Offensive System/Scheme for 2014

[5aiah]

The only time the AC has worked well for us was in the 2012 playoff run.

When we had a complete compliment of WRs & TEs and we had a stout O-line.

If you think you can count on having that year in/year out through injuries, and personnel changes due to free agency and the salary cap, then compare what happened to the Ravens with what happened to the Patriots this season when BOTH teams were decimated by injuries and loss of personnel.

 

The Ravens meandered their way though the year barely winning (and losing) most of their games before falling apart towards the end and falling just short.

The Patriots had a few bad games, but never had a bad stretch and STILL won their division and are now about to play the Broncos for the chance to go to the Super Bowl.

 

The reason? Because their system allows for greater flexibility and thus makes it easier for them to adjust.

Ours is the opposite, and in the SALARY CAP ERA, it should be obvious that greater flexibility and adaptability is a necessity.

1 We were hit harder by our injuries as we don't have the depth to make up for it like NE does. 

2. NE plays in a [crap]ty division that has been there's without a real fight a majority of the recent era. We play in the AFC North which usually sends two teams to the playoffs if not three(taking up both the wildcards).

3. They play in a weaker than usual AFC this year with a bunch of bad teams making the playoffs, its no surprise they made it to the AFC championship, but whoever makes it to the SB regardless is fodder for the NFC champion, mark my words. 

4. This is the key strength of the E-P system and it's hard to argue when the patriots run all over a team to get to the conference championship. The one caveat i have with the system is that is maybe a jack of all trades, master of none, type system. If we can run this system well with the right coaching then lets to it, but not one person, analyst,writer,or forum junkie has brought up a single weakness. That leads me to believe its overrated in its success as you can find a number of sites/writers saying its been responsible for the most championships in the past decade, but I find that misleading.

5. I'm very interested but cautious that we can pull this off(or want to) on offense. 

[SecretAgentMan]

Alright, who voted read-option?

Well who's the president of the "Mobile QB fan club"?

[The Raven]

1 We were hit harder by our injuries as we don't have the depth to make up for it like NE does. 

2. NE plays in a [profanity deleted]ty division that has been there's without a real fight a majority of the recent era. We play in the AFC North which usually sends two teams to the playoffs if not three(taking up both the wildcards).

3. They play in a weaker than usual AFC this year with a bunch of bad teams making the playoffs, its no surprise they made it to the AFC championship, but whoever makes it to the SB regardless is fodder for the NFC champion, mark my words. 

4. This is the key strength of the E-P system and it's hard to argue when the patriots run all over a team to get to the conference championship. The one caveat i have with the system is that is maybe a jack of all trades, master of none, type system. If we can run this system well with the right coaching then lets to it, but not one person, analyst,writer,or forum junkie has brought up a single weakness. That leads me to believe its overrated in its success as you can find a number of sites/writers saying its been responsible for the most championships in the past decade, but I find that misleading.

5. I'm very interested but cautious that we can pull this off(or want to) on offense. 

 

 

Well, that's the beauty of the EP system. The goal is a balanced, efficient, flexible, and time consuming offense. It doesn't necessarily have a weakness because it's sort of designed to be flexible and balanced. If one thing doesn't work, do another. 

[Militant X 1]

Some schemes put more pressure on the OL than others coughAirCoryellcough.

 

I like the idea of short passes replacing hand offs to the RB for us like in the WestCoast offense. Rice is losing burst, but he is still a good pass catcher. There is no need to waste his talents trying to run him up the middle, where he rarely finds space unless the OL plays well, if we can just as well throw a short pass.

Those kind of plays were still some of our best, even in our lackluster last season.

I do to but I don't think that Joe is really that accurate to be a 3-5 step drop back and quick pass release QB for the West Coast offense.

 

#Mili

[The Raven]

I do to but I don't think that Joe is really that accurate to be a 3-5 step drop back and quick pass release QB for the West Coast offense.

 

#Mili

 

I don't want to start a debate (lol) but I don't think Joe has been placed in a system that would allow him to truly display his accuracy. Yeah it's a weak spot, but I think it's better than the numbers indicate. 

[Bltravens]

2 votes read option scheme, LOL.

[TXRavensFan]

I do to but I don't think that Joe is really that accurate to be a 3-5 step drop back and quick pass release QB for the West Coast offense.

#Mili

It's hard to say. I think his completion % is where it is because we take so many low percentage shots downfield.

But, when you see him make an absolute pinpoint perfect throw like the one to Brown to win against the Vikings, it's not a stretch to think he'd be fine in a quick drop rhythm passing scheme.

