TDubbs]

I actually think having a former HC on staff is a good thing. Emergencies happen and it's smart to have someone who can fill-in if necessary.

 

I do see that angle, it is incredibly valuable, (Del Rio in Denver). I'm really just saying strictly for OC, I want a young fresh hungry mind. Harbaugh has my confidence, but if the unforeseeable happened, a guy like Pee's would be able to man the ship. 

[Tank 92]

Once upon a time Ray Rice was comparable. Call me an optimist but I think he still has it in him.

 

 

With a capable O line, I agree.

[RedFire]

Petyon Mannning!!! Pay him to retire and coach up Flacco and the boys. 

 

we have young guys on offense so it wouldn't be like Jason Kid with the nets and players not having full respect. 

[Free Agent]

I wouldn't at all be opposed to Chudzinski. I wouldn't mind Whisenhunt either.

 

While there isn't that one uber-appealing option out there right now, several of the current options would be an upgrade over Caldwell's boring, unimaginative offense.

[ratedr]

And for the record I hope Caldwell sticks around as a QB coach. The improvement in Flacco's pocket awareness has been incredible.

[da#1ravensfan]

Norv Turner and Joe Lombardi I think should be the top candidates for OC if it become available.

[Wisdom]

LOL, you guys are hilarious!  One bad season and you’re calling for Caldwell job yet very hypocritical of those calling for Joe’s job.   I too would like to see a more efficient exiting offense but not at the expense of other’s when players continued to make dumb decision on the field.   It doesn't make a different who you bring in at the end of the day ……it’s about player execution. Neg on!

[ratedr]

LOL, you guys are hilarious! One bad season and you’re calling for Caldwell job yet very hypocritical of those calling for Joe’s job. I too would like to see a more efficient exiting offense but not at the expense of other’s when players continued to make dumb decision on the field. It doesn't make a different who you bring in at the end of the day ……it’s about player execution. Neg on!

What has Caldwell done to show that he should keep the job? He doesn't even have his own playbook. Harp on Joe all you want but last I checked we're the first offense to finish with below 3.0 ypc on the season since 1994. That's a total offensive failure. By every measure this is the worst offense we've had in a very long time. Flacco, Rice, whatever, players need to make plays. But if you're telling me thag EVERYONE on offense just happened to regress majorly at the same time...I have a bridge to sell you.

I feel like some of you are actually afraid that we'll be successful with a change. Why else would there be such animosity at the mere suggestion?

[Bruce_Almty]

Recycling the garbage really is not going to get us anywhere; we need some fresh blood.

[TDubbs]

I just saw the Kyle Shanahan has been fired. That is a guy that I would not mind interview to be our OC. I've seen a lot of creativity in his offense (despite their struggles this year, not entirely his fault obviously). Any thoughts on that potential?

[ratedr]

I just saw the Kyle Shanahan has been fired. That is a guy that I would not mind interview to be our OC. I've seen a lot of creativity in his offense (despite their struggles this year, not entirely his fault obviously). Any thoughts on that potential?

He's a great offensive mind imo, but apparently a huge [fill in the blank]. Can't see us going for that.

[AsianRice]

I just saw the Kyle Shanahan has been fired. That is a guy that I would not mind interview to be our OC. I've seen a lot of creativity in his offense (despite their struggles this year, not entirely his fault obviously). Any thoughts on that potential?

I like his creative design on the running game.....

[TDubbs]

I like his creative design on the running game.....

 

His running game design would fit here perfectly. I just think getting out of his Dad's shadow, and coming here, Kyle would really flourish. He's young and already has a decent amount of experience. 

[gabefergy]

Scott Linehan maybe? He's always led some pretty good offenses.

[5aiah]

There isn't, after all teams play defense too, but at the very least you can help your receivers out.

I was watching our game with an Eagles fan yesterday and he commented that the Ravens use ZERO spacing in their offense and that the receivers always seem to be placed close to each other. Is it any wonder that it's easy for defenses to key in on them? We've been saying this on this board for a long time, but this was an EAGLES fan who pointed this out.

Ironically, during Eagles/Cowboys last night, the announcers mentioned how important spacing is to Chip Kelly and how it makes things harder for opposing defenses.

Players, both receivers and QB, have to make plays. But the system can either help or hurt.

My biggest issue with the Ravens is that we don't even really have a system. What's our offensive identity outside of chucking the ball deep? Why are we sticking with Cam's playbook even though he isn't here anymore? We need someone with a vision who can help us establish an actual offensive identity.

