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[Ravensfan23]

I'd rather get a younger OC like Kyle Shanahan quite honestly. Every team he's been the OC on regardless of how bad the team was has been in the top 12. Even the Redskins this season were a top offense despite being 3-13...they just have no Defense. Under him their run game was top notch and had a good passing offense despite having no WR's and O-Line...like us.

 

Much like the WR position in the draft this year, the Ravens have a great shot at coming away with a strong OC who can do wonders for our offense. The question is how serious are they about becoming a top notch offense? There are some guys out there that fit exactly what we should want to do on offense, even down to the ZBS and wouldn't have to make wholesale changes. The time is now to make the commitment to the offense and I feel if we promote within we're just staying the course and hoping a few minor tweaks can make use better.

[SecretAgentMan]

If we want to really be a good offensive team, we need to get rid of Cam Cameron's Playbook.

 

 

We need a Chudz, or someone who calls a different offensive gameplan

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Much like the WR position in the draft this year, the Ravens have a great shot at coming away with a strong OC who can do wonders for our offense. The question is how serious are they about becoming a top notch offense? There are some guys out there that fit exactly what we should want to do on offense, even down to the ZBS and wouldn't have to make wholesale changes. The time is now to make the commitment to the offense and I feel if we promote within we're just staying the course and hoping a few minor tweaks can make use better.

 

Agreed. Promoting from within on defense was fine because whoever was taking over would take over a great defense. Promoting from within on offense when we just fielded one of the worst offenses in the NFL just shows that we are content with mediocrity on that side of the ball. I hope they are serious about making changes. 

[The Raven]

 

If we want to really be a good offensive team, we need to get rid of Cam Cameron's Playbook.

 

 

We need a Chudz, or someone who calls a different offensive gameplan

 

 

I know it's the popular thing to blame the playbook, but the playbook really isn't the problem. It's the way the plays are called and the philosophy that's the problem. 

[gooftroop]

I definitely want someone who can make in-game adjustments, you have to be able to do that in the NFL. A lot of what I've heard about his lack of in-game adjustment has come from the fans and i'm always hesitant to put much stock into what us emotional fans feel about something when things are going bad. But if true I don't like that.

 

However I feel with everything comes good and bad. If we can get a offense that designs our guys to work in as much space as that Texans offense did, i'd be willing to live with the in game adjustment hiccup. Btw, Whenever the Ravens played the Texans I don't recall having a feeling that we had a handle on their offense because they didn't adjust, so I'm not sure how much of an issue it is.

 

But just look at this highlight video and look at all the space and creativity of that offense off the playaction. I just think with what the Ravens have been trying to do in recent years, ZBS running game, deep passing game, open things up for your QB and now you can add a strong play action game which Flacco is really good at, he makes a lot of sense as our next OC. Plus he's an aggressive play caller even when his team has a 14-17 point lead and Flacco has been asking for that the past 2-3 years. His entire playbook is built around the ZBS and it looks like we're keeping that with Castillo so I don't see why this wouldn't be a perfect match.

I agree with everything you said, and you can make the argument that Flacco and Schaub are similar in type. Joe's just a better qb, physically.

[gabefergy]

I know it's the popular thing to blame the playbook, but the playbook really isn't the problem. It's the way the plays are called and the philosophy that's the problem. 

Isn't the playbook a manifestation of the philosophy though? I think a lot of people just want us to have some fresh concepts.

[The Raven]

Isn't the playbook a manifestation of the philosophy though? I think a lot of people just want us to have some fresh concepts.

 

Not exactly. Plays are plays, and everybody runs basically the same plays. There are only so many different plays you can design. The difference, in my opinion, is found in situational play calling and the focus of the play calling. For example, slant plays and deep posts are found in both Coryell and West Coast play books. However, Coryell offenses are more inclined to call deep posts and seams on first, while West coast teams are more inclined to call the slants.

 

Playbooks are very very similar. Philosophies are different. 

[gabefergy]

Not exactly. Plays are plays, and everybody runs basically the same plays. There are only so many different plays you can design. The difference, in my opinion, is found in situational play calling and the focus of the play calling. For example, slant plays and deep posts are found in both Coryell and West Coast play books. However, Coryell offenses are more inclined to call deep posts and seams on first, while West coast teams are more inclined to call the slants.

 

Playbooks are very very similar. Philosophies are different. 

