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[The Raven]

If Shanahan comes here, expect RG3 as our backup

Rex Grossman III, that is

They have some kind of blood bond

 

Tell ya what, as a back up, I think that'd be aight.

 

What exactly are the pros and cons of Kyle? I understand he runs a west coast passing game and he runs the ball well. What are his weaknesses?

[rafahash]

Better be strictly so we can truly figure out just how much he doesn't know about offense.

 

Lol

[cursona pirate]

Lol

Great thoughtful post.

[Poes Crows]

He'd only be a bust cuz of Shanahans stupidness. Pops that is.

 

Baltimore would be best served to distance itself from any Shanahans.  The two coaches made mistakes and now the name is jinxed.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Most likely it's probably been said already, but again, my choice for OC is somebody who's capatible with Joe, yet strong enough to lead and take risk when necessary and commands enough player respect and support that they will themselves to do things never believed were possible...and succeed.

 

OC - Pursuit of a New Standard of Excellence.

[Poes Crows]

I think our system had two main problems:

1) Some missing components during its time with us. Ranging from a missing deep threat pre-Torrey to a power running game to a consistent possession guy or two who could keep the chains moving and bring the defence closer to the LoS (thus freeing up room for the deep guy to blow the top off said defence).

2) Lack of a good play caller. Cam was awful and Caldwell could have done better, though we'll never know his potential.

 

The idea is that the draft and FA will get us some guys to fix the first problem, while a better OC would theoretically solve the second.

 

Basically this offseason has the FO at a crossroads. They can stick with the Coryell system and try to upgrade it (and almost certainly go with Norv or Chudzinski) or blow the whole thing up and rebuild a new system around Flacco (Shanahan, Kubiak). Upgrading our Coryell would be the easier route, and have less growing pains, but bringing in a new guy has all kinds of risk and long-term potential.

 

I also think that we need to decide on our longer-term identity quickly. Not so much for hiring someone before they get snapped up (although that too), but so we can get more out of our unseasonably long offseason this year. We'll need to decide on who to target during the offseason and that'll have all kinds of chain reactions.

 

The other factor is that Oz is officially under scrutiny.  His job may depend upon making the playoffs next year.

[flynismo]

If Shanahan comes here, expect RG3 as our backup

Rex Grossman III, that is

They have some kind of blood bond

Lol!

And I would be okay with "RG3" as our backup

[FlocksGottaFeed]

OC - Kurt Warner

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Baltimore would be best served to distance itself from any Shanahans.  The two coaches made mistakes and now the name is jinxed.

 

Could ya be a little more specific?

[Bravens292]

The other factor is that Oz is officially under scrutiny.  His job may depend upon making the playoffs next year.

 

Ozzie isn't going anywhere. as long as they hire the right OC, this team is easily in the playoffs again.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I think our system had two main problems:

1) Some missing components during its time with us. Ranging from a missing deep threat pre-Torrey to a power running game to a consistent possession guy or two who could keep the chains moving and bring the defence closer to the LoS (thus freeing up room for the deep guy to blow the top off said defence).

2) Lack of a good play caller. Cam was awful and Caldwell could have done better, though we'll never know his potential.

 

The idea is that the draft and FA will get us some guys to fix the first problem, while a better OC would theoretically solve the second.

 

Basically this offseason has the FO at a crossroads. They can stick with the Coryell system and try to upgrade it (and almost certainly go with Norv or Chudzinski) or blow the whole thing up and rebuild a new system around Flacco (Shanahan, Kubiak). Upgrading our Coryell would be the easier route, and have less growing pains, but bringing in a new guy has all kinds of risk and long-term potential.

 

I also think that we need to decide on our longer-term identity quickly. Not so much for hiring someone before they get snapped up (although that too), but so we can get more out of our unseasonably long offseason this year. We'll need to decide on who to target during the offseason and that'll have all kinds of chain reactions.

Agreed. We need to act with some urgency and thatnew OC should have a big role and planning the draft.

 

My pick - Kirk Warner

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I don't take kyle shannahans time in Washington as a direct reflection of his ability as a coordinator. I think his dad had complete control of the offense and kyle was more or less a figure head.

I wouldn't be opposed to him, it's be intriguing at the very least.

[izvoodoo]

The other factor is that Oz is officially under scrutiny.  His job may depend upon making the playoffs next year.

I'm not sure if you'll listen to reason, but to fire someone as reputable as Ozzie would lose much as the front office and tarnish the entire reputations ability to attain executive talent at any level.  It's just a crazy thing to do.