[redravenfan]

I don't want to start a debate (lol) but I don't think Joe has been placed in a system that would allow him to truly display his accuracy. Yeah it's a weak spot, but I think it's better than the numbers indicate. 

no debate. I actually agree with this (i'm shocked too). Joe has not had any consistency with coaches or coordinators or systems and definitely not one to showcase his talents and its amazing as smart as Ozzie is it hasn't happened yet.

[redravenfan]

2 votes read option scheme, LOL.

lol Joe running around is just awkward. 

[5aiah]

It's hard to say. I think his completion % is where it is because we take so many low percentage shots downfield.

But, when you see him make an absolute pinpoint perfect throw like the one to Brown to win against the Vikings, it's not a stretch to think he'd be fine in a quick drop rhythm passing scheme.

Its not about completion percentage for me in terms of the rhythm and timing on short to intermediary routes. Its about watching the dude and i haven't seen him do well in that area. 

[5aiah]

Well, that's the beauty of the EP system. The goal is a balanced, efficient, flexible, and time consuming offense. It doesn't necessarily have a weakness because it's sort of designed to be flexible and balanced. If one thing doesn't work, do another. 

It doesn't have a weakness per se but it has cons I'm absolutely sure. No one will or can address them. The most popular one I've seen is the patriots and their offense was dominated by us with no Gronk. They have a massive amount of talent in their offensive line as well which no one seems to recognize, which costs money and resources. I'm just finding a lot of conflicting information on the system and it annoys me. I'm all for switching if it helps us evolve.  

[Tru11]

3-5 step dropback and quick release concepts rely heavily on the QB to read coverages and dissect them pre snap.

 

he need to know what the coverage will be and who is going to be open once the drop back is complete and thus have a quick release.

 

it spells dissater if the QB cant read defenses or the read isent there.

chances of sacks and turnovers increase alot with these concepts......

 

you also ofcourse need guys who  can run the routes how they are drawn up as well.

[Militant X 1]

I don't want to start a debate (lol) but I don't think Joe has been placed in a system that would allow him to truly display his accuracy. Yeah it's a weak spot, but I think it's better than the numbers indicate. 

 

 Well, this system or not; from what I've already seen from Joe on the short, quick slants and intermediate routes he hasn't been that accurate.  Hit and miss at best!  The West Coast offense is my all time favorite because of those quick timing passes and the QB's 3-5 and sometimes 7 steps drops and quickly releasing the ball. As of now, I don't think that Joe Flacco is that type of QB.

 

It's hard to say. I think his completion % is where it is because we take so many low percentage shots downfield.

But, when you see him make an absolute pinpoint perfect throw like the one to Brown to win against the Vikings, it's not a stretch to think he'd be fine in a quick drop rhythm passing scheme.

 

That pass to Brown was sweet but it doesn't mean that Joe has the proper mechanics to be a 3-5 or 7 step drop back QB that releases the ball quickly to me!  As of now, Joe is very disciplined and conditioned to hold the ball for a long period of time and his mentality is to stand in the pocket as long as he can before making the throw.  That's not West Coast style.  Can he do it?  We'd have to see!

 

Its not about completion percentage for me in terms of the rhythm and timing on short to intermediary routes. Its about watching the dude and i haven't seen him do well in that area. 

 

Me either.

 

#Mili

[TXRavensFan]

Well, this system or not; from what I've already seen from Joe on the short, quick slants and intermediate routes he hasn't been that accurate. Hit and miss at best! The West Coast offense is my all time favorite because of those quick timing passes and the QB's 3-5 and sometimes 7 steps drops and quickly releasing the ball. As of now, I don't think that Joe Flacco is that type of QB.

That pass to Brown was sweet but it doesn't mean that Joe has the proper mechanics to be a 3-5 or 7 step drop back QB that releases the ball quickly to me! As of now, Joe is very disciplined and conditioned to hold the ball for a long period of time and his mentality is to stand in the pocket as long as he can before making the throw. That's not West Coast style. Can he do it? We'd have to see!

Me either.

#Mili

I guess I'm not seeing the same thing necessarily. Let's face it, we can't make a factual assessment on how he would perform in that type of system because we've never actually seen him in that type of system. I'd say the closest was around the 2010 season, where short to intermediate timing passes were sort of the staple of the offense, and he did pretty well.

He very well might be out of place in that system, but I'm just not seeing anything to me that screams that he wouldn't have success in that type of scheme.

[TXRavensFan]

It's been pretty hard to get a pulse on what they want to do on offense going forward...Shanahan (WCO), Linehan (Coryell). Probably by design LOL. Be interesting to see who or if they interview at the Senior bowl.

[KeenansAnalysis]

A Balanced offense, draft Ebron in the 1st, more play action, more roll outs which worked well last year for us (i honestly like Flacco's footwork and awareness,  starting to remind of Bens pocket awareness), and get rid of castillo's scheme.