Well terminology is very different, but you are probably right that a 500 page playbook is going to have pretty much every play under the sun. Frequency of how they are used and in what situation is what matters.

[The Raven]

Well terminology is very different, but you are probably right that a 500 page playbook is going to have pretty much every play under the sun. Frequency of how they are used and in what situation is what matters.

 

Terminology is different for sure.

 

One thing I like about the Coryell is its simple terminology. 949 F flat. That simple. West Coast tends to be a bit disorganized and annoying. 

[gabefergy]

Terminology is different for sure.

 

One thing I like about the Coryell is its simple terminology. 949 F flat. That simple. West Coast tends to be a bit disorganized and annoying. 

haha yeah, west coast plays are longer than this sentence.

[Inqui]

haha yeah, west coast plays are longer than this sentence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W4DgU52KTE

 

Translation: "Jordy, go long!"

[T3hRaven]

haha yeah, west coast plays are longer than this sentence.

 

Nothing wrong with a little 11 11 3-6 trips right flip empty scat 3-22 stick buy in alert triple right flop empty scat 22 hut on 2.

[Ravensfan23]

I agree with everything you said, and you can make the argument that Flacco and Schaub are similar in type. Joe's just a better qb, physically.

 

I'll say this a lot of Schaub's problems came from him just making some boneheaded mistakes which we don't see from Flacco. Yes the guy will force some throws that he shouldn't but I'm talking about a guy in Schuab who throw off his back foot in his own endzone resulting in an game sealing pick 6, or a guy that tries to attempt a left handed pass with the game on the line. If Schuab can succeed in this offense Joe will thrive.

 

In this system Schuab has completed over 63% of his passes in 5 of his 7 seasons and it's not because he has razor sharp accuracy. It's because that offense creates so much space and even when working against zone WR either find a lot of open space or one on one matchups. I hate how many contested throws Joe has to make, we saw in 09-10 how accurate Joe was when he had guys who could get open. In Kubiak's system I think Joe could easily be a 65-66% type guy.

 

Then you look at Schuab's passing numbers for all those stats lovers. In every season Schuab played a full 16 games, he completed at least 64% of his passes, throw for at least 4,000yds and 23 TDs.

 

If i'm looking at building a team around a QB i just paid 120.6M to, I'm looking at these numbers and calling Kubiak in for an interview no doubt.

[gabefergy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W4DgU52KTE

 

Translation: "Jordy, go long!"

That play looked a lot like the one that they beat us on!

[Inqui]

I'll say this a lot of Schaub's problems came from him just making some boneheaded mistakes which we don't see from Flacco. Yes the guy will force some throws that he shouldn't but I'm talking about a guy in Schuab who throw off his back foot in his own endzone resulting in an game sealing pick 6, or a guy that tries to attempt a left handed pass with the game on the line. If Schuab can succeed in this offense Joe will thrive.

 

In this system Schuab has completed over 63% of his passes in 5 of his 7 seasons and it's not because he has razor sharp accuracy. It's because that offense creates so much space and even when working against zone WR either find a lot of open space or one on one matchups. I hate how many contested throws Joe has to make, we saw in 09-10 how accurate Joe was when he had guys who could get open. In Kubiak's system I think Joe could easily be a 65-66% type guy.

 

Then you look at Schuab's passing numbers for all those stats lovers. In every season Schuab played a full 16 games, he completed at least 64% of his passes, throw for at least 4,000yds and 23 TDs.

 

If i'm looking at building a team around a QB i just paid 120.6M to, I'm looking at these numbers and calling Kubiak in for an interview no doubt.

If he can make Schaub a Pro Bowler then you'd hope Flacco can become a universal top 10 guy (as well as showing just how important Pro Bowl stats are in someone's career).

 

Apparently the Dolphins are looking at Kubiak and Shanahan for their OC. Again, I think any right-minded OC would choose us but we have to move quickly.

[Inqui]

That play looked a lot like the one that they beat us on!

Haha, you can only call so many plays when you only have one guy to throw to.

[Ravensfan23]

Agreed. Promoting from within on defense was fine because whoever was taking over would take over a great defense. Promoting from within on offense when we just fielded one of the worst offenses in the NFL just shows that we are content with mediocrity on that side of the ball. I hope they are serious about making changes. 

 

Yea and the biggest thing working in to our advantage is we wouldn't have to change much. Yes the verbiage would be different, and the plays would be different but I don't think it'll be something way out of the norm for our guys.