[T3hRaven]

Tell ya what, as a back up, I think that'd be aight.

 

What exactly are the pros and cons of Kyle? I understand he runs a west coast passing game and he runs the ball well. What are his weaknesses?

 

I like him because of proven adaptability.  We ultimately won't know who was in charge in Houston or Washington, but he was a factor in very successful offenses in both passing and rushing.  I think this shows he can adapt to the personnel and play to our strengths.  But the adaptability is best demonstrated by the complete tailoring of the offensive system to RGINT last year.  He's young and he wants to distance himself from his father's name, which should mean he's hungry.  I think he has the most upside of our potential options.

 

The major con most people associate with him is he's related to Mike, but I think that's overblown.  Mike is unfairly demonized, he's not a bad coach.

[Tank 92]

The other factor is that Oz is officially under scrutiny.  His job may depend upon making the playoffs next year.

 

 

Now this.....this is funny.

[The Raven]

I like him because of proven adaptability.  We ultimately won't know who was in charge in Houston or Washington, but he was a factor in very successful offenses in both passing and rushing.  I think this shows he can adapt to the personnel and play to our strengths.  But the adaptability is best demonstrated by the complete tailoring of the offensive system to RGINT last year.  He's young and he wants to distance himself from his father's name, which should mean he's hungry.  I think he has the most upside of our potential options.

 

The major con most people associate with him is he's related to Mike, but I think that's overblown.  Mike is unfairly demonized, he's not a bad coach.

 

That's pretty much what I figured. I love his adaptability. I like the sound of him so far. 

[Tank 92]

I'm not sure if you'll listen to reason, but to fire someone as reputable as Ozzie would lose much as the front office and tarnish the entire reputations ability to attain executive talent at any level.  It's just a crazy thing to do.

 

 

lol  Steve would end up turning into a Howard Hughes.

 

Oz's successor is in place and I bet he is paid like a GM already, or he would be long gone.

[Tank 92]

The major con most people associate with him is he's related to Mike, but I think that's overblown.  Mike is unfairly demonized, he's not a bad coach.

 

 

I think it's because he looks so angry all of the time!  He seems like a hot headed laddie buck.

[gooftroop]

Not that it means much, but according to the owner of Jimmy's Seafood in baltimore, Gary Kubiak and his wife were in town tonight eating dinner there. Could just be a coincidence obviously, but it could also mean we have an interview planned. 

 

https://twitter.com/JohnnyCrabCakes/status/423307661682413568

 

 

(Fun fact: He said he saw Mike Martz at BWI tonight as well. lol)

Well, unless all coordinators and ex-coordinators love crabcakes, I think it all means something.

[T3hRaven]

I think it's because he looks so angry all of the time!  He seems like a hot headed laddie buck.

 

Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler looked like competent QBs under him, and he was a major factor in 3 Super Bowl victories.  You can criticize him for changing defensive coordinators way too much and being a little bit of a control freak, but the man does know what he's doing, especially on offense.

[FerrariFan87]

Got a message a little while ago that we interviewed Kyle Shanahan... umm, why??? Awful idea!

[The Raven]

Got a message a little while ago that we interviewed Kyle Shanahan... umm, why??? Awful idea!

 

Um, he's coached a few to five offenses, no big deal. His dad's not a great offensive coach, right?

[FerrariFan87]

Um, he's coached a few to five offenses, no big deal. His dad's not a great offensive coach, right?

All of the Shanahans need to leave the Delmarva area, pronto... it was a trainwreck down in DC. The Ravens need to stay far away from that.

[Bravens292]

Got a message a little while ago that we interviewed Kyle Shanahan... umm, why??? Awful idea!

 

Why not? Besides the RGKnee fiasco that was last year, he has had great success as an OC.

[The Raven]

All of the Shanahans need to leave the Delmarva area, pronto... it was a trainwreck down in DC. The Ravens need to stay far away from that.

 

For some reason I'm inclined to think the owner Dan Snyder was the issue, but okeedokee.

[Ravensfan23]

For some reason I'm inclined to think the owner Dan Snyder was the issue, but okeedokee.

Bingo. Much like the Orioles the problem with the Redskins starts at the top. RG3 runs that franchise now.

As for Kyle I think it'd be a really good choice. He is very creative as a play caller, known for getting too cute at times but very creative. He can sometimes get a little pass happy but overall has a nice balance to his play calls. I like him because his players say he has an answer to every defensive look so they aree never suck in a bad play, they just change out of that play at the LOS. If that sounds unfamilar yet exciting it's because us Ravens fans don't know what that's like lol.