1. I think you are referring to bunch formations, which are designed to help receivers get off of the line without being pressed and confuse zone defenders in the area. It works well when your receivers run good routes and can find the holes in the coverage shell. It all comes down to your personnel. Chip used bunch formations at Oregon a bit but with the Eagles he has two beast TEs and hyper talented receivers. Bunch is used to hide weaknesses of the offense and attack weaknesses of the defense. Spreading out doesn't do anything extra for us. You have to know why these coaches use these formations and how before you critique their work.

2. We have a system and offensive identity. The Air Coryell system and had a rugged tough physical swaggering bunch of men in every position group. We are sticking the Air Coryell despite Cam leaving because it fit our offense best this year. We couldn't fit into much else. We don't have the talent at receiver that others do. Our offensive identity has already been established but when you can't do what you used to be good at it shakes everything up. Once the run game is back in order and we get a true possession receiver on the field the entire thing falls into place.    

[Wisdom]

What has Caldwell done to show that he should keep the job? He doesn't even have his own playbook. Harp on Joe all you want but last I checked we're the first offense to finish with below 3.0 ypc on the season since 1994. That's a total offensive failure. By every measure this is the worst offense we've had in a very long time. Flacco, Rice, whatever, players need to make plays. But if you're telling me thag EVERYONE on offense just happened to regress majorly at the same time...I have a bridge to sell you.

I feel like some of you are actually afraid that we'll be successful with a change. Why else would there be such animosity at the mere suggestion?

 

You may want to hold on to that bridge you’re trying to sell me……. 

 

I’m not absolving the offense of anything; there is plenty of blame on that side of the football to include coaches and players.  Caldwell may not have been the best OC in Ravens history but he most certainly isn’t the worst.    If we can get a new OC, let’s do it but I would also like to see Caldwell stay on as Joe’s quarterback coach or in another capacity.  Throwing him under the bus after one bad season is not the answer.

[ratedr]

You may want to hold on to that bridge you’re trying to sell me…….

I’m not absolving the offense of anything; there is plenty of blame on that side of the football to include coaches and players. Caldwell may not have been the best OC in Ravens history but he most certainly isn’t the worst. If we can get a new OC, let’s do it but I would also like to see Caldwell stay on as Joe’s quarterback coach or in another capacity. Throwing him under the bus after one bad season is not the answer.

I agree and I even mentioned it in a previous post. I hope Caldwell stays as a QB coach at least because there has been noticeable improvement in Flacco's picket awareness since he came to town.

I think Caldwell was dealt a bad hand (the worst offensive assistant is NO DOUBT Castillo), but he seems to be in over his head as an OC. But I definitely don't think he should take all the blame, nor do I think he should be canned completely.

[Wisdom]

I agree and I even mentioned it in a previous post. I hope Caldwell stays as a QB coach at least because there has been noticeable improvement in Flacco's picket awareness since he came to town.

I think Caldwell was dealt a bad hand (the worst offensive assistant is NO DOUBT Castillo), but he seems to be in over his head as an OC. But I definitely don't think he should take all the blame, nor do I think he should be canned completely.

 

I Agree!

[5aiah]

What has Caldwell done to show that he should keep the job? He doesn't even have his own playbook. Harp on Joe all you want but last I checked we're the first offense to finish with below 3.0 ypc on the season since 1994. That's a total offensive failure. By every measure this is the worst offense we've had in a very long time. Flacco, Rice, whatever, players need to make plays. But if you're telling me thag EVERYONE on offense just happened to regress majorly at the same time...I have a bridge to sell you.

I feel like some of you are actually afraid that we'll be successful with a change. Why else would there be such animosity at the mere suggestion?

Seriously? We all want success, that's being a fan. But when criticizing the guy you have to know the whole story. It isn't all on Caldwell. If we can get the right personnel or if he can adapt his playbook to what we end up having then I predict this offense will get back on track. 

[ratedr]

Seriously? We all want success, that's being a fan. But when criticizing the guy you have to know the whole story. It isn't all on Caldwell. If we can get the right personnel or if he can adapt his playbook to what we end up having then I predict this offense will get back on track.

You would think, but some people definitely take joy in the failures.

I think Caldwell is in over his head as an OC. That's just what I think.

[gabefergy]

You would think, but some people definitely take joy in the failures.

I think Caldwell is in over his head as an OC. That's just what I think.

I agree 100%. Caldwell did a few good things, but he is not a great offensive mind. Situational play calling was appalling at times.