 

The biggest thing about Kubiak is that he's a guy that fits exactly what we wanna do in the fact that he can improve both our run and pass game. Schuab has put up really strong numbers in seasons where he's started all 16 game and while putting up strong numbers, Foster has rushed for at least 1,200yds, 40ypc 10Tds 40recs 2 Rec Tds in 3 prior to getting hurt his year.

 

Also he's a former NFL QB. You talk about bringing in a guy that can work directly with Flacco and work to his strengths.

[Ravensfan23]

If he can make Schaub a Pro Bowler then you'd hope Flacco can become a universal top 10 guy (as well as showing just how important Pro Bowl stats are in someone's career).

 

Apparently the Dolphins are looking at Kubiak and Shanahan for their OC. Again, I think any right-minded OC would choose us but we have to move quickly.

 

Well the Ravens are known for keeping their intentions close to the vest, so I'm hoping the lack of available OC interest comes from not wanting to put Caldwell in a bad spot and not just because we're committed to promote within.

 

As for being willing to coach here, I'm sure they would be. Even though our offenses haven't been all that great, you probably know as a coach that Ozzie and Eric will supply you with enough quality players to have success, and you'll be apart of a perennial winner.

[Ravensfan23]

Looks like the Ravens are at least keep all door open right now. Even though Ben McAdoo agreed to terms with the NYG, reports say the Ravens put in a request to interview him. That's a good sign. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000313273/article/ben-mcadoo-hired-as-ny-giants-offensive-coordinator

 

Hopefully they have already contacted the agents of other OC candidates and informed them they just wanted to allow the Caldwell situation to play itself out.

[Inqui]

Looks like the Ravens are at least keep all door open right now. Even though Ben McAdoo agreed to terms with the NYG, reports say the Ravens put in a request to interview him. That's a good sign. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000313273/article/ben-mcadoo-hired-as-ny-giants-offensive-coordinator

 

Hopefully they have already contacted the agents of other OC candidates and informed them they just wanted to allow the Caldwell situation to play itself out.

That's really good. If we're going to that kind of effort to look at a guy outside the franchise, I can't see us going internally for an OC. That just wouldn't make sense imo.

 

I think the FO knows something needs to happen - whether our current system gets upgraded or we go for a new one - and this is the best year we're likely to have for making those changes happen. It's also encouraging in terms of their intent to upgrade Joe's weapons. If they want to change, it'll be easier to bring a rookie straight in and train them up while everyone adjusts to whatever we end up doing.

 

We can be a top 10 offence without doing anything drastic to the defence and it looks like the FO knows it.

[baltimorefan328]

What terrifies me is the Raven's track record of promoting from within, and Hostler has offensive coordination experience. The problem is, as Jamison Hensley says on ESPN, is when Hostler was the OC for San Fran they were last in yards, passing yards, and points per game. I really hope the Ravens dont settle for continuity just because its available. Someone with a fresh outlook and new ideas needs to come in here, not another guy who will keep everything basically the same except for a "wrinkle" here or there. It is definitely encouraging to see the Ravens are putting in a few requests to interviews guys, so hopefully they stick with that plan and dont settle for whats right in front of them, because whats right in front of them is not very good

[TXRavensFan]

What terrifies me is the Raven's track record of promoting from within, and Hostler has offensive coordination experience. The problem is, as Jamison Hensley says on ESPN, is when Hostler was the OC for San Fran they were last in yards, passing yards, and points per game. I really hope the Ravens dont settle for continuity just because its available. Someone with a fresh outlook and new ideas needs to come in here, not another guy who will keep everything basically the same except for a "wrinkle" here or there. It is definitely encouraging to see the Ravens are putting in a few requests to interviews guys, so hopefully they stick with that plan and dont settle for whats right in front of them, because whats right in front of them is not very good

My (hopeful) take is that the front office has been preparing for this since Caldwell's interviews were scheduled, and if they were going to promote from within, they would have already announced the replacement.

[gooftroop]

I'll say this a lot of Schaub's problems came from him just making some boneheaded mistakes which we don't see from Flacco. Yes the guy will force some throws that he shouldn't but I'm talking about a guy in Schuab who throw off his back foot in his own endzone resulting in an game sealing pick 6, or a guy that tries to attempt a left handed pass with the game on the line. If Schuab can succeed in this offense Joe will thrive.