I've spent the last couple days praising Kubiak for the job he's done with the Texans and mainly Schaub, but a closer look would suggest that Kyle had a lot to do with it. He was QB coach in 07 and OC from 08-09, in those 3 seasons Schuab never passed for less then 66% of his passes and had a career season with 4,700yds 29TDs, 8.4yds per attempt and 67% completion. This on top of the success he's had in Washington with above average talent imo, I think he'd be a strong OC for us.

He fits the ZBS as that helps, you'd have to change the Croyell system which I would love to do and you actually put Joe back in a system that allows him to truly do what he does best. Oh also guys like Doss, Thompson and Mellette would be used much more to their strenghts in his system instead of being asked to be sharp route runners. His system gets WRs open.

I would really like this move and get excited about it. There are also some NFC defensive coach who say he is very tough to gameplan against. He's player friendly(except RG3) so the players should really take to him and I hear he is detail oriented as a coach, sso our game plans should never seem like we don't know what we're doing.

[The Raven]

Bingo. Much like the Orioles the problem with the Redskins starts at the top. RG3 runs that franchise now.

As for Kyle I think it'd be a really good choice. He is very creative as a play caller, known for getting too cute at times but very creative. He can sometimes get a little pass happy but overall has a nice balance to his play calls. I like him because his players say he has an answer to every defensive look so they aree never suck in a bad play, they just change out of that play at the LOS. If that sounds unfamilar yet exciting it's been us Ravens fans don't know what that's like lol.

I've spent the last couple days praising Kubiak for the job he's done with the Texans and mainly Schaub, but a closer look would suggest that Kyle had a lot to do with it. He was QB coach in 07 and OC from 08-09, in those 3 seasons Schuab never passed for less then 66% of his passes and had a career season with 4,700yds 29TDs, 8.4yds per attempt and 67% completion. This on top of the success he's had in Washington with above average talent imo, I think he'd be a strong OC for us.

He fits the ZBS as that helps, you'd have to change the Croyell system which I would love to do and you actually put Joe back in a system that allows him to truly do what he does best. Oh also guys like Doss, Thompson and Mellette would be used much more to their strenghts in his system instead of being asked to be sharp route runners. His system gets WRs open.

I would really like this move and get excited about it. There are also some NFC defensive coach who say he is very tough to gameplan against. He's player friendly(except RG3) so the players should really take to him and I hear he is detail oriented as a coach, sso our game plans should never seem like we don't know what we're doing.

 

I don't like hearing that he likes to get cute or pass happy, but otherwise I'm in love with him as an OC. 

[Inqui]

I don't like hearing that he likes to get cute or pass happy, but otherwise I'm in love with him as an OC. 

Tbh, I could live with getting cute or too pass-happy every now and again - especially with how going the other way's been known to blow up in our faces just as badly at times. As long as the new guy 1) injects some creativity to the offence; 2) builds around Flacco, and to a lesser extent his receivers.

 

Provided he meets those two criteria, we could bring in the Norwegian Minister of the Economy for all I care.

[Ravensfan23]

I don't like hearing that he likes to get cute or pass happy, but otherwise I'm in love with him as an OC.

Me neither, I got that from a quote on ESPN from a DC in the NFC East. But I'd much rather have a guy who calls an unneccesary double screen then a guy who'll just call a flare route on 3rd and 9. Jmo.

Also guys like Sean Peyton has a habit of getting too cute and Pass happy as well, it's just a matter of perception and success. You figure if Joe was asked to pass 50 times in a game but complete 33(66%) 350yds and 3TDs with a win I don't think anyone would be complaining if we only had 15-20 rush attempts.

So while I don't like it, it's not a deal breaker for me.

[Inqui]

Me neither, I got that from a quote on ESPN from a DC in the NFC East. But I'd much rather have a guy who calls an unneccesary double screen then a guy who'll just call a flare route on 3rd and 9. Jmo.

Also guys like Sean Peyton has a habit of getting too cute and Pass happy as well, it's just a matter of perception and success. You figure if Joe was asked to pass 50 times in a game but complete 33(66%) 350yds and 3TDs with a win I don't think anyone would be complaining if we only had 15-20 rush attempts.

So while I don't like it, it's not a deal breaker for me.

That's my take. I didn't articulate it very well in my previous post, but doing the exact opposite's killed us just as much as would Kyle trying something flashy with the game on the line. Who knows, he might be the best answer to Pittsburgh's complex defensive schemes we get access to in a mighty long time.