 

In this system Schuab has completed over 63% of his passes in 5 of his 7 seasons and it's not because he has razor sharp accuracy. It's because that offense creates so much space and even when working against zone WR either find a lot of open space or one on one matchups. I hate how many contested throws Joe has to make, we saw in 09-10 how accurate Joe was when he had guys who could get open. In Kubiak's system I think Joe could easily be a 65-66% type guy.

 

Then you look at Schuab's passing numbers for all those stats lovers. In every season Schuab played a full 16 games, he completed at least 64% of his passes, throw for at least 4,000yds and 23 TDs.

 

If i'm looking at building a team around a QB i just paid 120.6M to, I'm looking at these numbers and calling Kubiak in for an interview no doubt.

Yup.

[TXRavensFan]

Yup.

He certainly makes a compelling case. I'm still hoping they interview someone from the Patriot's system. I really think Joe could excel in the E-P system, and the team as a whole seems to built for it. "Run to win, pass to score" sounds good to me.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Off topic but if teryl Austin goes with Caldwell and is a successful coordinator that has an aggressive scheme I'm going to be really upset we didn't promote him as our dc

[Bravens292]

My (hopeful) take is that the front office has been preparing for this since Caldwell's interviews were scheduled, and if they were going to promote from within, they would have already announced the replacement.

 

This. Also, I don't think they would request a interview from someone outside the organization only to go back to Hostler after he is taken. i expect them to keep looking. the more i think about it, I don't think it will be him.

[Ravenslifer]

What terrifies me is the Raven's track record of promoting from within, and Hostler has offensive coordination experience. The problem is, as Jamison Hensley says on ESPN, is when Hostler was the OC for San Fran they were last in yards, passing yards, and points per game. I really hope the Ravens dont settle for continuity just because its available. Someone with a fresh outlook and new ideas needs to come in here, not another guy who will keep everything basically the same except for a "wrinkle" here or there. It is definitely encouraging to see the Ravens are putting in a few requests to interviews guys, so hopefully they stick with that plan and dont settle for whats right in front of them, because whats right in front of them is not very good

 

True, it's hard to say, but there are a few things to keep in mind - while Pags had no DC experience, Pees was New England's DC for 4 years and had a pretty good defense there (not sure what's going on with this one), and two - Harbs had his guy in place in Cam Cameron, and if what we are led to believe is true, Harbs basically saved Cam's job on 2-3 occasions before Steve finally convinced him a change was needed.  So what I'm thinking/hoping is that guys like Steve and Eric have already discussed who would be potential OC replacements and looking outside - and remember Caldwell was originally someone from the outside.  The longer this goes on, the more I'm inclined to think the front office is looking around waiting to see who they have the opportunity to interview.

[RavensIQ13]

I want to see someone brought in or promoted from within, who will run a single back spread offense with the passing game being premised around the short pass, quick strikes, and creative passing plays out of the backfield  to fully exploit ray's talents. I want Ray Rice to become a dual threat RB again. I want our OC to have an attacking mentality. I don't want someone who will come in and have their playcalling dictated to them by what the defense does. I want a guy who will dictate what the defense does.

 

I want a guy who's willing to adapt the newest and latest trends into his offense and is willing to steal effective plays from other teams playbooks. I want an extremely competitive guy who believes his offense is the only way this team can win, period. Anything the defense gives him is a bonus. That's what we need.

[bauer77]

Not that it means much, but according to the owner of Jimmy's Seafood in baltimore, Gary Kubiak and his wife were in town tonight eating dinner there. Could just be a coincidence obviously, but it could also mean we have an interview planned. 

 

https://twitter.com/JohnnyCrabCakes/status/423307661682413568

 

 

(Fun fact: He said he saw Mike Martz at BWI tonight as well. lol)

[Bltravens]

Not that it means much, but according to the owner of Jimmy's Seafood in baltimore, Gary Kubiak and his wife were in town tonight eating dinner there. Could just be a coincidence obviously, but it could also mean we have an interview planned. 

 

https://twitter.com/JohnnyCrabCakes/status/423307661682413568

Would fit with the pure zone blocking direction we seem to be headed in.  With Castillo as the only Oline coach there is, we'll be doing zone blocking again.  At least Kubiak knows how to call plays that take advantage of zone blocking and will be able to show Castillo how it works.